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 Jetlag
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Posted: 6/5/2012 2:11:27 PM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT — Police on May 24 charged a Virginia man with possessing hollow-point ammunition and having a handgun without a permit. The 36-year-old from Richmond allegedly had a .40 caliber Ruger when he was pulled over on Center Square Road. The man was processed and released on his own recognizance, pending a court date. http://www.nj.com/gloucester-county/index.ssf/2012/06/logan_township_crimelog_-_va_m.html So, they left most of the story out, but we know it was a .40 caliber Ruger. Oh boy. I guess by "having" they mean carrying, and by permit they mean carry permit. I wonder what he was pulled over for and how the gun came up. Interesting to see the hollow-point ban being applied. |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 3:34:32 PM
I guess it comes down to where he was going, how he was transporting his firearm, and how good his lawyer is.
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Posted: 6/5/2012 4:41:12 PM
This is the reason why you need to read up on the laws when bringing firearms from one state to another. Please know the laws before you travel
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Posted: 6/5/2012 6:23:41 PM
Originally Posted By Jetlag:
Perusing the local news feed when this story caught my eye: — Police on May 24 charged a Virginia man with possessing hollow-point ammunition and having a handgun without a permit. The 36-year-old from Richmond allegedly had a .40 caliber Ruger when he was pulled over on Center Square Road. The man was processed and released on his own recognizance, pending a court date. http://www.nj.com/gloucester-county/index.ssf/2012/06/logan_township_crimelog_-_va_m.html So, they left most of the story out, but we know it was a .40 caliber Ruger. Oh boy. I guess by "having" they mean carrying, and by permit they mean carry permit. I wonder what he was pulled over for and how the gun came up. Interesting to see the hollow-point ban being applied. I apologize for my ignorance, but what hollow point ban are you speaking of? I was under the impression hollowpoint ammo was legal in NJ except when used in the commission of a crime. Please correct me if I'm wrong. |
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Posted: 6/5/2012 7:25:06 PM
Originally Posted By Sig226GuyNJ:
I apologize for my ignorance, but what hollow point ban are you speaking of? I was under the impression hollowpoint ammo was legal in NJ except when used in the commission of a crime. Please correct me if I'm wrong. OK. 2C:39-3f makes general possession of hollowpoints illegal. Period. It's not an add-on charge, it's not only while in commission of another crime... it's a stand-alone charge, like any other 2C:39 offense. There are exceptions. You may possess in your home. You may purchase. You may transport from place of purchase to your home. You may transport from home to range, and from range to home. That's it. |
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njJoniGuy
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Posted: 6/6/2012 12:27:42 AM
And as currently stands in case law (the Brian Aitken appeals court ruling) you may not transport hollow points from one residence to another residence when you move.
New Jersey and totally fooked firearms laws ... PERFECT TOGETHER |
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Posted: 6/6/2012 1:21:49 AM
[Last Edit: 6/6/2012 1:22:44 AM by all4bao]
Originally Posted By Tom488:
Originally Posted By Sig226GuyNJ:
I apologize for my ignorance, but what hollow point ban are you speaking of? I was under the impression hollowpoint ammo was legal in NJ except when used in the commission of a crime. Please correct me if I'm wrong. OK. 2C:39-3f makes general possession of hollowpoints illegal. Period. It's not an add-on charge, it's not only while in commission of another crime... it's a stand-alone charge, like any other 2C:39 offense. There are exceptions. You may possess in your home. You may purchase. You may transport from place of purchase to your home. You may transport from home to range, and from range to home. That's it. |
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Posted: 6/6/2012 11:33:01 AM
Originally Posted By all4bao:
Originally Posted By Tom488:
Originally Posted By Sig226GuyNJ:
I apologize for my ignorance, but what hollow point ban are you speaking of? I was under the impression hollowpoint ammo was legal in NJ except when used in the commission of a crime. Please correct me if I'm wrong. OK. 2C:39-3f makes general possession of hollowpoints illegal. Period. It's not an add-on charge, it's not only while in commission of another crime... it's a stand-alone charge, like any other 2C:39 offense. There are exceptions. You may possess in your home. You may purchase. You may transport from place of purchase to your home. You may transport from home to range, and from range to home. That's it. Ok. I'm glad I'm not the only one confused by that post. |
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Posted: 6/6/2012 12:39:43 PM
Originally Posted By Sig226GuyNJ:
Ok. I'm glad I'm not the only one confused by that post. <sigh> Okay... try and follow the bouncing ball here, kids.... this really isn't that complicated: 2C:39-3f(1): Any person, other than a law enforcement officer or persons engaged in activities pursuant to subsection f. of N.J.S.2C:39-6, who knowingly has in his possession any hollow nose or dumdum bullet [...] is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree.
With me so far? Possess a hollow nose bullet, you're guilty of a 4th degree crime. As with most blanket NJ firearms laws, there are exceptions. The first exception is listed in the law itself... "engaged in activities pursuant to 2C:39-6f". Without posting the whole statute, that includes such activities as going to/from a registered rifle or pistol club, going to/from any target range, hunting or fishing, or going to/from a sponsored exhibition. Further exceptions are proscribed in 2C:39-3g: members of the armed forces, members of LE, possession of HP ammo in the home, transporting HP ammo from place of purchase to home. Clear as mud now? It's no different than our laws for handguns: possession of a handgun without a permit to carry is illegal. (2C:39-5b). But, that law against general possession is exempted by various circumstances proscribed in 2C:39-6e and -6f. So, let's try it this way, and maybe avoid some of the ... "Possession of HP ammo is legal in NJ if it is being transported home from a place of purchase, being transported to/from a target range or rifle/pistol club, or possessed in the home. All other possession of HP ammo is illegal".
Everybody all  now?
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Posted: 6/7/2012 8:30:02 PM
Does anyone who owns a handgun in NJ actually listen to their nonsense?
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VooDoo3dfx
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Posted: 6/10/2012 7:50:28 PM
Originally Posted By 3rdStreet:
This is the reason why you need to read up on the laws when bringing firearms from one state to another. Please know the laws before you travel +1 |
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heywatchthis
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Posted: 6/11/2012 9:37:20 PM
Originally Posted By 3rdStreet:
This is the reason why you need to read up on the laws when bringing firearms from one state to another. Please know the laws before you travel ESPECIALLY if you travel into one f'd up state like New Jersey |
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njJoniGuy
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Posted: 6/12/2012 7:14:18 AM
Originally Posted By heywatchthis:
Originally Posted By 3rdStreet:
This is the reason why you need to read up on the laws when bringing firearms from one state to another. Please know the laws before you travel ESPECIALLY if you travel into one f'd up state like New Jersey When in Rome, you'd better do like the Romans Or they'll feed you to the friggen lions
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Posted: 6/13/2012 4:28:34 PM
Originally Posted By njJoniGuy:
Originally Posted By heywatchthis:
Originally Posted By 3rdStreet:
This is the reason why you need to read up on the laws when bringing firearms from one state to another. Please know the laws before you travel ESPECIALLY if you travel into one f'd up state like New Jersey When in Rome, you'd better do like the Romans Or they'll feed you to the friggen lions
All I can say is like many others I know here in NJ that own guns, I will protect my family and myself and worry about the legalities later, I'm sure your heard the saying "rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6" |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 4:32:12 PM
(fyi)The last guy that was on this forum talking stuff like that is still in the clink.
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Ptlm724
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Posted: 6/14/2012 9:01:38 AM
[Last Edit: 6/14/2012 9:04:33 AM by Ptlm724]
Why would anyone from another state want to come here, let alone come here with a gun and prohibited ammunition? If I lived in Virginia and had to drive to Long Island, I'd drive through PA and go cometely around this toilet, even if it took me twice as long.
Theres more to this story I'm sure because it's no friggen secret how retarded the gun laws are in NJ. Seriously, can you think of any of your gun owning friends that live out of state that DON'T know how bad it is here? Why would you take the chance of coming into NJ with a pistol and prohibited ammunition? There are a handful of states that I would never travel through while armed before I checked into the laws of the land; NJ would absolutely be one of them if I didn't live here. I have to believe that the guy either knew he was F'ing up and just took the chance anyway or he just doesn't care what local and state laws say and carries everywhere. Right wrong or indifferent, it's the law here and it's completely irresponsible to travel with a gun in ignorance of the laws where you intend to travel. We can only hope as state residents that cases like this don't hurt our chances of reforming these laws; rather they somehow open the courts eyes to the ridiculousness of our laws. |
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dontalo
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Posted: 6/18/2012 10:43:53 AM
[Last Edit: 6/18/2012 1:02:05 PM by dontalo]
^^^ This.
I smell classic NJ under-reporting here. Key pieces of information are missing. |
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dontalo
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Posted: 6/18/2012 10:58:50 AM
[Last Edit: 6/18/2012 1:03:44 PM by dontalo]
Originally Posted By budasc:
<snip> All I can say is like many others I know here in NJ that own guns, I will protect my family and myself and worry about the legalities later, I'm sure your heard the saying "rather be judged convicted by 12 than carried by 6" Prison terms START at 7 years. You go to prison, your family loses their home, your kids lose the opportunity for college, etc., etc. Forget getting a firearm conviction expunged in NJ. So, you'll carry the criminal conviction for the rest of your life. Talk like that sounds hard-assed and cool. But in reality, all it means is that your balls are bigger than your brain. Please do not carry in NJ unless you have a permit. |
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Ptlm724
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Posted: 6/18/2012 8:53:04 PM
Originally Posted By dontalo:
Originally Posted By budasc:
<snip> All I can say is like many others I know here in NJ that own guns, I will protect my family and myself and worry about the legalities later, I'm sure your heard the saying "rather be judged convicted by 12 than carried by 6" Prison terms START at 7 years. You go to prison, your family loses their home, your kids lose the opportunity for college, etc., etc. Forget getting a firearm conviction expunged in NJ. So, you'll carry the criminal conviction for the rest of your life. Talk like that sounds hard-assed and cool. But in reality, all it means is that your balls are bigger than your brain. Please do not carry in NJ unless you have a permit. No better way to say it than that. People crack me up when they say stuff like "I'll do /insert hard ass remark here/ and deal with consequences later...". Or "if that ever happened to me, I would have...". Bottom line here is that your property, no matter how valuable you think it is, will never be worth the cost to your life and your families lives if you make the decision to use a firearm illegally in NJ. |
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Posted: 6/18/2012 9:09:15 PM
Originally Posted By njJoniGuy:
And as currently stands in case law (the Brian Aitken appeals court ruling) you may not transport hollow points from one residence to another residence when you move.
New Jersey and totally fooked firearms laws ... PERFECT TOGETHER Hmmm, take HP ammo from old house to range, do some shooting with some of it, then, drive to new residence with the rest of it. Letter of asinine law followed to a a T. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 5:31:44 PM
http://www.njsp.org/about/fire_hollow.html
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Posted: 6/22/2012 7:20:54 PM
Originally Posted By Ptlm724:
Originally Posted By dontalo:
Originally Posted By budasc:
<snip> All I can say is like many others I know here in NJ that own guns, I will protect my family and myself and worry about the legalities later, I'm sure your heard the saying "rather be judged convicted by 12 than carried by 6" Prison terms START at 7 years. You go to prison, your family loses their home, your kids lose the opportunity for college, etc., etc. Forget getting a firearm conviction expunged in NJ. So, you'll carry the criminal conviction for the rest of your life. Talk like that sounds hard-assed and cool. But in reality, all it means is that your balls are bigger than your brain. Please do not carry in NJ unless you have a permit. No better way to say it than that. People crack me up when they say stuff like "I'll do /insert hard ass remark here/ and deal with consequences later...". Or "if that ever happened to me, I would have...". Bottom line here is that your property, no matter how valuable you think it is, will never be worth the cost to your life and your families lives if you make the decision to use a firearm illegally in NJ. I mean absolutely no offense here with what I am about to say, because I agree for the most part. However, what if that "illegally" used firearm is what actually SAVES your life, or a loved one's?? |
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Lion_Dog
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Posted: 6/23/2012 10:44:22 PM
One would have to be foolish to state what they would do here in NJ. It goes to "mens rea" - stating it IN writing, of what you would do, clearly states intent and premeditation. I am no lawyer, but I would think that, in a public forum, one would never show their hand.
But that's me. |
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