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Posted: 11/18/2015 9:50:33 AM EDT
THE COMMISSIONER FOR FUCKING REFUGEES (Greece !)

All I was foing was sitting here minding my own buisnnes and now we have to give up my guns because of some refugees, Holy fuck I hope our eastern European members learn from this.  

And the UK is fucking pushing this crap as well, fucking freedom hating cunts (Not our members of course but a lot of EU crap in the weapons regulation was pushed by that smiling cunt of a Tony Blair).

Effectivly the poposal would mean semi autos would be regulated like your home country regulates full autos. For Holland that would mean your shit out of luck for the sportshooting/hunting part.

I actually was sceptical at first but it seems they really want to go there. I did not expect such a shitstorm but in Holland we deserve no better when I look at the mentality of my fellow shooters.

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-15-6110_en.htm

-Stricter rules to ban certain semi-automatic firearms, which will not, under any circumstance, be allowed to be held by private persons, even if they have been permanently deactivated;
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Tighter rules on the online acquisition of firearms, to avoid the acquisition of firearms, key parts or ammunition through the Internet;
-EU common rules on marking of firearms to improve the traceability of weapons;
-Better exchange of information between Member States, for example on any refusal of authorisation to own a firearm decided by another national authority, and obligation to interconnect national registers of weapons;
-Common criteria concerning alarm weapons (e.g. distress flares and starter pistols)in order to prevent their transformation into fully functioning firearms;
-Stricter conditions for the circulation of deactivated firearms;
-Stricter conditions for collectors to limit the risk of sale to criminals.




Link Posted: 11/18/2015 11:49:13 AM EDT
[#1]
Molon labe, motherfuckers.
Link Posted: 11/18/2015 1:30:48 PM EDT
[#2]
Link Posted: 11/18/2015 8:45:13 PM EDT
[#4]
Yes that petition is going around Dutch sites as well
Link Posted: 11/19/2015 1:13:17 AM EDT
[#5]
There's no way this can actually be true.  Seriously?!  After what just happened?  WTF?!  Let the citizens over there have guns to protect themselves people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 11/19/2015 8:08:17 AM EDT
[#6]
Welcome in the EU. Where every socialist dream can come true!

4 of my 6 rifles are Semi-rifles, so i am very pissed.
Signed the petition this morning.

It seems that every gunrelated webside in the EU exploded over night. Maybe.... just maybe a ERA (european rifle assosiation) will start to come together.
Link Posted: 11/19/2015 9:09:52 AM EDT
[#7]
Yep. Start emailing your EU representatives. Even the ones you think are against us. It probably won't sway them but at the very least they'll see we won't get in the cattle car without a fight.
Link Posted: 11/20/2015 3:08:53 PM EDT
[#8]
We don't have regulations like that in the U.S. (yet) but we have several individual States that have passed similar measures.

For example, Connecticutt passed a law requiring registration of semi-auto rifles.

State Police estimate the compliance rate, after one year, was around 5%. The other 95% would not comply.

Other States with strict guns laws, like California, New York, and Maryland, probably also have a very high number of gun owners who refuse to abide by regulations that they believe are not in their best interest.

I'm not advising you to break the law. But in the end, it's your choice. Do what you must do.
Link Posted: 11/20/2015 4:51:27 PM EDT
[#9]
Hell, I'd advise to break that law........in the words of Dicken's Beetle Bumble: "if this be the law, the law be a ass, a idiot".   Comply with it and you leave yourselves at the mercy of those that will and have harmed you.   Be you own judge, but only a fool presents himself as a 'soft' target.
Link Posted: 11/20/2015 6:54:16 PM EDT
[#10]
Why would this be the concern for the Commissioner of Refugees?
Link Posted: 11/21/2015 12:21:05 PM EDT
[#11]
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Because they know or fear that refugee wave will cause somekind confrontations between refugees and natives, I can´t imagine any other reason for that. People think that the fo time is yet to come.
Link Posted: 11/22/2015 7:01:05 PM EDT
[#12]
Just read the current draft.

Semi Autos Confiscation + Destruction unless you have a Cat A license (same as Full Auto)
 
Article 6

Member States shall take all appropriate steps to prohibit the acquisition and the possession of the firearms and ammunition classified in category A and to destroy those firearms and ammunition held in violation of this provison and seized.

ALL AIRSOFT WILL HAVE TO BE REGISTERED
Aslo registration for alarm weapons

In Category C, the following points are added:
‘5. Alarm and signal weapons, salute and acoustic weapons as well as replicas;


Replica defined as:
For the purposes of this Directive, ‘replica firearms’ shall mean objects that have the physical appearance of a firearm, but are manufactured in such a way that they cannot be converted to firing a shot or expelling a bullet or projectile by the action of a combustible propellant.
Link Posted: 11/23/2015 11:11:08 AM EDT
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Because they're are professional politicians who can switch from Social issues, to Energy, to Industry/Economics or even Defense.

They're spewing bullshit by the metric ton anyway ...
Link Posted: 11/23/2015 11:27:39 AM EDT
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Because they're are professional politicians who can switch from Social issues, to Energy, to Industry/Economics or even Defense.

They're spewing bullshit by the metric ton anyway ...
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Why would this be the concern for the Commissioner of Refugees?


Because they're are professional politicians who can switch from Social issues, to Energy, to Industry/Economics or even Defense.

They're spewing bullshit by the metric ton anyway ...


Also the politician sent to represent their county in the EU are usually the embodyment of the Peter's principle, they were rather incompentent in their home county and were therefore appointed to Brussels...

Btw the petition has reached 100.000 backers!
Link Posted: 11/23/2015 1:07:01 PM EDT
[#15]
Seems like the EU wants our opinion..

https://ec.europa.eu/transparency/regdoc/?fuseaction=feedback&docId=3085376

Just Do NOT copy & paste other comments! Write with your own words
Link Posted: 11/23/2015 7:00:47 PM EDT
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Seems like the EU wants our opinion..

https://ec.europa.eu/transparency/regdoc/?fuseaction=feedback&docId=3085376

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Thanks Fens. Need to be hit up hard
Link Posted: 11/24/2015 2:00:54 AM EDT
[#17]
Thx for the link. I think i have something so say...
Link Posted: 11/24/2015 7:06:49 AM EDT
[#18]
Interesting study published by FirearmsUnited.

http://www.armietiro.it/moduli/articoli/attachments/7/0/9/3/marini.pdf

Link Posted: 12/3/2015 1:57:22 PM EDT
[#19]
11They came out with new shit.
http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/european-agenda-security/legislative-documents/docs/20151202_communication_firearms_and_the_security_of_the_eu_en.pdf
In accordance with the proposal for the revision of the Firearms Directive adopted on 18 November 2015 (see footnote 28), the Commission will evaluate the modalities for a system to exchange information on the intra-EU movements of firearms taking into account relevant existing EU information systems and instruments. This system should ensure a link between inputting and receiving Member States to make internal transfers more secure and improve the traceability of weapons and ammunition.



Footnote 28 _ COM(2015) 750 final of 18.11.2015. Proposal for a Directive of the EP and of the Council amending Council Directive 91/477/EEC on control of the acquisition and possession of weapons.



In order to strengthen the traceability of movements of legal firearms within a Member State and across Member States, the Commission will explore the possibility to prohibit cash payments in the context of sales or acquisition of firearms and ammunition by individuals.



Tracing firearms used by criminals and terrorists

Tracing firearms is an essential part of investigating firearms-related offences and learning more about the channels for illicit firearms. It is also critical to successfully disrupting access to explosives and precursors for explosives. The possibility to trace ammunition, which is currently limited, would also be of assistance for investigations.



The review of the Firearms Directive proposed by the Commission foresees common rules on marking of firearms in order to improve the traceability of legally held or imported firearms.



Enhancing the exchange of ballistic information

Most firearms have their own unique identifying features and even if the firearm has not been left at the crime scene, key information can nevertheless be determined from the bullet, the nature of the wound (if any) and any residue that is left around it.



(Note: Arcquebus Solution - Partner of EU EFFECT study - dreams of mandatory ballistic fingerprint for all legal guns.)

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Who makes this bullshit up? These fucking bandits ain´t nothing but a bunch of useless tools. Those proposals has no impact on terrorism, public safety or whatsoever.
Link Posted: 12/3/2015 6:41:58 PM EDT
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Man they are really going full retard!

Link Posted: 12/6/2015 10:21:48 PM EDT
[#21]
I know they won't listen to reason, but most gun crimes are committed with illegal guns purchases in eastern/southern Europe. But I know this is more of a "gun free agenda" than a safety thing anyways. Best of luck to you all.
Link Posted: 12/7/2015 1:51:27 PM EDT
[#22]
The BS proposal was presented in committee in Brussels today with questions/comments from representatives.

While we won't see them getting an NRA membership anytime soon, the proposal was met with great skepticism and a number of reps confirmed the massive amount of letters and emails they got from their constituents.

The guy from the Commission, some scummy lying Frenchman (shame on my country), openly admitted that the focus was legally-owned firearms and not illicit firearms (which will be addressed through another directive/process).

Man I got a man-crush on the Finn rep who essentially told the commission to fuck off. No homo (or maybe just a little)

Anyway most reps said the proposal was unclear and vague, that they wondered why hunters and gun owners associations weren't represented, that the change should not create criminal out of thin air among.
Some of the reps wondered why there was no clear impact study for the proposed changes.

Some asked what the point was to ban deactivated firearms once they are... well... deactivated especially if there's a common and strong deactivation technical standard.

The commissioner at the end of the session seemed all pissed that they weren't buying his shit and gave us the typical lies you'd expect from an rabid anti-gunner: blah blah terrorists uses legal weapons (though I haven't seen their French firearms  permits and target shooting club memberships), blah blah "if you think that target shooters should be allowed to own semi-auto ARs/AKs, you have a problem", ...

The fight is only beginning and we'll have to educate our reps

The only other rabid antigunner was another Frenchman, a green (aka watermelons = green on the outside, red inside) rep.
Link Posted: 12/7/2015 5:24:19 PM EDT
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Youtube gun derp of the Commission and EP
Lots of EP are critical of the proposal
chairman refers to the large amount of public interest

cant embed for some reason

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJaKKQScel4&feature=youtu.be
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