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Posted: 1/2/2011 4:53:10 PM
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Are the wild pigs in Germany really radioactive (from eating mushrooms poisoned by the Chernobyl nuclear meltdown)? Discuss.


This is a good one, as me and a few hunting buddies are convinced that the average person has more radiation in them than the radiation levels set by them scientists.

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We are all terminally ill and have been since we drew our first breath at birth.

Having said that, on a privately owned hunt (not state forest), if you take a wild boar you can sell it on without having had it tested.... Even though the test is free and you are financially compensated if the test results prove that the levels of radiation present in the animal are to high.

Down to the greed of mankind.

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Posted: 1/4/2011 7:35:32 PM
Does the radiation only affect wild pigs, or are any other wild animals affected to the same extent?
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Posted: 1/5/2011 12:17:57 AM
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Does the radiation only affect wild pigs, or are any other wild animals affected to the same extent?


To be honest I'm NO expert.. I'd hazard a guess and say yes, I'll qualify that guesstimation with the following, as the wild pigs are the only hunt-able game that harvests its food by ploughing up the ground and any offal (Alles fresser) etc etc.

I know, what about Badgers???

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Posted: 1/5/2011 1:17:39 PM
I'm sure this dioxin scandal is worse than any radioactive wild pigs.
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Posted: 1/5/2011 2:04:23 PM
Just people being people, trying to save money and screw the consequences .

As per usuall the people responsible will have covered their arses and some poor sap will end up carrying the can .

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Posted: 1/5/2011 7:41:35 PM
Next random topic: what is your favorite way to prepare Pfifferlinge?
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Posted: 1/6/2011 1:41:07 AM
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Next random topic: what is your favorite way to prepare Pfifferlinge?


I don't, as I don't like them

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Posted: 3/5/2011 10:42:22 AM
Hello European friends. I guess I kinda belong in this hometown forum. (Unless you ask Sarkozy )
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Hello European friends. I guess I kinda belong in this hometown forum. (Unless you ask Sarkozy )


Welcome, yes you belong here.

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Posted: 4/13/2011 6:25:37 PM
Hey people, I'm sort of forming a thought for a thread, on postal shootings, the whys? the what happened? what was the reaction of the public/ press/ government, changes in laws, resulting in collective punishments ie. banning all firearms or the UK model. Was it down to the shooter just being born bad, or did their social environment hurt or harm them in such a way that they decided to hate them, and pay them back with such hate.

I always ask myself why they never put their first bullet between their own eyes, prior to leaving the house?

It maybe a way to collect information that may be of use in the future.

Please feel free to quote this and add a yes or no, it's your call.

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Posted: 4/13/2011 7:23:30 PM
Originally Posted By toemag:
Hey people, I'm sort of forming a thought for a thread, on postal shootings, the whys? the what happened? what was the reaction of the public/ press/ government, changes in laws, resulting in collective punishments ie. banning all firearms or the UK model. Was it down to the shooter just being born bad, or did their social environment hurt or harm them in such a way that they decided to hate them, and pay them back with such hate.

I always ask myself why they never put their first bullet between their own eyes, prior to leaving the house?

It maybe a way to collect information that may be of use in the future.

Please feel free to quote this and add a yes or no, it's your call.

Tony


I was thinking of such a thing myself, creating something like a Wiki.
With our recent Dutch shooting were hopefuly be 'lucky' (and I realy dont mean lucky in any sort of way) that the guy was commited into mental institution and that something went wrong with the communication after that. I also know that there will be a next time and that we have to educate our fellow shooters and public not to blame a single group of guns they happen not to enjoy (we have had them here already "no place in shooting sports for EBR's" etc)

There seems to be some scientific evidence of a link with certain anti psycotic drugs, a professor I have been in contact with describes it like this (in very short version):

Very depressed people in the past who wanted to end it all/do something terrible were mostly so completly disfunctional that they were unable to acually get up and do it, with the advent of (modern) medication a small percentage of these people have enough energy/drive to do something while the drugs have no effect on curbing their violent impulses (the medicines do not effect all people in predictible ways). I have to ad that I know nothing about medicine so my description maybe complely off.
Another factor might be the trend to treat mental patients in the community rather that the traditional mental institutions.


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Posted: 4/13/2011 9:45:26 PM
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Hey people, I'm sort of forming a thought for a thread, on postal shootings, the whys? the what happened? what was the reaction of the public/ press/ government, changes in laws, resulting in collective punishments ie. banning all firearms or the UK model. Was it down to the shooter just being born bad, or did their social environment hurt or harm them in such a way that they decided to hate them, and pay them back with such hate?


the nature vs. nurture debate will always continue
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Posted: 7/22/2011 10:47:50 AM
so Mike or Tony (or any other members in Bavaria or Austria)... have you ever explored any Erdställe? some of those seem they would be fascinating to crawl into and explore, as I always enjoyed spelunking as a kid growing up in the state with the most caves...
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Posted: 7/22/2011 11:45:48 AM
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so Mike or Tony (or any other members in Bavaria or Austria)... have you ever explored any Erdställe? some of those seem they would be fascinating to crawl into and explore, as I always enjoyed spelunking as a kid growing up in the state with the most caves...


I went potholing as a young soldier in the UK, it was great fun, sliding around underground in bat shit getting wet through, and seeing the world from another perspective . BUT they were organised expeditions where we had a guide and all the correct equipment, ropes etc, and people knew we were down there and when we were due out. Today off my own bat, doing something on my own would be above the normal risk level that I'm prepared to take.

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Posted: 7/28/2011 4:36:01 PM
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so Mike or Tony (or any other members in Bavaria or Austria)... have you ever explored any Erdställe? some of those seem they would be fascinating to crawl into and explore, as I always enjoyed spelunking as a kid growing up in the state with the most caves...


I went potholing as a young soldier in the UK, it was great fun, sliding around underground in bat shit getting wet through, and seeing the world from another perspective . BUT they were organised expeditions where we had a guide and all the correct equipment, ropes etc, and people knew we were down there and when we were due out. Today off my own bat, doing something on my own would be above the normal risk level that I'm prepared to take.

Tony


any chance some of those underground tunnel networks were related to weapons caches (possibly similar to Heinz Lembke's "massive connected arsenal of 33 underground arms caches", purportedly related to Operation Gladio)? as a boy, I remember my Greek cousin telling me of huge caches of left-over WWII weapons bunkered in the mountains of Greece...
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Posted: 7/28/2011 6:02:09 PM
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so Mike or Tony (or any other members in Bavaria or Austria)... have you ever explored any Erdställe? some of those seem they would be fascinating to crawl into and explore, as I always enjoyed spelunking as a kid growing up in the state with the most caves...


I went potholing as a young soldier in the UK, it was great fun, sliding around underground in bat shit getting wet through, and seeing the world from another perspective . BUT they were organised expeditions where we had a guide and all the correct equipment, ropes etc, and people knew we were down there and when we were due out. Today off my own bat, doing something on my own would be above the normal risk level that I'm prepared to take.

Tony


any chance some of those underground tunnel networks were related to weapons caches (possibly similar to Heinz Lembke's "massive connected arsenal of 33 underground arms caches", purportedly related to Operation Gladio)? as a boy, I remember my Greek cousin telling me of huge caches of left-over WWII weapons bunkered in the mountains of Greece...


I'd sort of knew there was a method to your madness.

The base in Lowersaxony where I served as a soldier had loads of catacombs underneath it as it was a Waffen SS and Fallschirmjäger Kaserne back in and prior to WW2. There were all sorts of rumours in the different Squadron bars as to what was still down there, but it had all been sealed off before we got there .

I remember the Stadtwerke Hildesheim flushing the drains and all this K98 ammo was being forced out of the grids . that was in the mid 80's.

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Posted: 7/28/2011 9:27:40 PM
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I remember the Stadtwerke Hildesheim flushing the drains and all this K98 ammo was being forced out of the grids . that was in the mid 80's.


You may (or may not) be surprised, Tony, at all the things still lying in the Hürtgenwald left over from WWII; one does not have to dig at all to still find field batteries and cables and communication lines, artillery shells, en bloc M1 Garand clips with .30-06 cartridges still intact, ink bottles, boots, gas masks, and many other articles, all in various states of condition from very corroded to surprisingly unscathed. And knowing how the fighting progressed and the lines shifted back and forth ((and the difference between how the U.S. Army and the Wehrmacht soldiers dug their respective foxholes), one can still to this day see where the trenches and foxholes and other emplacements were dug, as they have only now slowly filled in over the decades.
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Posted: 7/29/2011 1:51:22 AM
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I remember the Stadtwerke Hildesheim flushing the drains and all this K98 ammo was being forced out of the grids . that was in the mid 80's.


You may (or may not) be surprised, Tony, at all the things still lying in the Hürtgenwald left over from WWII; one does not have to dig at all to still find field batteries and cables and communication lines, artillery shells, en bloc M1 Garand clips with .30-06 cartridges still intact, ink bottles, boots, gas masks, and many other articles, all in various states of condition from very corroded to surprisingly unscathed. And knowing how the fighting progressed and the lines shifted back and forth ((and the difference between how the U.S. Army and the Wehrmacht soldiers dug their respective foxholes), one can still to this day see where the trenches and foxholes and other emplacements were dug, as they have only now slowly filled in over the decades.


On the edge of the Hofoldinger forest where I hunt, there was an airfield with a couple of AAC battery positions and there are people with metal detectors running around there on a regular basis . Not to long ago there was runours of some bank robbers who had robbed a bank and supposedly buried their haul somewhere on the German Austrian border and that caused a lot of people to get out there and search for that

What bothers me the most is that these only looking for WW2 artefacts people will find a Celt Burial site or village and as its not what they where looking for they do more damage to it and move on.

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There are many grave robbers around that dig for the old celtic settlements in this area....

My house is on the old Messerschmitt premises, we have a forest adjacent and once in a while people find WW2 stuff there. There used to be several bunkers also, but I think they all were filled up with soil and concrete after the war.

I think there is still alot of stuff in the mountain lakes, like Walchensee. A friend of mine, diver on the FD here in Munich, found a .30M1 carbine in a lake close to Salzburg. He found way more than that, but left it underwater since he is not an EOD guy. The rifle is mine now...




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Posted: 7/29/2011 10:08:53 AM
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I think there is still alot of stuff in the mountain lakes, like Walchensee. A friend of mine, diver on the FD here in Munich, found a .30M1 carbine in a lake close to Salzburg. He found way more than that, but left it underwater since he is not an EOD guy. The rifle is mine now...



nice!
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Posted: 7/29/2011 4:17:15 PM
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I think there is still alot of stuff in the mountain lakes, like Walchensee. A friend of mine, diver on the FD here in Munich, found a .30M1 carbine in a lake close to Salzburg. He found way more than that, but left it underwater since he is not an EOD guy. The rifle is mine now...

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nice!


Clean socks and the carpets cool to .

Only kidding, nice rifle, even had it in my hands while I was visiting you.

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Posted: 7/29/2011 7:12:13 PM
I used to explore the old WWII fortifications with my grandfather when I was very young, grew up quite close to the sea and the coast was very wel fortified.

No guns to be found as they have all been cleared out but I did find a belt of spent 7.62 while out exploring with my grandfather, in retrospect of course the find is a bit suspicious as one might ask how and why the Germans assembeled a belt of spent 7.62 NATO casings and my grandfather must have been some Indiana Jones type to know exactly where to dig. Anyway it was really exiting to a young kid.

The bunker complexes near me weare featured in a comedy skit for a Dutch TV show, my old house as about a 15min walk from there Its a satire of a religious show where a guy would talk in a new age an patronising way to kids This skit is funny to us Dutch hope nobody takes offence.
Location on Google Earth : 52°07'29.21" N 4°18'00.48" O

The comedy group also do a good English sport and Australian Sport and The German Office (it make no sense, a bit like the killer joke)
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Posted: 7/29/2011 10:02:40 PM
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Location on Google Earth : 52°07'29.21" N 4°18'00.48" O


so Boomerang Beach on Strandweg in Scheveningen (near The Hague)?
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Yes the the beach part is called Scheveningen and is part of the city of the Hague (Den Haag in Dutch). The bunker complex is just slightly to the north of the Boomerang Beach/Whoosah resteraunt, look for at the beginning of the dunes (some bunkers are moddeled in 3d)
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