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Posted: 11/30/2014 10:35:52 PM EDT
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I'd react by wanting to see the video.
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Posted: 11/30/2014 10:50:35 PM EDT
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That was suggested! ;)
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Posted: 11/30/2014 10:55:29 PM EDT
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ASP are typically the most professional of LEOs around. IF it was a state LEO, and the story happened as claimed, it was probably a Parole and Probation officer or Prison guard. Some of them like to claim to be ASP. As far as the one idiot in the FB thread claiming that an LEO must ID himself before acting, well, he's an idiot.
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Posted: 11/30/2014 11:17:26 PM EDT
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As far as the one idiot in the FB thread claiming that an LEO must ID himself before acting, well, he's an idiot. Which goes back to my original question. Some guy in civilian clothes twists my arm, and I'm armed and makes some LEO claim without any identifying markings. Is it real or memorex? |
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Posted: 11/30/2014 11:18:56 PM EDT
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Which goes back to my original question. Some guy in civilian clothes twists my arm, and I'm armed and makes some LEO claim without any identifying markings. Is it real or memorex? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As far as the one idiot in the FB thread claiming that an LEO must ID himself before acting, well, he's an idiot. Which goes back to my original question. Some guy in civilian clothes twists my arm, and I'm armed and makes some LEO claim without any identifying markings. Is it real or memorex? He wouldn't have had the time to make the claim before I broke him in various ways. And the camera would have proven my self defense claim. |
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Posted: 11/30/2014 11:30:30 PM EDT
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He wouldn't have had the time to make the claim before I broke him in various ways. And the camera would have proven my self defense claim. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As far as the one idiot in the FB thread claiming that an LEO must ID himself before acting, well, he's an idiot. Which goes back to my original question. Some guy in civilian clothes twists my arm, and I'm armed and makes some LEO claim without any identifying markings. Is it real or memorex? He wouldn't have had the time to make the claim before I broke him in various ways. And the camera would have proven my self defense claim. So why did you go off on a tangent? Did you fall of a horse of something? lol 
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Posted: 11/30/2014 11:39:05 PM EDT
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ASP are typically the most professional of LEOs around. IF it was a state LEO, and the story happened as claimed, it was probably a Parole and Probation officer or Prison guard. Some of them like to claim to be ASP. As far as the one idiot in the FB thread claiming that an LEO must ID himself before acting, well, he's an idiot. I will tell you I deal with police everyday in my job and this could not be further from my experience. ASP believe they are the best, and they are trained on a wider variety than most locals. The problem is that means less training on each topic. My first guess would be that this was a ASP. And I will tell you most local police can't stand ASP. Which would explain the reaction. When locals got there. |
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Posted: 11/30/2014 11:39:20 PM EDT
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So why did you go off on a tangent? Did you fall of a horse of something? lol Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As far as the one idiot in the FB thread claiming that an LEO must ID himself before acting, well, he's an idiot. Which goes back to my original question. Some guy in civilian clothes twists my arm, and I'm armed and makes some LEO claim without any identifying markings. Is it real or memorex? He wouldn't have had the time to make the claim before I broke him in various ways. And the camera would have proven my self defense claim. So why did you go off on a tangent? Did you fall of a horse of something? lol My head isn't what I hit. 
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Posted: 11/30/2014 11:40:53 PM EDT
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I will tell you I deal with police everyday in my job and this could not be further from my experience. ASP believe they are the best, and they are trained on a wider variety than most locals. The problem is that means less training on each topic. My first guess would be that this was a ASP. And I will tell you most local police can't stand ASP. Which would explain the reaction. When locals got there. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ASP are typically the most professional of LEOs around. IF it was a state LEO, and the story happened as claimed, it was probably a Parole and Probation officer or Prison guard. Some of them like to claim to be ASP. As far as the one idiot in the FB thread claiming that an LEO must ID himself before acting, well, he's an idiot. I will tell you I deal with police everyday in my job and this could not be further from my experience. ASP believe they are the best, and they are trained on a wider variety than most locals. The problem is that means less training on each topic. My first guess would be that this was a ASP. And I will tell you most local police can't stand ASP. Which would explain the reaction. When locals got there. The other agencies we deal with at my job can't keep LEOs long enough to train them well at all. But yeah, a rivalry absolutely exists. |
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Posted: 11/30/2014 11:46:23 PM EDT
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The other agencies we deal with at my job can't keep LEOs long enough to train them well at all. But yeah, a rivalry absolutely exists. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ASP are typically the most professional of LEOs around. IF it was a state LEO, and the story happened as claimed, it was probably a Parole and Probation officer or Prison guard. Some of them like to claim to be ASP. As far as the one idiot in the FB thread claiming that an LEO must ID himself before acting, well, he's an idiot. I will tell you I deal with police everyday in my job and this could not be further from my experience. ASP believe they are the best, and they are trained on a wider variety than most locals. The problem is that means less training on each topic. My first guess would be that this was a ASP. And I will tell you most local police can't stand ASP. Which would explain the reaction. When locals got there. The other agencies we deal with at my job can't keep LEOs long enough to train them well at all. But yeah, a rivalry absolutely exists. Fayetteville does a good job keeping people so with little turn over it fuels the rivalry. I understand the ASP pay and benefits May be better but surprisingly most locals I know have no interest. And of course just like any other profession there are good and bad cops. Don't mean to profile lol. |
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Posted: 12/1/2014 2:31:08 AM EDT
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I've had four interactions with ASP
One went great The next was meh The third was egregious. This particular ASP hobbit troll is well known not only in the civilian world and local LE agencies as a jerk, he is also well known among his fellow ASP as a total douchebag. Some of you may remember that interaction from fb. The fourth was in relation to the third... And it didn't go well either. Turns out ASP don't like to be addressed by the people they serve... Especially when they are out at lunch in uniform. One said that public "isn't court" and I should leave them alone. You don't like interacting with the public? Get another job. So the story in the OP doesn't surprise me. They don't seem to police their ranks like they protect the shit out of us. /rant |
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Posted: 12/1/2014 4:18:29 PM EDT
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I've had four interactions with ASP One went great The next was meh The third was egregious. This particular ASP hobbit troll is well known not only in the civilian world and local LE agencies as a jerk, he is also well known among his fellow ASP as a total douchebag. Some of you may remember that interaction from fb. The fourth was in relation to the third... And it didn't go well either. Turns out ASP don't like to be addressed by the people they serve... Especially when they are out at lunch in uniform. One said that public "isn't court" and I should leave them alone. You don't like interacting with the public? Get another job. So the story in the OP doesn't surprise me. They don't seem to police their ranks like they protect the shit out of us. /rant All of my interactions with ASP have been uneventful, but I can see that they walk as they want. |
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Posted: 12/1/2014 10:20:44 PM EDT
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He wouldn't have had the time to make the claim before I broke him in various ways. And the camera would have proven my self defense claim. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As far as the one idiot in the FB thread claiming that an LEO must ID himself before acting, well, he's an idiot. Which goes back to my original question. Some guy in civilian clothes twists my arm, and I'm armed and makes some LEO claim without any identifying markings. Is it real or memorex? He wouldn't have had the time to make the claim before I broke him in various ways. And the camera would have proven my self defense claim. Vertical video for extra credit. |
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Posted: 12/4/2014 2:01:08 AM EDT
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And we're off.................................................
OP posted an update today. Looks like this officer has upped the anti. Same officer, on duty this time, not his AO, approaches same individual in Walmart. I was in Walmart today to talk to asset protection, and officer Ziegenhorn confronted me again. This time he was in uniform. He asked me if I was carrying and I said No, because I was not carrying at the time. He asked for my identification and I told him that I did not have to give him my identification and that I was going to call 911. Then I was PUT IN HANDCUFFS and taken outside and my CHCL was confiscated. After several minutes, I was free to go, and went back inside to talk to asset protection. I talked for a few minutes with Sara (who was awesome, by the way) and she confirmed Walmart policy and said I was allowed to carry in the store. I've already filed another police report for this incident. The lawyer I was going to talk to can't see me until next week, so If any of you lawyers would be so kind as to contact me and give a little guidance, that would be much appreciated. |
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Posted: 12/4/2014 10:27:50 AM EDT
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And we're off................................................. OP posted an update today. Looks like this officer has upped the anti. Same officer, on duty this time, not his AO, approaches same individual in Walmart. Quote HistoryQuoted:
And we're off................................................. OP posted an update today. Looks like this officer has upped the anti. Same officer, on duty this time, not his AO, approaches same individual in Walmart. I was in Walmart today to talk to asset protection, and officer Ziegenhorn confronted me again. This time he was in uniform. He asked me if I was carrying and I said No, because I was not carrying at the time. He asked for my identification and I told him that I did not have to give him my identification and that I was going to call 911. Then I was PUT IN HANDCUFFS and taken outside and my CHCL was confiscated. After several minutes, I was free to go, and went back inside to talk to asset protection. I talked for a few minutes with Sara (who was awesome, by the way) and she confirmed Walmart policy and said I was allowed to carry in the store. I've already filed another police report for this incident. The lawyer I was going to talk to can't see me until next week, so If any of you lawyers would be so kind as to contact me and give a little guidance, that would be much appreciated. 20 bucks says this guy will be the ASP head by the end of next year. 
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Posted: 12/9/2014 12:26:11 AM EDT
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I haven't had enough interactions with ASP or SPD to say anything positive or negative about either. If the story is true, sounds like an over-zealous (if well-meaning) state peace officer has gone above and beyond, but in the wrong direction.
Sadly, I doubt that the reports filed will have any real effect, and the lawsuit will cost more than it is worth in the end. I wish such matters would be handled by docking the offending officer a week's pay and awarding it to the aggrieved, but unfortunately it is pretty much always the law-abiding citizens (and/or taxpayers) who bear the brunt of the payout. |
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Posted: 12/13/2014 9:49:16 PM EDT
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I have very little regard for ASP in general. There is one that works/worked in the LR area that was the personification of professional police officer during my interaction with her. Her name is Cpl Chapman and if the situation ever arises, I will be an armed and mediocre ally for her. The other members of ASP can, at best, expect me to be an indifferent bystander.
An ASP trooper named Cpl Baxter works the LR area and is a bully and a liar. ETA: I did see an ASP trooper helping a woman with a flat tire on I 40 just east of Conway a few weeks ago. It caught my attention because I had so low regard for ASP and this event caused me to add an addendum to my general hatred for that agency. So far, for the last 22 years or so, my experiences with NLRPD have been positive. There was one minor exception and his supervisor set him straight, so no harm, no foul. It may change tomorrow, but as of now I am proud of NLRPD. |
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Posted: 1/21/2015 7:08:20 PM EDT
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For an update:
This guy was arrested in Searcy on Sat from a warrant issued from ASP. Stemming from the incident in Walmart. For those of you who don't already know, Searcy PD came to my house Saturday morning with a warrant for my arrest for "Obstructing Governmental Operations" (5-54-102). I found out today that the same State Trooper filed the affidavit for the incident that happened on Nov 29. Spent a few hours in jail and I'm out on bail. Court is March 5. This cop, if you can even call him one, and those involved really need to go to jail. |
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Posted: 1/21/2015 7:12:15 PM EDT
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The full story will be really interesting I bet.
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Posted: 1/21/2015 7:17:07 PM EDT
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The full story will be really interesting I bet. I keep wondering if there's more to the story or is this cop really that stupid. |
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Posted: 1/21/2015 7:43:03 PM EDT
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I keep wondering if there's more to the story or is this cop really that stupid. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The full story will be really interesting I bet. I keep wondering if there's more to the story or is this cop really that stupid. Probably both. |
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