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Posted: 7/15/2014 2:20:49 PM EDT
Had my first cop encounter while carrying a gun today. Working from home, called popo about some drunken vagrants in the neighborhood.  Later, a cop rings my doorbell, I answer, he says "Hi, are you sdailey5?" I said, "Yes and I have a license and a gun on me." He just said "ok" and went on to inquire about the bums.

It was everything I could have hope for (with the exception of being legally obligated to notify).
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Had my first cop encounter while carrying a gun today. Working from home, called popo about some drunken vagrants in the neighborhood.  Later, a cop rings my doorbell, I answer, he says "Hi, are you sdailey5?" I said, "Yes and I have a license and a gun on me." He just said "ok" and went on to inquire about the bums.

It was everything I could have hope for (with the exception of being legally obligated to notify).
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I think if I am on my own property you don't need to say squat.   I would of course tell him just to know he's safe with me.  But that's a courtesy not out of a requirement.    Also due to Act 746 I think the whole notifying thing is sort of out there now.   Since you can carry without a license now and the Weapons statutes do not say anything about notifying.  Only the CCW statues mention it.  Oh and the CCW statutes only say "Upon demand by law enforcement" anyway.


As was reported on Facebook I was part of a group carrying in NLR on Saturday night.   A customer in the restaurant we were eating called 911 because of all the icky guns.  NLR PD showed up(because they were called), asked a few questions and then left.  No issues at all.
Link Posted: 7/15/2014 3:35:02 PM EDT
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Interesting.  Guess I need to go read the law again.
Link Posted: 7/15/2014 3:50:41 PM EDT
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Just remember the CCW statutes were written before Act 746 changed things.   Due to Act 746 some things in the CCW statutes should probably be considered null and void or not applicable.   There are still some advantages to having a  CCW however.   Basically we're now in a transition period.   I will say that if you ask LRPD they will tell you they cannot detain or arrest anyone simply for Open Carrying.  It's becoming more and more common place now to see people carrying....openly.   Of course where you work is a No Go.  ;)
Link Posted: 7/21/2014 2:26:29 PM EDT
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Do us a favor and let the Officer know your armed. Is it required, in most circumstances, no. But it lets him know as a person, who often encounters dangerous and deadly situations, that you are a one of the "good guys"
Link Posted: 7/21/2014 3:09:13 PM EDT
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I always notify. I've found that 9/10 times it actually lowers the roadside tension rather than raises it.
Link Posted: 7/21/2014 7:12:10 PM EDT
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Personally, I'll always notify just because of what you said.  I also don't want any surprises in the event that it would somehow becomes known that I am armed.  I think offering up the info is the best way to go, I just don't like that some states tell you that you HAVE to.
Link Posted: 8/7/2014 4:54:46 AM EDT
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Found this and thought I'd throw it out there since it came up in the discussion.  This appears to be a "Rule" and not a "Law".  ASP website has two separate documents--one for rules and one for laws.


https://static.ark.org/eeuploads/asp/CHCL_Rules_revised_November_2013.pdf

Excerpt from Rule 3.2:

Rule 3.2 Contact with law enforcement
(a) While in possession of a concealed handgun, the licensee shall present the original
license for inspection, along with an official form of photo identification, upon request
for identification by any law enforcement officer.
(b) In any official contact with law enforcement, if the licensee IS in possession of a
handgun, when the officer asks the licensee for identification (driver’s license, or
personal information, such as name and date of birth), the licensee shall notify the
officer that he or she holds a concealed handgun carry license and that he or she has a
handgun in his or her possession.
Link Posted: 8/7/2014 5:04:56 AM EDT
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Found this and thought I'd throw it out there since it came up in the discussion.  This appears to be a "Rule" and not a "Law".  ASP website has two separate documents--one for rules and one for laws.


https://static.ark.org/eeuploads/asp/CHCL_Rules_revised_November_2013.pdf

Excerpt from Rule 3.2:

Rule 3.2 Contact with law enforcement
(a) While in possession of a concealed handgun, the licensee shall present the original
license for inspection, along with an official form of photo identification, upon request
for identification by any law enforcement officer.
(b) In any official contact with law enforcement, if the licensee IS in possession of a
handgun, when the officer asks the licensee for identification (driver’s license, or
personal information, such as name and date of birth), the licensee shall notify the
officer that he or she holds a concealed handgun carry license and that he or she has a
handgun in his or her possession.
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Now you're catching on.   Their(ASP) rules says it's required however the Statute does not say that.   The ASP rules is what all the CCL instructors teach not so much the statutes that actually affect us.
Link Posted: 8/7/2014 10:28:34 PM EDT
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Now you're catching on.   Their(ASP) rules says it's required however the Statute does not say that.   The ASP rules is what all the CCL instructors teach not so much the statutes that actually affect us.
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Found this and thought I'd throw it out there since it came up in the discussion.  This appears to be a "Rule" and not a "Law".  ASP website has two separate documents--one for rules and one for laws.


https://static.ark.org/eeuploads/asp/CHCL_Rules_revised_November_2013.pdf

Excerpt from Rule 3.2:

Rule 3.2 Contact with law enforcement
(a) While in possession of a concealed handgun, the licensee shall present the original
license for inspection, along with an official form of photo identification, upon request
for identification by any law enforcement officer.
(b) In any official contact with law enforcement, if the licensee IS in possession of a
handgun, when the officer asks the licensee for identification (driver’s license, or
personal information, such as name and date of birth), the licensee shall notify the
officer that he or she holds a concealed handgun carry license and that he or she has a
handgun in his or her possession.


Now you're catching on.   Their(ASP) rules says it's required however the Statute does not say that.   The ASP rules is what all the CCL instructors teach not so much the statutes that actually affect us.


Would not the ASP rules affect us?  Seems they could make it a long day if they wished, and your near future a PITA in general.  But I may be misunderstanding how this works.  
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Would not the ASP rules affect us?  Seems they could make it a long day if they wished, and your near future a PITA in general.  But I may be misunderstanding how this works.  
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Found this and thought I'd throw it out there since it came up in the discussion.  This appears to be a "Rule" and not a "Law".  ASP website has two separate documents--one for rules and one for laws.


https://static.ark.org/eeuploads/asp/CHCL_Rules_revised_November_2013.pdf

Excerpt from Rule 3.2:

Rule 3.2 Contact with law enforcement
(a) While in possession of a concealed handgun, the licensee shall present the original
license for inspection, along with an official form of photo identification, upon request
for identification by any law enforcement officer.
(b) In any official contact with law enforcement, if the licensee IS in possession of a
handgun, when the officer asks the licensee for identification (driver’s license, or
personal information, such as name and date of birth), the licensee shall notify the
officer that he or she holds a concealed handgun carry license and that he or she has a
handgun in his or her possession.


Now you're catching on.   Their(ASP) rules says it's required however the Statute does not say that.   The ASP rules is what all the CCL instructors teach not so much the statutes that actually affect us.


Would not the ASP rules affect us?  Seems they could make it a long day if they wished, and your near future a PITA in general.  But I may be misunderstanding how this works.  


BINGO!!  You can be the guy who says "I will not comply with your rules, only with the laws as codified" and enjoy your proctological exam as administered by the ASP, or play by their "rules" and go about your business with minimal disruption.  Your choice...and if you wish to take a stand and be the test case for not notifying I will certainly be watching from the sidelines as an interested party.  However, if it is to the point that I am already interacting with a LEO it isn't a huge infringement on my rights to notify them of something they can easily determine (and may already have) with the appropriate database call by dispatch.
Link Posted: 8/8/2014 9:08:36 AM EDT
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BINGO!!  You can be the guy who says "I will not comply with your rules, only with the laws as codified" and enjoy your proctological exam as administered by the ASP, or play by their "rules" and go about your business with minimal disruption.  Your choice...and if you wish to take a stand and be the test case for not notifying I will certainly be watching from the sidelines as an interested party.  However, if it is to the point that I am already interacting with a LEO it isn't a huge infringement on my rights to notify them of something they can easily determine (and may already have) with the appropriate database call by dispatch.
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Found this and thought I'd throw it out there since it came up in the discussion.  This appears to be a "Rule" and not a "Law".  ASP website has two separate documents--one for rules and one for laws.


https://static.ark.org/eeuploads/asp/CHCL_Rules_revised_November_2013.pdf

Excerpt from Rule 3.2:

Rule 3.2 Contact with law enforcement
(a) While in possession of a concealed handgun, the licensee shall present the original
license for inspection, along with an official form of photo identification, upon request
for identification by any law enforcement officer.
(b) In any official contact with law enforcement, if the licensee IS in possession of a
handgun, when the officer asks the licensee for identification (driver’s license, or
personal information, such as name and date of birth), the licensee shall notify the
officer that he or she holds a concealed handgun carry license and that he or she has a
handgun in his or her possession.


Now you're catching on.   Their(ASP) rules says it's required however the Statute does not say that.   The ASP rules is what all the CCL instructors teach not so much the statutes that actually affect us.


Would not the ASP rules affect us?  Seems they could make it a long day if they wished, and your near future a PITA in general.  But I may be misunderstanding how this works.  


BINGO!!  You can be the guy who says "I will not comply with your rules, only with the laws as codified" and enjoy your proctological exam as administered by the ASP, or play by their "rules" and go about your business with minimal disruption.  Your choice...and if you wish to take a stand and be the test case for not notifying I will certainly be watching from the sidelines as an interested party.  However, if it is to the point that I am already interacting with a LEO it isn't a huge infringement on my rights to notify them of something they can easily determine (and may already have) with the appropriate database call by dispatch.


Don't go trekking through Deming, N.M. when you need to take a shit...
Link Posted: 8/13/2014 11:33:50 AM EDT
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I think if I am on my own property you don't need to say squat.   I would of course tell him just to know he's safe with me.  But that's a courtesy not out of a requirement.    Also due to Act 746 I think the whole notifying thing is sort of out there now.   Since you can carry without a license now and the Weapons statutes do not say anything about notifying.  Only the CCW statues mention it.  Oh and the CCW statutes only say "Upon demand by law enforcement" anyway.


As was reported on Facebook I was part of a group carrying in NLR on Saturday night.   A customer in the restaurant we were eating called 911 because of all the icky guns.  NLR PD showed up(because they were called), asked a few questions and then left.  No issues at all.
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Had my first cop encounter while carrying a gun today. Working from home, called popo about some drunken vagrants in the neighborhood.  Later, a cop rings my doorbell, I answer, he says "Hi, are you sdailey5?" I said, "Yes and I have a license and a gun on me." He just said "ok" and went on to inquire about the bums.

It was everything I could have hope for (with the exception of being legally obligated to notify).


I think if I am on my own property you don't need to say squat.   I would of course tell him just to know he's safe with me.  But that's a courtesy not out of a requirement.    Also due to Act 746 I think the whole notifying thing is sort of out there now.   Since you can carry without a license now and the Weapons statutes do not say anything about notifying.  Only the CCW statues mention it.  Oh and the CCW statutes only say "Upon demand by law enforcement" anyway.


As was reported on Facebook I was part of a group carrying in NLR on Saturday night.   A customer in the restaurant we were eating called 911 because of all the icky guns.  NLR PD showed up(because they were called), asked a few questions and then left.  No issues at all.


OC or concealed in the restaurant?

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Had my first cop encounter while carrying a gun today. Working from home, called popo about some drunken vagrants in the neighborhood.  Later, a cop rings my doorbell, I answer, he says "Hi, are you sdailey5?" I said, "Yes and I have a license and a gun on me." He just said "ok" and went on to inquire about the bums.

It was everything I could have hope for (with the exception of being legally obligated to notify).


I think if I am on my own property you don't need to say squat.   I would of course tell him just to know he's safe with me.  But that's a courtesy not out of a requirement.    Also due to Act 746 I think the whole notifying thing is sort of out there now.   Since you can carry without a license now and the Weapons statutes do not say anything about notifying.  Only the CCW statues mention it.  Oh and the CCW statutes only say "Upon demand by law enforcement" anyway.


As was reported on Facebook I was part of a group carrying in NLR on Saturday night.   A customer in the restaurant we were eating called 911 because of all the icky guns.  NLR PD showed up(because they were called), asked a few questions and then left.  No issues at all.


OC or concealed in the restaurant?

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OC.  All the way.
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OC.  All the way.
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Had my first cop encounter while carrying a gun today. Working from home, called popo about some drunken vagrants in the neighborhood.  Later, a cop rings my doorbell, I answer, he says "Hi, are you sdailey5?" I said, "Yes and I have a license and a gun on me." He just said "ok" and went on to inquire about the bums.

It was everything I could have hope for (with the exception of being legally obligated to notify).


I think if I am on my own property you don't need to say squat.   I would of course tell him just to know he's safe with me.  But that's a courtesy not out of a requirement.    Also due to Act 746 I think the whole notifying thing is sort of out there now.   Since you can carry without a license now and the Weapons statutes do not say anything about notifying.  Only the CCW statues mention it.  Oh and the CCW statutes only say "Upon demand by law enforcement" anyway.


As was reported on Facebook I was part of a group carrying in NLR on Saturday night.   A customer in the restaurant we were eating called 911 because of all the icky guns.  NLR PD showed up(because they were called), asked a few questions and then left.  No issues at all.


OC or concealed in the restaurant?

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OC.  All the way.


High five.
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