double tap

i agree with that point, but other companies aren't doing it

i had a chance to get spike's lowers for $80 this week, same price they've been for 3 years

but if you want an obama lower, go for it, more power to you. hopefully after november, he will only be a bad memory and you will have a collector's item on your hands

could be, i wasn't on the AR scene then. all my spike's stuff is quality, to spec, and functions flawlessly.....same as everyone i've talked to around here with spike's stuff.

i'm not here to start a fight or argument, but i and 2 buddies have all gotten junk from PSA, so i'm not big on them. while i know they don't actually forge or machine their lowers, my buddy has 2 that are out of spec, so we're pretty much done with them. and i realize that our experiences are probably flukes, but i will stick to other dealers and manufacturers. but to each his own.

as long as you are out shooting, exercising your rights, and happy with your equipment, God bless.

I really wish PSA would have listened in the thread they made about the new lower in the industry section. Everyone pretty much said no and they would rather see a pro 2nd amendment lower or a wounded warrior project lower. I'd have bought a WWP lower in a heart beat because I love the organization.

I'd be interested in the out of spec AR lowers as well. I've built 4 out of 6 of the last lowers I bought from them and they have all be good to go.

so, if i remember correctly, these where the 1st ever runs of PSA lowers.
how they were out of spec was the magwells were too small, most mags wouldn't drop freely. got the calipers out, they were either .02 or .002, too small and assymetrical. could be an honest mistake as it looks like 1 side was maybe not cut all the way due to a slight machining error. not a big deal, they just had to be machined out and re-finished.
on one of the lowers, something was wrong with the bolt catch area. i can't remember if it was too small or it wasn't machined all the way through. i'm pretty sure it was fixable
on the other lower, 2 issues. (1) the take down pins didn't line up almost any upper, they were technically within spec, but at the exact edge. still not a big deal, just a case of stacking tolerances, that could be corrected with a bit of machining and (2) the grip screw was drilled and threaded crooked. i have no idea how that would happen, but it was enough to cause all grips to be off noticeably cocked in the forward direction.

now, having said that, the last the last 2 lowers i ordered from them were "ok". the one i gave to a buddy was really tight on spec, but it worked. trigger pins were at the edge of spec on the small side, nothing that can't be fixed with a BFH. the one i assembled was also tight on spec, but really no issues except for a little slop in the mag release, but no real complaints.

as far as the "junk" from PSA statement, it was in regards to an upper (that will not go 2-3 rounds with out doublefeeds, FTEs, or bolt-over-bullet malfunctions) and a barrel (scratched up and canted sights), and a little animosity because every time i have ordered an LPK it has had 1 or 2 parts missing (that they corrected without fuss, kudos to them) and the last 2 times i have ordered ammo they just threw them into a giant box and i received a giant soup of ammo, packing peanuts and empty 20rd boxes.

now, let me say, i really don't have anything against PSA. I think they are just a case of being really successful at a given price point and demand greatly overshot capabilities. I will just buy from other companies. However, the PSA fanboys (not anyone in the Arkansas section) are utterly intolerable.

No way I'd buy that abomination (pun intended) reminder of our great leader. No way in hell

I did just buy this week a standard PSA stripped lower with the cannons roll mark. I'll probably send it and the $49 upper I got from Palmetto (stratch & nick sale) off to get Dura-Coated in FDE for my next build.

I'll post any out-of-tolerance issues if found and picture when done

Who were you going to use for the Dura-Cote? I was thinking about keeping it simple and just driving over to Berryville and dropping off at Wilson Combat. I've got one of their Scatterguns with same finish and it's held up well.