We've had alot of threads lately from folks in differant cities and counties looking for information and advice regarding signoffs on NFA and I had a thought.. What do you guys think about a tacked thread with any first hand knowledge in a given location. No hearsay or rumors you heard form a dealer or at the funshow, I mean either a pic of a stamp or copies of letters and emails telling you to get bent. It would also be a good place to put any contact info. for the LEO agency. Seems like it would help give folks interested in getting into NFA a good place to start. I have some links and info on the ks regs as well as the actual NFA act of 1934, to help explain the process and laws to your local chief LEO. Hell, I'd be willing to start just emailing differant counties throughout the state to get an initial response and then contact some major cities.

Originally Posted By spectre556: We've had alot of threads lately from folks in differant cities and counties looking for information and advice regarding signoffs on NFA and I had a thought.. What do you guys think about a tacked thread with any first hand knowledge in a given location. No hearsay or rumors you heard form a dealer or at the funshow, I mean either a pic of a stamp or copies of letters and emails telling you to get bent. It would also be a good place to put any contact info. for the LEO agency. Seems like it would help give folks interested in getting into NFA a good place to start. I have some links and info on the ks regs as well as the actual NFA act of 1934, to help explain the process and laws to your local chief LEO. Hell, I'd be willing to start just emailing differant counties throughout the state to get an initial response and then contact some major cities.

Good idea Spectre!!! In fact its such a good idea I'm gonna let you create the tacked thread.

Let us all know when your done....

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Ok folks, I will start with the state laws pertaining to NFA items.

The following is the Kansas legislation concerning these types of weapons and there legality
KS Legislation doesn't say what you can do but only what you can't do. NFA items are line 6 & 7

21-4201 Chapter 21.––CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS PART II.––PROHIBITED CONDUCT Article 42.––CRIMES AGAINST THE PUBLIC SAFETY 21-4201. Criminal use of weapons. (a) Criminal use of weapons is knowingly: (1) Selling, manufacturing, purchasing, possessing or carrying any bludgeon, sandclub, metal knuckles or throwing star, or any knife, commonly referred to as a switch-blade, which has a blade that opens automatically by hand pressure applied to a button, spring or other device in the handle of the knife, or any knife having a blade that opens or falls or is ejected into position by the force of gravity or by an outward, downward or centrifugal thrust or movement; (2) carrying concealed on one's person, or possessing with intent to use the same unlawfully against another, a dagger, dirk, billy, blackjack, slungshot, dangerous knife, straight-edged razor, stiletto or any other dangerous or deadly weapon or instrument of like character, except that an ordinary pocket knife with no blade more than four inches in length shall not be construed to be a dangerous knife, or a dangerous or deadly weapon or instrument; (3) carrying on one's person or in any land, water or air vehicle, with intent to use the same unlawfully, a tear gas or smoke bomb or projector or any object containing a noxious liquid, gas or substance; (4) carrying any pistol, revolver or other firearm concealed on one's person except when on the person's land or in the person's abode or fixed place of business; (5) setting a spring gun; (6) possessing any device or attachment of any kind designed, used or intended for use in suppressing the report of any firearm; (7) selling, manufacturing, purchasing, possessing or carrying a shotgun with a barrel less than 18 inches in length or any other firearm designed to discharge or capable of discharging automatically more than once by a single function of the trigger; or (8) possessing, manufacturing, causing to be manufactured, selling, offering for sale, lending, purchasing or giving away any cartridge which can be fired by a handgun and which has a plastic-coated bullet that has a core of less than 60% lead by weight. (b) Subsections (a)(1), (2), (3), (4) and (7) shall not apply to or affect any of the following: (1) Law enforcement officers, or any person summoned by any such officers to assist in making arrests or preserving the peace while actually engaged in assisting such officer; (2) wardens, superintendents, directors, security personnel and keepers of prisons, penitentiaries, jails and other institutions for the detention of persons accused or convicted of crime, while acting within the scope of their authority; (3) members of the armed services or reserve forces of the United States or the Kansas national guard while in the performance of their official duty; or (4) manufacture of, transportation to, or sale of weapons to a person authorized under subsections (b)(1), (2) and (3) to possess such weapons. (c) Subsection (a)(4) shall not apply to or affect the following: (1) Watchmen, while actually engaged in the performance of the duties of their employment; (2) licensed hunters or fishermen, while engaged in hunting or fishing; (3) private detectives licensed by the state to carry the firearm involved, while actually engaged in the duties of their employment; (4) detectives or special agents regularly employed by railroad companies or other corporations to perform full-time security or investigative service, while actually engaged in the duties of their employment; (5) the state fire marshal, the state fire marshal's deputies or any member of a fire department authorized to carry a firearm pursuant to K.S.A. 31-157 and amendments thereto, while engaged in an investigation in which such fire marshal, deputy or member is authorized to carry a firearm pursuant to K.S.A. 31-157 and amendments thereto; or (6) special deputy sheriffs described in K.S.A. 19-827, and amendments thereto, who have satisfactorily completed the basic course of instruction required for permanent appointment as a part-time law enforcement officer under K.S.A. 74-5607a and amendments thereto. (d) Subsections (a)(1), (6) and (7) shall not apply to any person who sells, purchases, possesses or carries a firearm, device or attachment which has been rendered unserviceable by steel weld in the chamber and marriage weld of the barrel to the receiver and which has been registered in the national firearms registration and transfer record in compliance with 26 U.S.C. 5841 et seq. in the name of such person and, if such person transfers such firearm, device or attachment to another person, has been so registered in the transferee's name by the transferor. (e) Subsection (a)(8) shall not apply to a governmental laboratory or solid plastic bullets. (f) Subsection (a)(6) shall not apply to a law enforcement officer who is: (1) Assigned by the head of such officer's law enforcement agency to a tactical unit which receives specialized, regular training; (2) designated by the head of such officer's law enforcement agency to possess devices described in subsection (a)(6); and (3) in possession of commercially manufactured devices which are: (A) Owned by the law enforcement agency; (B) in such officer's possession only during specific operations; and (C) approved by the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms and explosives of the United States department of justice. (g) Subsections (a)(6), (7) and (8) shall not apply to any person employed by a laboratory which is certified by the United States department of justice, national institute of justice, while actually engaged in the duties of their employment and on the premises of such certified laboratory. Subsections (a)(6), (7) and (8) shall not affect the manufacture of, transportation to or sale of weapons to such certified laboratory. (h) Subsection (a)(4) shall not apply to any person carrying a concealed weapon as authorized by K.S.A. 2008 Supp. 75-7c01 through 75-7c17, and amendments thereto. (i) Subsections (a)(6) and (7) shall not apply to or affect any person or entity in compliance with the national firearms act, 26 U.S.C. 5801 et seq. (j) It shall be a defense that the defendant is within an exemption. (k) Violation of subsections (a)(1) through (a)(5) is a class A nonperson misdemeanor. Violation of subsection (a)(6), (a)(7) or (a)(8) is a severity level 9, nonperson felony. (l) As used in this section, "throwing star" means any instrument, without handles, consisting of a metal plate having three or more radiating points with one or more sharp edges and designed in the shape of a polygon, trefoil, cross, star, diamond or other geometric shape, manufactured for use as a weapon for throwing. History: L. 1969, ch. 180, § 21-4201; L. 1978, ch. 365, § 1; L. 1981, ch. 145, § 1; L. 1982, ch. 135, § 2; L. 1982, ch. 136, § 1; L. 1986, ch. 126, § 1; L. 1992, ch. 298, § 67; L. 1993, ch. 291, § 146; L. 1996, ch. 149, § 4; L. 1999, ch. 164, § 12; L. 2002, ch. 123, § 3; L. 2004, ch. 83, § 1; L. 2006, ch. 32, § 20; L. 2008, ch. 103, § 2; July 1.

So basically Title II weapons which are legal but require registration in KS are as follows.
Short barreled rifles
Short barreled shotguns
AOW (any other weapon)
other AOW's including true pen guns
Destructive Devices including 40mm grenade launchers


This is the bes place to start with if anyonw is unfamiliar with the process or laws. I could post the actual NFA act of 1934 but I think you can just google that and save me the page space.

Some other useful links from the class 3 section here on arfcom.

Setting up trust for NFA

SBR faq

NFA faq online BATFE forms and more

NFA at 18

OK I'll bite.....

I got my UZI SBR'ed in Douglas County ,KS.
My CLEO who signed off on the whole deal is:

Kenneth M. McGovern
Sheriff
111 e 11th
Lawrence, KS 66044
785-841-0007

I never actually met the sheriff, one of his deputies, who filled out my FBI fingerprint cards, got the form 1 to him. He was very pleasant, asked a bunch of questions because he had never seen one of these forms before, and I was able to talk up the KDSC, and hopefully get a few new members!

Just a heads up. The first time the sheriff filled it out, he mistakenly signed line 8., which was incorrect. For those of you going through the same process, I would put a post it note on the back of the form where the CLEO is supposed to sign off, indicating that this is the correct area for them to fill out.

I had mine overnight. Couldn't be happier. And I was even more happy when I got the form back, stamp and signatures all in place, in less than 2 weeks from the BATFE!
I'de like to say that I was extremely impressed with the people at the BATFE! They were super helpful, super friendly, and really helped to make sure I had everything I was supposed to have. I say this because I had all kinds of questions when the sheriff signed the wrong area on my form! I am not sure if there are branches state to state, but I talked with a Ted Clutter who was the sign off at the BATFE NFA branch.

All in all, I encourage all of you looking to do this, to do just that, do it!!! It was far easier than I thought, and I will be SBR'ing my HK51 pistol as soon as I can!

I had no idea that ANY of these were legal. I thought it was all verboten here.

Live and learn! :)

I just got my sheriff to sign of for my sbr.

Bob Odell
Cowley co

Just went in and talked to his secretary and told her I had some forms from ATF I needed signed by the sheriff. She took them and came back about five minutes later with them signed. It was to easy.

I hope the wait isn't to long. I can't wait.

Wanting to get an SBR done.
I'm moving back to KS, looking for a house to buy in Shawnee, OP or possibly Lenexa.
From this thread I was able to learn Shawnee is GTG (suprised the hell out of me)
Any word on the CLEO's in OP or Lenexa?

Also:
There is some concern about crossing the state line between KS and MO. Because of the unique state boundaries of the KC area, is there any way around all the paperwork involved about state line crossings?
Thanks,
Lappy

Thanks Spectre.
I've decided I can't let this SBR issue dictate where I'll buy. I'm divorced w/no kids...but maybe a trust is the way for me to go. I've got an LLC, but it's in MO and I'll probably want to sell within the next 7-8yrs anyway. I figured ATF didn't have any special regs for us folk in the KC area, but had to ask.
If I could locate a 14.5 instead of the 10" 416, I'd just pin the FH and be done with it!

Originally Posted By Scorch05: I think an update is in order considering the law that just passed.

I have noted the upcoming change and will clean up the ks regs when the new ones go into effect.

Originally Posted By Scorch05: When do they go into effect btw

July 1st You didn't even read what I wrote did ya?

Originally Posted By spectre556: Originally Posted By Scorch05: When do they go into effect btw July 1st You didn't even read what I wrote did ya?

You mean those big bold red words that you edited in? Nope I skimmed right over them.

Any word on Harvey County?