New poll for AK voters....

Some info, in the interest of making informed decisions:



http://762precision.wordpress.com/2014/07/16/where-do-the-senate-candidates-stand/

Good info


 

Excellent.  Too bad some folks will be ashamed to say they like Miller, like they were Palin.  

 

I see one vote for Begich! Mayhap our peninsular police friend did a driveby?

I had hoped Treadwell would be a solid choice, but he has a history of supporting Murkowski, and is contributing to her reelection fund. There are some other things too.





I had hopes for Sullivan, but he is clearly a big-government type and despite what he says while campaigning, he has a history of opposing gun rights.



Both show unwillingness to actually take a stand and tell us where they stand.



Keep in mind that this is not the last senate race, and there are other races, so we will see these guys again, whoever wins the primary and the election. I wish that both of these guys were stronger where they need to be.





 

Pat's on the Kenai? I'm going fishing, maybe he'll write me a ticket

That chart is good info the one thing I don't like about it is that there are no citations for Miller, and it was put out I assume by Miller.  Sullivan is saying he is pro-gun but there is no proof and actually the opposite if you look at the stand your ground law and the AG's office.  So I should take Millers word on it?

I will interview him about it and see what he has to say - same with the others. See if I get answers from all of them. I have spoken with Joe Miller and Mead Treadwell on the firearms issue in the past, and based on those conversations, i would say both are stronger on 2nd Amendment rights than Sullivan with his history, but Joe Miller seems to take a much stronger stand than both Treadwell AND Sullivan on gun rights.



 

While I agree with the broad strokes of some of Miller's stated ideals, he provides fewer specifics to reach those goals than either Treadwell or Sullivan. Saying you want to lop huge chunks off the federal budget and send entire agencies to File 13 is easy to say, but not realistic.

All I care is who can beat Begich.

This. Miller looks best on that chart but I will hold my nose and vote for a RINO if need be.

I like Miller but I don't think he is winnable.  I'm going to have to go for whomever can beat Begich.

And what trips me out is that he has the same elite education that Hillary Clinton has. Yale Law School.

Dan Sullivan will not get my vote.

Now comes the tough part...Who can actually beat Mark?  Treadwell or Miller?  I think Treadwell...  Don't know if I can make myself vote for Mead though.  Uhhggg...  One more month.

It is being proven over and over that a strongly constitutional candidate can beat a progressive. We have fallen into a trap of believing that only a weak candidate can win against a democrat. We will never get progressive liberals to vote for a conservative candidate, but if we just get conservative people to vote, the conservative candidate can win. People are looking for candidates that will take a stand, and who will tell them exactly where they stand.



Joe Miller can beat Begich. There is a growing group of constitutional senators and representatives in Washington, who have been elected despite opposition from both parties. We just need to elect more of the same to join them.



Sometimes, we have to compromise in an election, in order to beat the greater of two evils. But we don't have to compromise in the primary - the primary is where we decide whether we are going to vote of a good candidate, or just the lesser of two evils. Let's not blow the primary out of concern over who can beat Begich - Begich can be beat no matter what. But let's elect the best candidate while we are at it.



It is compromising on who we elect that has put us in the place we are at now.

Joe Miller in the primary.

If you're interested in voting for the candidate most likely to beat Begich, here are the latest polls:

I don't want to sound cocky, but if that man is statistically tied with his challenger now, after 5 1/2 years of the Daily Worker and the News-Minor pulling  him along, he is dead meat in the General Election.  

What a laugh.  He barely beat a 7x convicted Felon who ran for reelection only a week, rode on some serious coat tails, and he is on track for a drubbing like no other.

Well I think the main reason Treadwell is polling better than Sullivan is because Begich has been attacking Sullivan and vice-versa.  Sullivan isn't attacking anyone in the primary; he seems to think that's a fait accompli and so does Begich.

 

Miller just plain can't win, too much baggage.  

Is it too late for some other options?

Miller is a proven liar so you can't believe anything he says.
Pat

I will vote for the candidate that I think has the most ethics and represents me on the issues. Conservatives have gone rabid lately and will not get my vote. They are as bad as the far left just in a different extreme. Begich for the WIN!

Tell me you didn't vote twice

 

I guess Sullivan saw that poll, because now my mailbox is receiving negative mailers about Treadwell.

And now I just heard an attack ad from Begich on the radio against Sullivan and Treadwell about abortion.  Disgusting...  We are in so much trouble as a country.  

It's the primary and Joe Miller gets my vote.  Bam...  If Begich is going to roll that crap out I think Miller could beat him.  Either way, elections have consequences.  The country and our State would be better off by the way Joe would vote than the others in my opinion.  He should already be a Senator anyway.  But if he screws up then we vote him out next time.

Seeing attack ads against Treadwell now on the internet from Begich.  Begich is claiming Treadwell wants to make birth control illegal, LOL.  It's amazing how little Democrats think of their supporters' intelligence.  Right Glockfan?
 

Hey now, like the sign above the animal cages at the fair says:  "No feeding the animals or poking your fingers in the cage"

We all thought the 'war on women' angle was ridiculous and would not gain Obama any traction.



Hey now, Glockfan got all A's and B's in high school, earned a 3.4 GPA at university.  He noted the more educated one is, the more left wing one they become, or something like that.  

I do note he did not mention anything about common sense or checkbook balancing skills.      

Rock on Miller!  Nice debate tonight.  He kicked ass.  The other two looked like pervs.

Sure, you have said it before, and I have asked before for details and proof, but you can't answer.





Miller's opponents cannot attack him on the issues, because he is very clear in his positions, and has been for many years.





They cannot attack him on his actions. They cannot attack his integrity.





So they attack him with vague statements against his character. They don't back it up with fact, they just make baseless statements.





I think this says as much about the man's character as anything - after years of trying to find anything to attack him on, the liberal media, his opponents, and even the RINO republicans can't find anything of substance against him.





 

New updated comparison sheets:







Go to this link for the PDF: https://762precision.wordpress.com/2014/08/10/updated-alaska-senate-candidate-comparison/



Slow internet connection here in Tununak.

I have given you the proof earlier. Just do a goggle search. The man is a complete liar. That is what lost him the last election against Lisa. He has no integrity.

http://abovethelaw.com/2010/10/joe-miller-now-an-admitted-liar/

Man supporting Miller is akin to denying the holocaust happened.

Global climate change agenda. LOL wow just wow.
Pat

That is all you have on Miller? I think you're helping Miller out if that incident is all I have to compare against the things that Begich has done over his years in office.

See, your arguments, and those of his opponents, are trivial and emotional. Do you wonder why his opponents are not using that one incident against him? Even the media has dropped it.



Here is the truth of what happened. Joe used three borough computers to vote in a non-scientific poll on his own website, as a test. However, he realized that this violated the borough regulations on the use of the computers, and he voluntarily told his supervisor within one hour. However, in the mean time he told coworkers that he did not know about it. This was spun by the media into something it was not.



If this is the worst they could find on him, he is a saint compared to most politicians.



I've done far worse in the past and still can consider myself a man of integrity now. I will hold that there is not one person you can find that has not lied in the past. If this is the only thing they can find, after a ton of digging, after years and a pile of money spent, you can hardly call him a complete liar.



By the way, I'm not sure he lost the last election. I have been in many villages and have heard the stories about how voting went in that election, with ballots already pre-filled with Murkowski's name, people voting who were not in town, people escorted by corporation representatives and told to write in Murkowski's name, etc., and then everything that happened in the counting that violated Alaska law (and was supported by Sullivan and Treadwell) - there is a book that covers it in depth. According to analysts, it was not the borough computer charge that hurt Joe Miller, but the operation carried out against him by Bill Fulton, working with liberal media while an FBI informant.



 

He has a history of dishonesty that is not trivial to those who value integrity.
Pat

And yet with all their digging, no one has been able to find this history of dishonesty. Hmmm . . .



And compared to the other candidates, your boy especially, Miller comes out well on top in the honesty and integrity race. Consider all the underhanded things Begich did in his days as mayor, shady deals on parking space properties, intentionally causing financial problems for his successor, etc., Sullivan claims to have been partially responsible for passing the stand your ground law in Alaska, yet he actually opposed it and then resigned from his position before the bill actually passed. Sullivan's hunting license deal I'm not at all concerned about, since few people really know how best to fill that stuff out. If you checked some of mine, they were probably wrong at times. Treadwell and Sullivan both supported unethical things during the Miller/Murkowski election, including things that violated election law. Treadwell and Sullivan can't be pinned down on a lot of issues, while Miller will tell you exactly where he stands. Begich had a "Town Hall" type meeting that he claimed publicly was a public meeting. Instead, it took place in the secure area of the airport, and attendance was limited to members of the teamsters union, with members known to be conservative either not allowed to attend, or ordered by their employer to keep silent in the meeting.



I also value integrity. After looking at all of the candidates very carefully, I can only support Joe Miller in the primary - he is the only candidate that I can find true integrity in.



I was not a Joe Miller fanboy. I went into this with an open mind, carefully looking at each candidate before I made my choice. If you were a person of integrity, you would have to acknowledge that Miller is the candidate with the most integrity in this race, hands down.



But it is clear that you went into this with a pre-set political view, just as I did. I value integrity and constitutional responsibility. That is what brought me to support Miller. You value liberal progressive ideals over integrity. This is what brought you to support Begich. That is as it should be. You should support the candidate that best represents your ideals and political view.



 

By the way, I promised I would try to talk to the candidates about guns . . .










From my website:





I spent some time with Senate candidate Joe Miller recently, talking about the Second Amendment to the US Constitution, his stance on gun rights, and about guns in general.





I brought along some guns, including my .50 Beowulf AR-15 and my IDF carbine clone with Meprolight M21. I expected that he would be impressed. Turns out that I showed him nothing new. He has fired a .50 Beowulf before – his own. And as far as the Meprolight optics? Yeah, he owns some of those as well.





I will post full details of my discussion and interview soon, but for now, let me say that I am fully convinced that Joe Miller is by far the strongest candidate I have ever spoken to on gun rights, and he stand solidly behind the Second Amendment as it was intended by the founding fathers, without apology or compromise.





I hope to have some answers on these issues soon from the other candidates as well, so stay tuned!

 

Read the link and there are more from other sources. He has a history of lying. And no I am not a liberal progressive. I am a moderate I hate Hillary Clinton for lying about being under sniper fire as well. Honesty comes before politics but you don't seem to share this view. Miller will tell you what you want to hear. If this was an anti gun state he would be anti gun.
Pat

I read the link. I also objectively researched it.



It is the facts that are important to me, and the longtime history of a candidate. It is easy to make vague statements about "history of lying," and "more from other sources" without backing it up.



I want an honest politician representing my as much or more than anyone else, and that is what led me to support Miller. I don't like a candidate who lies about his position. I don't like a candidate who won't tell you clearly what his position is, that is the same as lying.



Joe Miller has always had a history of taking the same stands on the same issues no matter what. He will tell you exactly where he stands. That is what I am looking for.



You say he will tell me what I want to hear? OK, prove it. Where has he compromised his stand based on where he was or what he thought voters wanted him to say? In fact, had he compromised his stand on certain issues, he would be a senator today - with the full support of the Republican party behind him. Instead, he stood against both parties where they were wrong, and still does today. That takes character and integrity.



As long as you support Begich, don't lecture me about valuing honesty!



 

What do you want for back up. The records of him lying about using work computers for personal business. A friend of mine who is a Trooper lived int he same community as him when he was a kid. (Tok) and he has nothing good to say about the man. My step family has even married into Millers family and I still know he is a liar. Beigch is an honest man and whom I support. You don't like him on politics alone you know nothing of him as a person. I know Miller more than I want to and he is a crook.
Pat

This is really funny. The guy who accuses Miller of being a liar posting this stuff?



He didn't grow up in Tok. Who is your family member married into Joe Miller's family? I want a names and relationships. But I'm guessing you won't supply them.



I spoke with a trooper in Wasilla who asked me why Joe Miller hates the troopers. I was just in Bethel where a trooper has been spreading untrue and very harsh rumors about Joe Miller. There were rumors that were spread among the Troopers that Miller would somehow hurt their incomes. It was untrue, but a number of troopers felt that they needed to spread rumors against him. I spoke to Joe Miller about this on this last weekend and he had just had a meeting with the troopers to clear this up, and the troopers are working on stamping out the rumors that were being spread by a few troopers. Those particular troopers just thought he was a threat. But I have spoken to several troopers and heard rumors that are clearly false, so I would take anything like that with a grain of salt.



Joe Miller grew up in a small town in Kansas, attended West Point, served in the military, and attended college, all outside of Alaska. So unless Tok is a town in Kansas, your Trooper friend is dishonest, or you are making it up. Be interesting to see how you try to spin this one. By the way, please PM or email me your trooper friend's name. I would like to know directly from him what he has to say.



I know Joe Miller, I have talked to him a lot because I wanted to know. He strikes me as an honest person, and I am pretty good at picking that out. I have spoken with Mead Treadwell as well, but have been unable to speak with Sullivan so far - he is not nearly so accessible.



Again, you are quick with generalizations but slow with details. It is easy to say, "he has nothing good to say," and, "he is a crook," yet you can give no specifics. How do you know he is a crook? What did he do? What did he say to you? Obviously, since he is family, you will have something, right?



 

Tok Miller used to live there

Miller did live in Tok if you are not aware of that it begs the question what else you don't know about Miller but claim to know. Yes Miller will hurt all government employees income he is a Tea party drone. If he strikes you as an honest person you are easily fooled. His lies are on record.
http://www.adn.com/article/joe-millers-wife-took-unemployment-benefits-after-working-him
http://www.adn.com/article/stress-lies-and-politics-tainted-joe-millers-borough-job-records-show
http://www.adn.com/article/20101026/miller-admitted-lies-deleted-borough-e-mails

Specific enough for you?!

I should not have to spoon feed you this. Type google.com into your web browsers address bar then type in Joe Miller Liar and go through page after page of his scandal from the last election and more. The man is a liar end of discussion. Sounds like you work for his campaign or are perhaps Joe Miller himself trying to boost support under a false name again.

You know what, the fact that you don't like Miller is a great endorsement for him on this forum.



I have seen all of that stuff. I have also seen people claiming all kinds of crazy stuff about him that has no grounds. I would not even bother arguing with you, except that someone might be taken in by what you are spouting. In the last election, the media, the democrats, and the republican party were all desperate to see Murkowski win. The were desperatly dragging up anything they could possibly blow out of proportion and turn into an issue.



Joe Miller's wife took unemployment benefits. So what? So have I. I payed into it, and when I was out of work, I used it to survive until the next job. And I have payed a whole lot more into it than I have ever received. So I have no problem with people using unemployment when needed, as long as it is not abused. And that was Miller's issue - he was not against unemployment, but against the federal government abusing it.



The borough computer thing was already covered above, it was also blown of of proportion and a lot if false claims made surrounding it.



The deal with Bill Fulton?



Bill Fulton was an FBI informant, voted twice for Obama, and was working for liberal media when he showed up at an event and said he was voluntarily providing security at the event. He handcuffed a reporter without authorization from anyone in the Miller campaign. No one expected anything of the sort. This one operation against Joe Miller's campaign did much more harm than anything else.



Here is what Bill Fulton himself had to say to a media organization:



"The left-wing completely attacked me, including the Huffington Post, you bastards. I was working for you, you sons of bitches, and nobody knew It.” – Bill Fulton, The Huffington Post, 1/11/13 (Reported by Ryan J. Reilly)



Here is what the reporter who was handcuffed had to say:



"Do we want the FBI dealing with cowboys like Bill Fulton who change the outcome of political elections by say, handcuffing journalists? No wonder Farmer Joe and his friends worry so about Big Brother. I don’t like the idea, either, of the FBI having a paid informant working inside a political campaign when the candidate himself is not the primary target of the investigation. Why would anybody run for office under those circumstances? Joe Miller should be more upset with the FBI/Justice Department than with Fulton.”  – Alaska Dispatch, 1/13/13



Again, all of these are old allegations that were based on insignificant things or non-issues, augmented by hearsay, and twisted to try to support a position that Joe Miller was a liar. His opponents could not argue with his stand on the issues - he was always clear where he stood. But his opponents did not want anyone voting for him based on the issues - that was too dangerous to them. So they set out to destroy his character, to the point of hiring someone to handcuff a reporter at one of his events.



These old allegations you are bringing up were cleared up long ago. If they were not, his opponents would be using them now, but they are not. That has to tell you something.



Again, you personally are making personal statements, insinuating that you have personal knowledge about Joe Miller, but when asked for details, you cannnot deliver, you just post old, already debunked articles.

So what you are basically saying is you know that Miller is a liar but since you agree with his political stances you don't care. The problem with that is when the popular tide turns and you are now on the wrong side of the issues Miller will turn on you.
Also his opponents are able to argue for their stance on the issues very well. Not everyone agrees with your stances on the issues and it does not make them any less of a good person because they don't see eye to eye with you.

Pat

No. Don't put words in my mouth. Like the politicians you support, you muddy the waters with rhetoric and make people think you have said something of substance when you have nothing at all.



We should be deciding based on the issues and where each candidate has a proven stance and record. If we step back and take a look at all the candidates, Joe Miller is a saint compared to the others when it comes to honesty and transparency, and being honest about where he stands.



Like a true progressive, you are talking about the tide of popular opinion turning and leaving me on the wrong side of an issue. Let me make this clear. Popular opinion will not change what I believe or what I stand for. I stand for what I know to be right, and popular opinion can go any way it wants - it's not changing where I stand. Right and wrong are not based on popular opinion. Popular opinion elected Hitler. Popular opinion kept its mouth shut for years when the signs said, "Whites Only." Popular opinion has plunged countries into communist dictatorships. Popular opinion executes women in Muslim countries for the crime of being raped.



We live in a Republic that is based on a constitution. Popular opinion is to be held in check by this constitution. Where popular opinion goes against the structure provided by the Constitution, I will stand against it. Where popular opinion goes against clear morality, I will stand against it.



I also seek out people who take this kind of stand. When I consider politicians, I am looking for someone who takes this kind of stand. I have spoken extensively to Joe Miller about these things. He is willing to take a stand for a constitutional government. He is not perfect; no one is. I probably don't agree with everything he believes; I've never met anyone yet that I saw eye to eye with on everything. I know that he is human, and who knows, maybe he might get elected and back down on something. Others have, even very great men.



But I know him well enough to trust him to stand by what he believes, and unlike other candidates, he is not afraid to tell you exactly what he believes. In my opinion, a man who is willing to take a firm and clear stand on each issue when he is running for election is much more likely to continue that stand when elected than a candidate who won't allow himself to be pinned down in an effort to win votes.



So let's skip the smoke and mirrors and talk about the issues.



You agree with Begich - then vote for him. I would think less of you if you did not vote according to your beliefs. But let's talk fact and issues, not vague attacks, hearsay, and unsubstantiated claims.



I agree with Joe Miller. I believe in a constitutional republic and the need for senators who will stand behind the constitution. Other states are electing men and women like this. I say let's elect Joe Miller to join them. But that is my choice, based on Joe's stand on the issues and his character. He is the clear choice for anyone who believes in a constitutional government.



I don't expect him to be perfect. I don't expect him to never make a mistake. But I do expect him to go to Washington and stand for what he has promised to stand for. If I can trust anyone to do so, Joe is the one I can trust.

Tell you what I won't put words in your mouth and you don't label me as a liberal progressive. Deal sport. I am a moderate with beliefs coming down on both the conservative and liberal sides of the aisle depending on the issue.  Vote for who you want just make sure you educate yourself.
Pat

Sounds fair. I definitely wouldn't want to be labeled a Liberal Progressive, or have words put in my mouth. Of course I wouldn't feel real good about calling someone 'sport' either, or being called 'sport'. I suspect many wouldn't, because of how it is often used and meant.

Since you have conservative beliefs, would you care to mention which conservative ideals or values you believe in? I ask because while you say you have these moderate beliefs that include elements of both liberal and conservative, I don't believe I remember any of the conservative ones that you have stated. Besides that you like guns, and bad guys are bad, and Begich and Murkowski are good, and the Sullivans (and now Miller) are bad.

And if not, that's cool. I don't expect to change your mind about anything, and I'm pretty sure you're not changing many minds. But we all get to vote how we want.