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Posted: 1/14/2016 1:03:13 PM EDT
Got this from Silencerco.
MICHIGAN TO LEGALIZE HUNTING WITH SILENCERS, BUT... The Michigan Natural Resources Commission is casting a final vote on February 11, 2016 regarding whether to allow hunting with silencers. This is a great step forward and would make Michigan the 38th state to allow hunting with silencers, however, there are two arbitrary and unenforceable restrictions that are being included that we need your help to remove. The current language would prohibit: Hunting with a silencer that reduces sound signature by greater than 30dB Hunting using a silencer along with subsonic ammunition These restrictions do not protect the safety of hunters or those in the surrounding area - they will solely serve as a source of confusion and misunderstanding for hunters and law enforcement alike. On January 14, the Michigan NRC will consider the Wildlife Conservation Order Amendment No. 1 of 2016. We need your help to remove these instances of arbitrary and unenforceable restrictions from the WCOA. How can you help? Reach out to the NRC by phone or email to let them know that you support the legalization of hunting with silencers, but that the two points mentioned above will not serve any positive purpose and will only create added headache for those charged with enforcing the law. Thank you for standing with SilencerCo and helping to #FightTheNoise. CONTACT THE MICHIGAN NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Email: [email protected] | (517) 284-6237 http://us2.campaign-archive1.com/?u=a1d29a8e791b7e5fccbeaa366&id=e0c627a5ef&e=580a7000f7 |
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Email sent.
I got the same notification, and replied yesterday. Fingers are crossed |
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Email sent...
Hello, I am writing to request that the Natural Resources Commission consider changing the Wildlife Conservation Order Amendment No. 1 of 2016. Specifically, the prohibition against use of subsonic ammunition and the requirement to only use suppressors that suppress less than 30 dB. Both of these requirements would be difficult, if not impossible for officers to enforce and will work directly against the key advantage of hunting (and shooting) with suppressors--the reduction of obnoxious and hearing damaging noise. Thank you for your consideration, |
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I just called all of the members of the commission and either spoke to them (2) or left a message. I DO NOT want restrictions on DB ratings or subsonic ammo. If these restrictions get into the language , we won't be able to properly protect our hearing with silencers while hunting. I don't think we the people should sit ideally by and let these restrictions get into the language. Please help this house and call , email, write letters and let this commission know that these restrictions are a very bad idea. I feel that most of the country will be laughing at us and will feel that we got the short end of the stick if these restrictions get into the language. I was told that these restrictions are law enforcements recommendations because of concerns of poaching. Crimes just don't get committed with NFA items . No one is going to go thru what they have to go thru to procure a silencer to poach.
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Any update on the meeting? View Quote I called the Lansing Office and had to wait for a call back from their PR person, he told me there was no action taken and that it was informative only, but that memo was brought into the record. He also said that the public comment was all against the two restrictions and that either the NRA or ASA (he didn't remember) also spoke out against the two restrictions. It will be decided at the Feb 11 meeting in Detroit. It will either pass appropriately or it will pass as presented and we'll be the GD laughing stock in the Country as it relates to suppressors! Part of the issue is that Michigan never passed a law with regards to suppressors possession/use, it was an Atty General opinion. Most States that approve possession via statute also address the hunting use at that time and there's no seperate commission to deal with. |
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Actually, Michigan does have a law dealing with suppressors. MCL 750.224. It specifically states that suppressors are legal if you are "licensed by the Secretary of the Treasury of the United States..to possess.." AG Schuette reversed an earlier AG (Kelly I think) erroneous opinion which stated that there was no provision for "licensing" therefore you could not possess. AG Schuette correctly read the law and stated that the intent of the language was that anyone who is approved through the US Treasury/BATF tax stamp process is "licensed".
The problem being that none of Michigan's hunting regulations are handled by legislation. They are all handled by the Commission. So, we will never have a law that deals directly about hunting with suppressors. The Legislature would have to change other laws that give the Commission their authority, and that isn't gonna happen. |
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Actually, Michigan does have a law dealing with suppressors. MCL 750.224. It specifically states that suppressors are legal if you are "licensed by the Secretary of the Treasury of the United States..to possess.." AG Schuette reversed an earlier AG (Kelly I think) erroneous opinion which stated that there was no provision for "licensing" therefore you could not possess. AG Schuette correctly read the law and stated that the intent of the language was that anyone who is approved through the US Treasury/BATF tax stamp process is "licensed". The problem being that none of Michigan's hunting regulations are handled by legislation. They are all handled by the Commission. So, we will never have a law that deals directly about hunting with suppressors. The Legislature would have to change other laws that give the Commission their authority, and that isn't gonna happen. View Quote Thank you for the correction on the AG ruling. Bottom line, these commissioners need to hear of the support for unrestricted passage from every license buying person, every suppressor(s) owner, those that may purchase them in the future or people that just care about hearing protection afield. |
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Email sent.
I'm glad to see this moving forward, but I really hope they remove those two restrictions. |
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Latest update from the ASA
http://americansuppressorassociation.com/blog/ |
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I emailed back on the 15th. Hopefully they do not put those restrictions into place... It's just ridiculous.
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Update:
Got an e-mail from my State Rep that I'm working with on this (Cole 105th) and he included comments from NRC Chairman Matonich. While it was a lengthy e-mail, one of the key things said by the Chairman was all of the commissioners will be attending a suppressor demo put on by the American Suppressor Association before the Feb 11th meeting. I know it's hard to believe, but the chairman also indicated many of the commissiners have not had the opportunity to witness or use suppressors. He also referenced the public comments at the meeting and the e-mails they have received in support of unrestricted use. I commend the ASA for the demo/education they're putting on. I hope this is one more piece of the puzzle to get these ridiculous restrictions overturned but this IS State Gov't so we shall see. |
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Update: Got an e-mail from my State Rep that I'm working with on this (Cole 105th) and he included comments from NRC Chairman Matonich. While it was a lengthy e-mail, one of the key things said by the Chairman was all of the commissioners will be attending a suppressor demo put on by the American Suppressor Association before the Feb 11th meeting. I know it's hard to believe, but the chairman also indicated many of the commissiners have not had the opportunity to witness or use suppressors. He also referenced the public comments at the meeting and the e-mails they have received in support of unrestricted use. I commend the ASA for the demo/education they're putting on. I hope this is one more piece of the puzzle to get these ridiculous restrictions overturned but this IS State Gov't so we shall see. View Quote That's good news. Getting those people to a demo will make a big difference. The majority of people think that they are what they see in movies. |
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Sent a reply and sent the link to all my hunting buddies with a note to send it on to their friends.
Made mention that as a Hunter Safety instructor I'd really like to be able to include it in the class to help the new generation of hunters. |
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Feel free to take my link and text in the OP and spam Facebook and any other forum you are on.
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I called and spoke with a lot of the commissioners. It sounds like they will pass this proposal for use of silencers while hunting. The problem is it sounds like, it could end up with language that won't allow sub sonic ammunition or silencers that reduce sound signature by more than 30 dB . Please call all of the commissioners to have this stupid language removed. Don't just sit there and send only one email. Call and email all of the commissioners please. That is the only way to make them understand what we want. If enough people contact them they will listen. Act now because they will vote February11 on this issue. NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
Christine Crumbaugh 9224 N. Crapo Road St. Louis, MI 48880 989-763-1814 Appointed: 11/20/14 Term Expires: 12/31/18 Louise Klarr 1530 N. Cranbrook Road Bloomfield, MI 48301 248-417-5782 Appointed: 12/28/12 Term Expires: 12/31/16 John Matonich, Chair 9502 Shyre Circle Davison, MI 48423 810-653-4817 Appointed: 7/1/10 Reappointed: 12/31/13 Term Expires: 12/31/17 Tim Nichols 624 Pine Meadow Lane Williamston, MI 48895 313-530-0775 Appointed 5/6/09 Reappointed 12/28/12 Term Expires: 12/31/16 Vicki J. Pontz 879 Lyons Road Portland, MI 48875 517-643-2295 Appointed: 12/31/13 Term Expires: 12/31/19 J. R. Richardson 36658 McGuire Road Ontonagon, MI 49953 906-281-5835 Appointed: 4/6/07 Reappointed: 11/20/14 Term Expires: 12/31/18 Rex E. Schlaybaugh, Jr. 492 East Main Street Harbor Springs, MI 49740 313-377-0152 Appointed: 1/5/12 Term Expires: 12/31/19 |
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This is getting voted on 11 February still? Have the commission members been taken to the suppressor shoot yet and if so does anyone know how it went?
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Today is the day, right? Hopefully this works out in our favor.
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Going off of what the ASA has said I'm going to assume they are correct that it passed with no stipulations.
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Un-provable too But at least it's legal now. I just need to load to 1fps higher
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What about form 1 suppressors? What a bunch of stupid fucking cock sucking sons of bitches!!! I guess I'll just carry around a piece of paper that says it's less than 30db.
Ass holes. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Going to change my post then but it's quite confusing that it was released then changed. Guess it's best to just not wonder why just enjoy that it passed without the dumb shit
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What about form 1 suppressors? What a bunch of stupid fucking cock sucking sons of bitches!!! I guess I'll just carry around a piece of paper that says it's less than 30db. Ass holes. View Quote Ok, did it pass with no restrictions or did they screw it up? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Ok, did it pass with no restrictions or did they screwed it up? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What about form 1 suppressors? What a bunch of stupid fucking cock sucking sons of bitches!!! I guess I'll just carry around a piece of paper that says it's less than 30db. Ass holes. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Ok, did it pass with no restrictions or did they screwed it up? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile American Suppressor Assoc. is reporting that it passed without restriction. |
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Wow, by the time I finished my post and submitted it we now have conflicting info. I just went to the ASA website and didn't see the update. I hope the post that listed it as passing with restrictions is wrong. Haven't found anything on the DNR website either.
I'm not letting my rant go to waste as it was very therapeutic typing it:). So my fucking centerfire can that is advertised as more than 30dB reduction can't be used? Thanks for nothing you Goddamned lefties! How fucking embarrassing for Michigan. It would be great if all mfg's listed the dB reduction for Michigan as 30dB in addition to the other numbers for the 'free' States OR do as SilencerCo does and list only total dB's vs reduction and there's not a damn thing they could do about it! Most modern rimfires are all at least 40dB or more (no doubt to screw us that are forced to use .22's or .22 Mags to hunt coyotes at night). |
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http://sigforum.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&f=380105858&m=7810099653&r=1350088793#1350088793
https://www.facebook.com/americansuppressor/photos/a.263497463716530.62077.260826850650258/1029868470412755/ I don't facebook either, but I copied the link from the SigForum posting |
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View Quote Thanks, I don't do Facebook which is why I didn't see it. |
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Looks like I'll be filling out at least three more Form 1's tomorrow.
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I changed the title!!
THANK YOU EVERYONE THAT HELPED MAKE THIS HAPPEN!!! |
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Here is the LINK to the American Suppressor Association article.
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Here is the language of the email the NRA-ILA just released;
Yesterday, February 11, the Michigan Natural Resources Commission (NRC) voted to repeal the long-standing state prohibition on hunting with legally possessed firearm sound suppressors. With the repeal of Wildlife Conservation Order 2.1(6), Michigan becomes the 38th state to recognize the utility of suppressor technology for law-abiding sportsmen. While several iterations of the rule change were contemplated over the past several months, the NRC ultimately decided that an outright repeal of the prohibition on suppressed hunting was in the best interest of sportsmen in The Great Lakes State. This is a major victory for law-abiding sportsmen in Michigan. In recent years, the use of suppressors has seen significant growth as more shooters and sportsmen learn of their benefits. Evidence has shown that the use of suppressors fosters a safer and more enjoyable shooting and hunting experience for the following reasons:
Your NRA-ILA would like to thank the NRC Commissioners, Michigan Department of Natural Resources, American Suppressor Association (ASA), and the numerous Michiganders who provided public testimony and made phone calls in support of this rule change. |
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Kinda funny...had a MOJO critter show up in the mail yesterday! |
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This is awesome!!!!!
Does this go into affect immediately? Read 2 different things, one saying yes other saying Nov1 |
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Ha! Another pro gun win for us. What's next? Let's get rid of that pistol registration BS.
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