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Posted: 3/27/2015 7:14:00 AM EDT
State Representative Peter J. Lucido (R) Shelby Township has a great idea to solve the problems of Michigan's Roads which will cost the Public Nothing.  Further Money has been piling up in this fund since 1976 and only tapped prior to then  Governor Englers re-election without detracting from Michigans Catastrophic Accident Victims ability to be compensated for Lifetime Medical Care.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3LDEbsXFtA
Link Posted: 3/27/2015 12:27:18 PM EDT
[#1]
How does this not cost us nothing ?

Fuck that !  This comes from the money we over pay on our car insurance and the surplus should be refunded to those who paid into it. Look at your policy and you can see how much your paying for it. Mine says $147.00 per vehicle.

Now its going to turn into a political slush fund for wherever the political winds are blowing.  After they drain it,  you can bet there going to raise that fee claiming theres not enough money to cover the Program that was generating a big surplus in the first place..

Fucking politicians and there backdoor taxes.













Link Posted: 3/27/2015 3:32:04 PM EDT
[#2]
How about this genius concept: Any money you collect for the roads, go to road repair! Stop putting the money into the general fund where it can be squandered on any pet bullshit project. There is plenty of money to fix the roads, its just not going to the damn roads. May any politician supporting this legislation fuck themselves in the ass sideways with a rusty cactus or be found hanging in their closet dead from erotic auto-asphyxiation to gay Peter Pan porn.
Link Posted: 3/27/2015 5:03:56 PM EDT
[#3]
I fully support Plan B.
Link Posted: 3/27/2015 5:27:53 PM EDT
[#4]
Just where are you going to drive your car you had insured and paid registration fees?

Would you be any happier with a 16.67% permanent increase in the Sales Tax? Increased Gas Taxes and   Higher registration fees at the Secretary of State,

Nah...some people would just rather blindly jump through the hoops that some failed CEO of a Governor puts in front of you despite the fact that according to the Mackinac Center for Public Policy has placed the cost at $500 to each house hold.

Michigan currently has the 6th highest gas taxes in the Nation and you now want to pay through the nose for Governor Snyder's Proposal on May 5th?
Link Posted: 3/27/2015 6:08:45 PM EDT
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Just where are you going to drive your car you had insured and paid registration fees?

Would you be any happier with a 16.67% permanent increase in the Sales Tax? Increased Gas Taxes and   Higher registration fees at the Secretary of State,

Nah...some people would just rather blindly jump through the hoops that some failed CEO of a Governor puts in front of you despite the fact that according to the Mackinac Center for Public Policy has placed the cost at $500 to each house hold.

Michigan currently has the 6th highest gas taxes in the Nation and you now want to pay through the nose for Governor Snyder's Proposal on May 5th?
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Plan A is a failure.

Plan B is a failure.

Plan C is stop raising taxes and direct the gas tax we already pay to the roads and cut the fucking pork to pay for any additional money that is needed.



Link Posted: 3/27/2015 9:04:11 PM EDT
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Plan A is a failure.



Plan B is a failure.



Plan C is stop raising taxes and direct the gas tax we already pay to the roads and cut the fucking pork to pay for any additional money that is needed.
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Just where are you going to drive your car you had insured and paid registration fees?



Would you be any happier with a 16.67% permanent increase in the Sales Tax? Increased Gas Taxes and   Higher registration fees at the Secretary of State,



Nah...some people would just rather blindly jump through the hoops that some failed CEO of a Governor puts in front of you despite the fact that according to the Mackinac Center for Public Policy has placed the cost at $500 to each house hold.



Michigan currently has the 6th highest gas taxes in the Nation and you now want to pay through the nose for Governor Snyder's Proposal on May 5th?






Plan A is a failure.



Plan B is a failure.



Plan C is stop raising taxes and direct the gas tax we already pay to the roads and cut the fucking pork to pay for any additional money that is needed.
This.   I want to see an accounting of where all the money they have coming in is going.   I'm willing to bet there would be lots of money after we find out what kind of bullshit they are spending it on now.

 
Link Posted: 3/27/2015 11:22:17 PM EDT
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Plan A is a failure.

Plan B is a failure.

Plan C is stop raising taxes and direct the gas tax we already pay to the roads and cut the fucking pork to pay for any additional money that is needed.
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Just where are you going to drive your car you had insured and paid registration fees?

Would you be any happier with a 16.67% permanent increase in the Sales Tax? Increased Gas Taxes and   Higher registration fees at the Secretary of State,

Nah...some people would just rather blindly jump through the hoops that some failed CEO of a Governor puts in front of you despite the fact that according to the Mackinac Center for Public Policy has placed the cost at $500 to each house hold.

Michigan currently has the 6th highest gas taxes in the Nation and you now want to pay through the nose for Governor Snyder's Proposal on May 5th?



Plan A is a failure.

Plan B is a failure.

Plan C is stop raising taxes and direct the gas tax we already pay to the roads and cut the fucking pork to pay for any additional money that is needed.


Stop making sense, damn you!




Link Posted: 3/28/2015 7:34:17 AM EDT
[#8]
I'm voting for Plan C! I don't vote for any tax increase or any bill longer then one paragraph anymore. Everything in goverment is over complicated just sow they can cover up the fat they add to it.
Link Posted: 3/28/2015 11:59:37 AM EDT
[#9]
Now that Oblammy care is law how about we make the MCVF go away!

Everybody has insurance right
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I like the way you're thinking.



 
Link Posted: 3/29/2015 10:44:57 AM EDT
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As much as I "like" Snyder, I hate the man for how he is always salivating at the mouth to raise taxes.

There are MANY options we can do to pay for the roads that doesn't include RAISING FUCKING TAXES again.

Link Posted: 3/29/2015 12:17:42 PM EDT
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What happened to all the talk about holding the contractors building and repairing the roads accountable for the finished product and enforcing warranties on said work?

Lets see an audit on how the current fuel taxes are being spent and enforce the warranties on the work done or demand repair work that last longer than a season or 3.
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What happened to all the talk about holding the contractors building and repairing the roads accountable for the finished product and enforcing warranties on said work?

Lets see an audit on how the current fuel taxes are being spent and enforce the warranties on the work done or demand repair work that last longer than a season or 3.
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I drive I 96 from Livonia to SW D 5-6 times a week. I am already noticing problems on the road and they just reopened it in the late fall/ early winter.

Also, no one was using their heads, near all the turns over 96 where you make the Michgan left over 96 to go east or west, they planted tree's, bushes, etc..there are going to be massive blind spots where we have to pull into traffic that is hauling ass off of or onto the freeway...

Anyway, I don't think we can take 'fixing' our roads seriosuly until this state gets it's head out of it's ass when it comes to load limits.

Link Posted: 3/29/2015 7:27:37 PM EDT
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This is not GD...VA-gunnut


 
Link Posted: 3/29/2015 7:39:22 PM EDT
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Here is a LINK to CRCMich.org about prop 1.

Statewide Ballot Issue: Proposal 15-1
Sales and Motor Fuel Tax Increases Related to Transportation Funding
March 2015
Report 389


The full analysis of Proposal 2015-1 was amended slightly on March 23, 2015. In the first full paragraph of the second column on page 15 of the report, the original report stated that "... the act also phases in across a three year period a 36.1 percent increase in registration taxes on large trucks weighing over 26,000 pounds." In fact the increases vary depending on the gross vehicle weight of the truck. As noted later in the paragraph, a common 5-axle interstate tractor-trailer registered with an 80,000 pound gross vehicle weight will be subject to a 36.1 percent increase in registration taxes. We have replaced the underlined words in the sentence in question with "an increase" and noted that the increases will vary by gross vehicle weight.

Summary

On May 5, 2015, Michigan voters will be asked to vote on a single statewide ballot measure to amend the state Constitution: Proposal 15-1. Approval of Proposal 15-1 will result in increases in various state taxes, expansion of state tax credits, additional state funds for road repair and maintenance, and additional state funds for public schools and local governments. Of some confusion, perhaps, is that voters are only being asked to directly approve some of these changes; those amending the Constitution. The bulk of the other state tax changes are contained in laws passed last legislative session that would only take effect if Proposal 15-1 is approved.

At the end of the 2013-2014 legislative session, the governor and legislative leaders agreed to a complex plan to address the dual objective of increasing state funding for road repair and maintenance and modifying the taxation of motor fuels to guarantee that all taxes paid at the pump were directed to transportation purposes. Additionally, the plan seeks to ensure that other recipients of state funds are not financially harmed in the pursuit of these two primary goals. By necessity, the plan consists of both constitutional and statutory components.

While the statutory law changes require only legislative and gubernatorial approval, the constitutional changes require approval by the Michigan electorate. However, because the law changes are 'tie-barred' to passage of Proposal 15-1, the public vote effectively serves as a referendum on the entire transportation funding package, both the constitutional and statutory changes. Voters are being asked to directly approve changes to the Constitution and indirectly approve changes in various state laws to implement the complex transportation funding plan.

If voters approve Proposal 15-1, the state Constitution will be amended and various state laws will take effect to increase state tax revenue by nearly $2.1 billion next fiscal year and by $1.8 billion annually in the following two fiscal years. If voters reject Proposal 15-1, there will be no changes to the Constitution and none of the proposed tax changes contained in the state laws linked to the proposal will take effect.

Changes Impacting Road Funding and Transportation

Proposal 15-1 and the various laws tie-barred to the proposal can be divided into three main issues or categories of change. First, the proposal modifies the taxation of gasoline and diesel fuel. This is accomplished by exempting these fuels from the sales tax base and changing how the state per-gallon motor fuel tax is calculated. The combination of these tax changes will likely increase the overall taxes paid at the pump. In combination, these changes are expected to bring in $1.3 billion per year in additional revenue for road repair and maintenance and other transportation purposes. This would be accomplished through statutory and constitutional changes that:

(Changes to the constitution, which require voter approval and are included in Proposal 15-1, are emphasized in blue)

1. Exempt gasoline and diesel fuel used to power vehicles on public roads from the sales and use tax;

2. Increase the state's motor fuel tax rates (currently 19 cents per gallon for gasoline and 15 cents per gallon for diesel fuel) to equal 14.9 percent of the recent wholesale price of each fuel. Initial per-gallon rates would be 41.7 cents for gasoline and 46.4 cents for diesel motor fuel;

3. Establish a floor and ceiling for motor fuel tax rates that allow for annual inflationary increases to the rates and limit the volatility of future rate changes in response to future swings in wholesale fuel prices; and

4. Increase vehicle registration revenues by eliminating the depreciation discount currently given to passenger vehicles in the first few years; increase registration taxes on large trucks; and establish a new registration tax surcharge for electric vehicles.

Changes to Restore Funding from Sales Tax Exemptions

The transportation funding package proposes to eliminate fuel from the base of the sales tax. Portions of the revenues from the sales tax flow into the state's General Fund and others are dedicated to the School Aid Fund and state revenue sharing to local governments. As a result, there would be less state funding available to these programs. The second major category of change associated with Proposal 15-1 and the linked state laws deal with modifications to the sales and use tax rates and how revenue from these taxes is distributed to hold these programs harmless. Because the state Constitution limits the maximum sales tax rate that can be levied, changes involving the tax rate require voter approval. Overall, changes to the sales and use taxes are expected to generate an additional $795 million per year for public schools, local governments, and the General Fund. These changes propose to:

5. Increase the maximum authorized rate of the sales tax from 6 percent to 7 percent;

6. Increase the use tax rate from 6 percent to 7 percent;

7. Dedicate 15 percent of the sales tax revenue collected at a rate of up to 5 percent (currently 4 percent) for per-capita allocations to cities, villages, and townships;

8. Dedicate 60 percent of the sales tax revenue collected at a rate of up to 5 percent (currently 4 percent) to the School Aid Fund; and

9. Dedicate 12.3 percent of the use tax revenue collected at a rate of up to 5 percent to the School Aid Fund (currently no portion of the tax levied at 4 percent is dedicated to the School Aid Fund).

Changes to Ensure Accountability of New Funding and Help those Most Impacted by Tax Increases

Finally, a number of other legislative and constitutional changes are included to address concerns regarding collateral impacts caused by tax increases and changes to revenue distributions. These proposed changes would:

10. Modify the allowable uses of the School Aid Fund to exclude higher education and include public community colleges, career and technical education programs, and certain community college or career and technical education program scholarships;

11. Introduce new road construction and maintenance bidding, warranty, and road design guidelines to help ensure that new road funding is spent efficiently;

12. Increase the state's Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) for low-income tax filers in an effort to help offset the regressive nature of the tax increases; and

13. Expand the state's Homestead Property Tax Credit for very low-income senior citizens and disabled homeowners in an effort to help offset the regressive nature of the tax increases.

Impact on the Public Sector

CRC estimates that Proposal 15-1 will increase sales and use tax revenues by $795 million in Fiscal Year 2016 (FY2016), with slightly less revenue collected in FY2017 and FY2018. The revenue increase will mean additional funding for the School Aid Fund, revenue sharing to local governments, some public transit programs, and the state's General Fund. Net revenue gains from motor fuel tax changes designed to increase road and transportation funding are estimated to be around $1.3 billion in FY2016, with marginally more revenue raised in FY2017 and FY2018. For the first two years, $860 million and $460 million, respectively, of the additional revenue is dedicated by law to pay down past state transportation borrowing and the remaining funds will be allocated to state and local road agencies and public transit programs through the transportation distribution formula. Initial indications are that these new revenues are viewed by state policymakers as easing pressures on the state�s General Fund by allowing funds currently appropriated for transportation improvements to be redirected to other purposes. This could result in a net gain of less than $1.3 billion.

Impact on Michigan Citizens

How Proposal 15-1 and related legislation impact the amount motorists pay at the pump will depend on the price of fuel. At current prices (roughly $2.40 per gallon in March 2015), constitutional and legislative changes would result in a 10.2 cent increase in the per-gallon price of gasoline with the tax rates to be levied in FY2016. Perhaps counter-intuitively, as the price of gasoline increases the difference between what consumers pay under the current system and what they would pay under the proposed system shrinks. For example, if per-gallon gasoline prices rise to $3.85 during FY2016, consumers will only pay 2.1 cents per gallon more under Proposal 15-1 Michigan�s citizens will also be obliged to pay a seven percent sales tax on goods subject to the tax; a one percentage point increase from the current rate of six percent. The impact of this will vary by individual but sales taxes tend to have a greater cost impact on lower-income individuals and families who spend proportionally more of their income on taxed goods than higher-income individuals and families. Therefore, the proposal includes an increase in the state�s Earned Income Tax Credit as well as the Homestead Property Tax Credit for very low income seniors and disabled homeowners.
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Statewide Ballot Issue: Proposal 15-1
Sales and Motor Fuel Tax Increases Related to Transportation Funding
March 2015
Report 389


The full analysis of Proposal 2015-1 was amended slightly on March 23, 2015. In the first full paragraph of the second column on page 15 of the report, the original report stated that "... the act also phases in across a three year period a 36.1 percent increase in registration taxes on large trucks weighing over 26,000 pounds." In fact the increases vary depending on the gross vehicle weight of the truck. As noted later in the paragraph, a common 5-axle interstate tractor-trailer registered with an 80,000 pound gross vehicle weight will be subject to a 36.1 percent increase in registration taxes. We have replaced the underlined words in the sentence in question with "an increase" and noted that the increases will vary by gross vehicle weight.

Summary

On May 5, 2015, Michigan voters will be asked to vote on a single statewide ballot measure to amend the state Constitution: Proposal 15-1. Approval of Proposal 15-1 will result in increases in various state taxes, expansion of state tax credits, additional state funds for road repair and maintenance, and additional state funds for public schools and local governments. Of some confusion, perhaps, is that voters are only being asked to directly approve some of these changes; those amending the Constitution. The bulk of the other state tax changes are contained in laws passed last legislative session that would only take effect if Proposal 15-1 is approved.

At the end of the 2013-2014 legislative session, the governor and legislative leaders agreed to a complex plan to address the dual objective of increasing state funding for road repair and maintenance and modifying the taxation of motor fuels to guarantee that all taxes paid at the pump were directed to transportation purposes. Additionally, the plan seeks to ensure that other recipients of state funds are not financially harmed in the pursuit of these two primary goals. By necessity, the plan consists of both constitutional and statutory components.

While the statutory law changes require only legislative and gubernatorial approval, the constitutional changes require approval by the Michigan electorate. However, because the law changes are 'tie-barred' to passage of Proposal 15-1, the public vote effectively serves as a referendum on the entire transportation funding package, both the constitutional and statutory changes. Voters are being asked to directly approve changes to the Constitution and indirectly approve changes in various state laws to implement the complex transportation funding plan.

If voters approve Proposal 15-1, the state Constitution will be amended and various state laws will take effect to increase state tax revenue by nearly $2.1 billion next fiscal year and by $1.8 billion annually in the following two fiscal years. If voters reject Proposal 15-1, there will be no changes to the Constitution and none of the proposed tax changes contained in the state laws linked to the proposal will take effect.

Changes Impacting Road Funding and Transportation

Proposal 15-1 and the various laws tie-barred to the proposal can be divided into three main issues or categories of change. First, the proposal modifies the taxation of gasoline and diesel fuel. This is accomplished by exempting these fuels from the sales tax base and changing how the state per-gallon motor fuel tax is calculated. The combination of these tax changes will likely increase the overall taxes paid at the pump. In combination, these changes are expected to bring in $1.3 billion per year in additional revenue for road repair and maintenance and other transportation purposes. This would be accomplished through statutory and constitutional changes that:

(Changes to the constitution, which require voter approval and are included in Proposal 15-1, are emphasized in blue)

1. Exempt gasoline and diesel fuel used to power vehicles on public roads from the sales and use tax;

2. Increase the state's motor fuel tax rates (currently 19 cents per gallon for gasoline and 15 cents per gallon for diesel fuel) to equal 14.9 percent of the recent wholesale price of each fuel. Initial per-gallon rates would be 41.7 cents for gasoline and 46.4 cents for diesel motor fuel;

3. Establish a floor and ceiling for motor fuel tax rates that allow for annual inflationary increases to the rates and limit the volatility of future rate changes in response to future swings in wholesale fuel prices; and

4. Increase vehicle registration revenues by eliminating the depreciation discount currently given to passenger vehicles in the first few years; increase registration taxes on large trucks; and establish a new registration tax surcharge for electric vehicles.

Changes to Restore Funding from Sales Tax Exemptions

The transportation funding package proposes to eliminate fuel from the base of the sales tax. Portions of the revenues from the sales tax flow into the state's General Fund and others are dedicated to the School Aid Fund and state revenue sharing to local governments. As a result, there would be less state funding available to these programs. The second major category of change associated with Proposal 15-1 and the linked state laws deal with modifications to the sales and use tax rates and how revenue from these taxes is distributed to hold these programs harmless. Because the state Constitution limits the maximum sales tax rate that can be levied, changes involving the tax rate require voter approval. Overall, changes to the sales and use taxes are expected to generate an additional $795 million per year for public schools, local governments, and the General Fund. These changes propose to:

5. Increase the maximum authorized rate of the sales tax from 6 percent to 7 percent;

6. Increase the use tax rate from 6 percent to 7 percent;

7. Dedicate 15 percent of the sales tax revenue collected at a rate of up to 5 percent (currently 4 percent) for per-capita allocations to cities, villages, and townships;

8. Dedicate 60 percent of the sales tax revenue collected at a rate of up to 5 percent (currently 4 percent) to the School Aid Fund; and

9. Dedicate 12.3 percent of the use tax revenue collected at a rate of up to 5 percent to the School Aid Fund (currently no portion of the tax levied at 4 percent is dedicated to the School Aid Fund).

Changes to Ensure Accountability of New Funding and Help those Most Impacted by Tax Increases

Finally, a number of other legislative and constitutional changes are included to address concerns regarding collateral impacts caused by tax increases and changes to revenue distributions. These proposed changes would:

10. Modify the allowable uses of the School Aid Fund to exclude higher education and include public community colleges, career and technical education programs, and certain community college or career and technical education program scholarships;

11. Introduce new road construction and maintenance bidding, warranty, and road design guidelines to help ensure that new road funding is spent efficiently;

12. Increase the state's Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) for low-income tax filers in an effort to help offset the regressive nature of the tax increases; and

13. Expand the state's Homestead Property Tax Credit for very low-income senior citizens and disabled homeowners in an effort to help offset the regressive nature of the tax increases.

Impact on the Public Sector

CRC estimates that Proposal 15-1 will increase sales and use tax revenues by $795 million in Fiscal Year 2016 (FY2016), with slightly less revenue collected in FY2017 and FY2018. The revenue increase will mean additional funding for the School Aid Fund, revenue sharing to local governments, some public transit programs, and the state's General Fund. Net revenue gains from motor fuel tax changes designed to increase road and transportation funding are estimated to be around $1.3 billion in FY2016, with marginally more revenue raised in FY2017 and FY2018. For the first two years, $860 million and $460 million, respectively, of the additional revenue is dedicated by law to pay down past state transportation borrowing and the remaining funds will be allocated to state and local road agencies and public transit programs through the transportation distribution formula. Initial indications are that these new revenues are viewed by state policymakers as easing pressures on the state�s General Fund by allowing funds currently appropriated for transportation improvements to be redirected to other purposes. This could result in a net gain of less than $1.3 billion.

Impact on Michigan Citizens

How Proposal 15-1 and related legislation impact the amount motorists pay at the pump will depend on the price of fuel. At current prices (roughly $2.40 per gallon in March 2015), constitutional and legislative changes would result in a 10.2 cent increase in the per-gallon price of gasoline with the tax rates to be levied in FY2016. Perhaps counter-intuitively, as the price of gasoline increases the difference between what consumers pay under the current system and what they would pay under the proposed system shrinks. For example, if per-gallon gasoline prices rise to $3.85 during FY2016, consumers will only pay 2.1 cents per gallon more under Proposal 15-1 Michigan�s citizens will also be obliged to pay a seven percent sales tax on goods subject to the tax; a one percentage point increase from the current rate of six percent. The impact of this will vary by individual but sales taxes tend to have a greater cost impact on lower-income individuals and families who spend proportionally more of their income on taxed goods than higher-income individuals and families. Therefore, the proposal includes an increase in the state�s Earned Income Tax Credit as well as the Homestead Property Tax Credit for very low income seniors and disabled homeowners.







This is just another one of a dozen analysis that doesn't take into account the gas station markup, or adequately explain that if tax was in effect before the crash of oil prices, than the gas tax would have only dropped 5% while the wholesale price dropped by 50%.


 Not one analysis even mentions that all gas tax increases incurred by businesses will be passed on to you the taxpayers in the form of higher shipping costs. That 36.1% increase on commercial trucks plus higher diesel tax is going to get jammed right up your ass. This magnifies the tax increase as we all know that everything get shipped to the stores by truck.

So watch as your food prices, clothes, ammo, and everything you purchase increase. And don't forget about that sales tax increase in your cable bill, phone bill, internet bill, heat and electric bill, ETC...ETC.....ETC...........

If you are not registered to vote by the end of the day April 6th, than you cant vote on this May 5.





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This is just another one of a dozen analysis that doesn't take into account the gas station markup, or adequately explain that if tax was in effect before the crash of oil prices, than the gas tax would have only dropped 5% while the wholesale price dropped by 50%.


 Not one analysis even mentions that all gas tax increases incurred by businesses will be passed on to you the taxpayers in the form of higher shipping costs. That 36.1% increase on commercial trucks plus higher diesel tax is going to get jammed right up your ass. This magnifies the tax increase as we all know that everything get shipped to the stores by truck.

So watch as your food prices, clothes, ammo, and everything you purchase increase. And don't forget about that sales tax increase in your cable bill, phone bill, internet bill, heat and electric bill, ETC...ETC.....ETC...........

If you are not registered to vote by the end of the day April 6th, than you cant vote on this May 5.





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Statewide Ballot Issue: Proposal 15-1
Sales and Motor Fuel Tax Increases Related to Transportation Funding
March 2015
Report 389


The full analysis of Proposal 2015-1 was amended slightly on March 23, 2015. In the first full paragraph of the second column on page 15 of the report, the original report stated that "... the act also phases in across a three year period a 36.1 percent increase in registration taxes on large trucks weighing over 26,000 pounds." In fact the increases vary depending on the gross vehicle weight of the truck. As noted later in the paragraph, a common 5-axle interstate tractor-trailer registered with an 80,000 pound gross vehicle weight will be subject to a 36.1 percent increase in registration taxes. We have replaced the underlined words in the sentence in question with "an increase" and noted that the increases will vary by gross vehicle weight.

Summary

On May 5, 2015, Michigan voters will be asked to vote on a single statewide ballot measure to amend the state Constitution: Proposal 15-1. Approval of Proposal 15-1 will result in increases in various state taxes, expansion of state tax credits, additional state funds for road repair and maintenance, and additional state funds for public schools and local governments. Of some confusion, perhaps, is that voters are only being asked to directly approve some of these changes; those amending the Constitution. The bulk of the other state tax changes are contained in laws passed last legislative session that would only take effect if Proposal 15-1 is approved.

At the end of the 2013-2014 legislative session, the governor and legislative leaders agreed to a complex plan to address the dual objective of increasing state funding for road repair and maintenance and modifying the taxation of motor fuels to guarantee that all taxes paid at the pump were directed to transportation purposes. Additionally, the plan seeks to ensure that other recipients of state funds are not financially harmed in the pursuit of these two primary goals. By necessity, the plan consists of both constitutional and statutory components.

While the statutory law changes require only legislative and gubernatorial approval, the constitutional changes require approval by the Michigan electorate. However, because the law changes are 'tie-barred' to passage of Proposal 15-1, the public vote effectively serves as a referendum on the entire transportation funding package, both the constitutional and statutory changes. Voters are being asked to directly approve changes to the Constitution and indirectly approve changes in various state laws to implement the complex transportation funding plan.

If voters approve Proposal 15-1, the state Constitution will be amended and various state laws will take effect to increase state tax revenue by nearly $2.1 billion next fiscal year and by $1.8 billion annually in the following two fiscal years. If voters reject Proposal 15-1, there will be no changes to the Constitution and none of the proposed tax changes contained in the state laws linked to the proposal will take effect.

Changes Impacting Road Funding and Transportation

Proposal 15-1 and the various laws tie-barred to the proposal can be divided into three main issues or categories of change. First, the proposal modifies the taxation of gasoline and diesel fuel. This is accomplished by exempting these fuels from the sales tax base and changing how the state per-gallon motor fuel tax is calculated. The combination of these tax changes will likely increase the overall taxes paid at the pump. In combination, these changes are expected to bring in $1.3 billion per year in additional revenue for road repair and maintenance and other transportation purposes. This would be accomplished through statutory and constitutional changes that:

(Changes to the constitution, which require voter approval and are included in Proposal 15-1, are emphasized in blue)

1. Exempt gasoline and diesel fuel used to power vehicles on public roads from the sales and use tax;

2. Increase the state's motor fuel tax rates (currently 19 cents per gallon for gasoline and 15 cents per gallon for diesel fuel) to equal 14.9 percent of the recent wholesale price of each fuel. Initial per-gallon rates would be 41.7 cents for gasoline and 46.4 cents for diesel motor fuel;

3. Establish a floor and ceiling for motor fuel tax rates that allow for annual inflationary increases to the rates and limit the volatility of future rate changes in response to future swings in wholesale fuel prices; and

4. Increase vehicle registration revenues by eliminating the depreciation discount currently given to passenger vehicles in the first few years; increase registration taxes on large trucks; and establish a new registration tax surcharge for electric vehicles.

Changes to Restore Funding from Sales Tax Exemptions

The transportation funding package proposes to eliminate fuel from the base of the sales tax. Portions of the revenues from the sales tax flow into the state's General Fund and others are dedicated to the School Aid Fund and state revenue sharing to local governments. As a result, there would be less state funding available to these programs. The second major category of change associated with Proposal 15-1 and the linked state laws deal with modifications to the sales and use tax rates and how revenue from these taxes is distributed to hold these programs harmless. Because the state Constitution limits the maximum sales tax rate that can be levied, changes involving the tax rate require voter approval. Overall, changes to the sales and use taxes are expected to generate an additional $795 million per year for public schools, local governments, and the General Fund. These changes propose to:

5. Increase the maximum authorized rate of the sales tax from 6 percent to 7 percent;

6. Increase the use tax rate from 6 percent to 7 percent;

7. Dedicate 15 percent of the sales tax revenue collected at a rate of up to 5 percent (currently 4 percent) for per-capita allocations to cities, villages, and townships;

8. Dedicate 60 percent of the sales tax revenue collected at a rate of up to 5 percent (currently 4 percent) to the School Aid Fund; and

9. Dedicate 12.3 percent of the use tax revenue collected at a rate of up to 5 percent to the School Aid Fund (currently no portion of the tax levied at 4 percent is dedicated to the School Aid Fund).

Changes to Ensure Accountability of New Funding and Help those Most Impacted by Tax Increases

Finally, a number of other legislative and constitutional changes are included to address concerns regarding collateral impacts caused by tax increases and changes to revenue distributions. These proposed changes would:

10. Modify the allowable uses of the School Aid Fund to exclude higher education and include public community colleges, career and technical education programs, and certain community college or career and technical education program scholarships;

11. Introduce new road construction and maintenance bidding, warranty, and road design guidelines to help ensure that new road funding is spent efficiently;

12. Increase the state's Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) for low-income tax filers in an effort to help offset the regressive nature of the tax increases; and

13. Expand the state's Homestead Property Tax Credit for very low-income senior citizens and disabled homeowners in an effort to help offset the regressive nature of the tax increases.

Impact on the Public Sector

CRC estimates that Proposal 15-1 will increase sales and use tax revenues by $795 million in Fiscal Year 2016 (FY2016), with slightly less revenue collected in FY2017 and FY2018. The revenue increase will mean additional funding for the School Aid Fund, revenue sharing to local governments, some public transit programs, and the state's General Fund. Net revenue gains from motor fuel tax changes designed to increase road and transportation funding are estimated to be around $1.3 billion in FY2016, with marginally more revenue raised in FY2017 and FY2018. For the first two years, $860 million and $460 million, respectively, of the additional revenue is dedicated by law to pay down past state transportation borrowing and the remaining funds will be allocated to state and local road agencies and public transit programs through the transportation distribution formula. Initial indications are that these new revenues are viewed by state policymakers as easing pressures on the state�s General Fund by allowing funds currently appropriated for transportation improvements to be redirected to other purposes. This could result in a net gain of less than $1.3 billion.

Impact on Michigan Citizens

How Proposal 15-1 and related legislation impact the amount motorists pay at the pump will depend on the price of fuel. At current prices (roughly $2.40 per gallon in March 2015), constitutional and legislative changes would result in a 10.2 cent increase in the per-gallon price of gasoline with the tax rates to be levied in FY2016. Perhaps counter-intuitively, as the price of gasoline increases the difference between what consumers pay under the current system and what they would pay under the proposed system shrinks. For example, if per-gallon gasoline prices rise to $3.85 during FY2016, consumers will only pay 2.1 cents per gallon more under Proposal 15-1 Michigan�s citizens will also be obliged to pay a seven percent sales tax on goods subject to the tax; a one percentage point increase from the current rate of six percent. The impact of this will vary by individual but sales taxes tend to have a greater cost impact on lower-income individuals and families who spend proportionally more of their income on taxed goods than higher-income individuals and families. Therefore, the proposal includes an increase in the state�s Earned Income Tax Credit as well as the Homestead Property Tax Credit for very low income seniors and disabled homeowners.







This is just another one of a dozen analysis that doesn't take into account the gas station markup, or adequately explain that if tax was in effect before the crash of oil prices, than the gas tax would have only dropped 5% while the wholesale price dropped by 50%.


 Not one analysis even mentions that all gas tax increases incurred by businesses will be passed on to you the taxpayers in the form of higher shipping costs. That 36.1% increase on commercial trucks plus higher diesel tax is going to get jammed right up your ass. This magnifies the tax increase as we all know that everything get shipped to the stores by truck.

So watch as your food prices, clothes, ammo, and everything you purchase increase. And don't forget about that sales tax increase in your cable bill, phone bill, internet bill, heat and electric bill, ETC...ETC.....ETC...........

If you are not registered to vote by the end of the day April 6th, than you cant vote on this May 5.









And along with that, the state will collect even more sales tax.  
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Plan A is a failure.

Plan B is a failure.

Plan C is stop raising taxes and direct the gas tax we already pay to the roads and cut the fucking pork to pay for any additional money that is needed.



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Just where are you going to drive your car you had insured and paid registration fees?

Would you be any happier with a 16.67% permanent increase in the Sales Tax? Increased Gas Taxes and   Higher registration fees at the Secretary of State,

Nah...some people would just rather blindly jump through the hoops that some failed CEO of a Governor puts in front of you despite the fact that according to the Mackinac Center for Public Policy has placed the cost at $500 to each house hold.

Michigan currently has the 6th highest gas taxes in the Nation and you now want to pay through the nose for Governor Snyder's Proposal on May 5th?



Plan A is a failure.

Plan B is a failure.

Plan C is stop raising taxes and direct the gas tax we already pay to the roads and cut the fucking pork to pay for any additional money that is needed.






Too much logic in this post.  I don't think politicians will be able to comprehend something so simple and logical.
Link Posted: 4/3/2015 8:41:47 AM EDT
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I know many hate FB, but whenever Prop 1 is mentioned, SO MUCH backlash against it.

Good.

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12. Increase the state's Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) for low-income
tax filers in an effort to help offset the regressive nature of the tax
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You have got to be frigging kidding me!!!!    Lets help ease the tax burden on those who are already getting paid to do nothing.


Link Posted: 4/5/2015 9:24:15 PM EDT
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Snyder's proposed tax increase on gas before the November election was reportedly going to make Michigan's gas tax the highest in the nation.

I did some reading some months ago to find out where our current gas taxes go and it appeared that they went to funding schools, the general fund and some kind of slush fund with only some amount actually designated for roads.  Don't remember the actual breakdown.

I will be voting no on the proposal as it appeared that much money still won't go to repair roads but to pay off bonds already obtained for prior road work (debt).  I don't trust the powers that be to ever do anything for roads where I live up north.
Link Posted: 4/8/2015 2:16:23 PM EDT
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mlive.com has been in the tank for Snyder over prop 1, I was on their site today. Seems like EVERYONE there was calling mlive out over their support and VERY opposed to prop 1.

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Plan B is a failure.



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Just where are you going to drive your car you had insured and paid registration fees?



Would you be any happier with a 16.67% permanent increase in the Sales Tax? Increased Gas Taxes and   Higher registration fees at the Secretary of State,



Nah...some people would just rather blindly jump through the hoops that some failed CEO of a Governor puts in front of you despite the fact that according to the Mackinac Center for Public Policy has placed the cost at $500 to each house hold.



Michigan currently has the 6th highest gas taxes in the Nation and you now want to pay through the nose for Governor Snyder's Proposal on May 5th?






Plan A is a failure.



Plan B is a failure.



Plan C is stop raising taxes and direct the gas tax we already pay to the roads and cut the fucking pork to pay for any additional money that is needed.
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Link Posted: 4/12/2015 10:59:22 PM EDT
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I was listening to John McCulloch on the radio last week. He is against this proposal btw. Anyhoo the expert he was interviewing on the radio explained how NONE of the money currently being collected via our gas/road tax currently goes toward fixing and maintaining our roads.

Like it has been said here. Re-allocate all the money currently collected via our gas tax to fixing and maintaining our roads, how can it get more simple than that? The people who scream that it'll take money away from schools are disingenuous.. The money goes into the general fund, which funds schools, not directly funding public education. The money shouldn't have been taken away from the roads in the first place.

This tax increase is madness. Who in their right mind would willfully raise taxes for roads knowing that the current road taxes don't go toward roads? A shining example of this insanity is that under this proposal, a lot of the money collected by the new and raised taxes are already earmarked to go to fund something other than roads!

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I was listening to John McCulloch on the radio last week. He is against this proposal btw. Anyhoo the expert he was interviewing on the radio explained how NONE of the money currently being collected via our gas/road tax currently goes toward fixing and maintaining our roads.

Like it has been said here. Re-allocate all the money currently collected via our gas tax to fixing and maintaining our roads, how can it get more simple than that? The people who scream that it'll take money away from schools are disingenuous.. The money goes into the general fund, which funds schools, not directly funding public education. The money shouldn't have been taken away from the roads in the first place.

This tax increase is madness. Who in their right mind would willfully raise taxes for roads knowing that the current road taxes don't go toward roads? A shining example of this insanity is that under this proposal, a lot of the money collected by the new and raised taxes are already earmarked to go to fund something other than roads!

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Exactly!  Prop 1 is Snyder's idea of the fuel for his " Big Government Wet Dream"   This is why Plan B is a good idea as the Insurance Industry has over funded the Catastrophic Claims Fund.  Plan B is a one shot deal that will fix the roads, not short those who have had a Catastrophic Accident and will not fuel the growth of Government.
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The Michigan catastrophic claims association is a private non-profit unincorporated association.

Lansing couldn't touch if they wanted to.

I'd love to see it but it isn't going to happen.
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Well Lansing created it and even Public and Insurance Industry Executives conceded that through Legislation Lansing could touch it if they wanted.
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Well Lansing created it and even Public and Insurance Industry Executives conceded that through Legislation Lansing could touch it if they wanted.
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Lansing couldn't touch if they wanted to.

I'd love to see it but it isn't going to happen.


Well Lansing created it and even Public and Insurance Industry Executives conceded that through Legislation Lansing could touch it if they wanted.


Possibly executives with no ties to the fund.

Through legislation are the key words. With the big money from insurance backing legislators it would never make off the floor.
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Possibly executives with no ties to the fund.

Through legislation are the key words. With the big money from insurance backing legislators it would never make off the floor.
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The Michigan catastrophic claims association is a private non-profit unincorporated association.

Lansing couldn't touch if they wanted to.

I'd love to see it but it isn't going to happen.


Well Lansing created it and even Public and Insurance Industry Executives conceded that through Legislation Lansing could touch it if they wanted.


Possibly executives with no ties to the fund.

Through legislation are the key words. With the big money from insurance backing legislators it would never make off the floor.



Well one has to admit the Monies exist in that fund.  The CCF is overfunded and one has to ask even with all the $$$$$ the Insurance Companies may trot out there is one question that remains when Proposal 2015-1 goes down.  Specifically what is a legislator to do when faced with an option of taking the interest and some funds from the CCA  or handing the Public a Permanent Tax increase.  

The Pols understand that the NRA Spends a lot of $$$$$ but their members vote and will punish those who oppose its Agenda...Just how many votes will the Insurance Companies be able trot out when Taxpayers are pissed about a new and Avoidable Tax increased being shoved up their rectum?
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Well one has to admit the Monies exist in that fund.  The CCF is overfunded and one has to ask even with all the $$$$$ the Insurance Companies may trot out there is one question that remains when Proposal 2015-1 goes down.  Specifically what is a legislator to do when faced with an option of taking the interest and some funds from the CCA  or handing the Public a Permanent Tax increase.  

The Pols understand that the NRA Spends a lot of $$$$$ but their members vote and will punish those who oppose its Agenda...Just how many votes will the Insurance Companies be able trot out when Taxpayers are pissed about a new and Avoidable Tax increased being shoved up their rectum?
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The Michigan catastrophic claims association is a private non-profit unincorporated association.

Lansing couldn't touch if they wanted to.

I'd love to see it but it isn't going to happen.


Well Lansing created it and even Public and Insurance Industry Executives conceded that through Legislation Lansing could touch it if they wanted.


Possibly executives with no ties to the fund.

Through legislation are the key words. With the big money from insurance backing legislators it would never make off the floor.



Well one has to admit the Monies exist in that fund.  The CCF is overfunded and one has to ask even with all the $$$$$ the Insurance Companies may trot out there is one question that remains when Proposal 2015-1 goes down.  Specifically what is a legislator to do when faced with an option of taking the interest and some funds from the CCA  or handing the Public a Permanent Tax increase.  

The Pols understand that the NRA Spends a lot of $$$$$ but their members vote and will punish those who oppose its Agenda...Just how many votes will the Insurance Companies be able trot out when Taxpayers are pissed about a new and Avoidable Tax increased being shoved up their rectum?



Fair point.

I hope you are right
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Yup.  I've been sharing the "Vote No on Prop 1" posts like crazy.  It's about 90% of my FB posting.  I hope it fails big!
Link Posted: 4/26/2015 7:41:13 PM EDT
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If I remember right, the state house passed and sent to the state senate a bill that would fix and fund the roads without raising taxes.

However the state senate and Snyder rejected it if favor of increasing gas taxes, Plus raising the sales tax to pay for there fiscal incompetence in office.  After all they found $10.4 billion of your tax dollars for corporate welfare, but cant find 1.6 billion to fix the roads.

This cluster fuck is the compromise  there trying to shove up your ass and then claim there not the ones who raised your taxes.





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Has anyone else seen the Karl Lenin commercials?

Speaks volumes about Snyder.
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