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Posted: 7/2/2015 4:42:56 PM EDT
And if Metro Council gets the General Assembly to play ball it may be coming to a community near you.
There are two competing ordinances on the council's agenda. ORDINANCE NO. BL2015-1139 For all residential development in Davidson County, including new construction, renovation of existing developments, and the conversion of rental property to for-purchase, not less than fourteen percent of the units in such residential development shall be reserved and used for Affordable Housing and/or Workforce Housing. View Quote That is basically a 14% tax on new development and renovations, whether it is paid by allocating units in the development to low income or by paying an equivalent fee. ORDINANCE NO. BL2015-1147 Section 4. In preparing the amendment to the Metropolitan Zoning Code, the Metropolitan Planning Department shall, at a minimum, consider the following:
1. The necessary percentage of units in all new residential development in Davidson County, including new construction, renovation of existing developments, and the conversion of rental property to for-purchase, that should be designated for Affordable Housing and/or Workforce Housing in order to achieve the intent and purpose set forth in Section 3 of this Ordinance. 2. Whether there should be a minimum project size that is required to provide Affordable Housing and/or Workforce Housing. 3. Whether any residentially-zoned land or proposed projects should be “grandfathered” in and not be required to provide Affordable Housing and/or Workforce Housing. 4. What should the income eligibility and target population for the Affordable Housing and/or Workforce Housing be? 5. Whether there should be a limit on the period of time that the units should remain Affordable Housing and/or Workforce Housing, and/or the conditions under which Workforce Housing units may be sold or re-sold, and who is entitled to the increased equity. 6. Whether developers should be offered cost offsets, for example, such as a density bonus or the waiver of certain fees to assist developers in recuperating the cost of providing the Affordable Housing and/or Workforce Housing. 7. Whether developers should be offered a “cash in lieu of building” option, with any such payments being deposited in the Barnes Fund for Affordable Housing, or any successor fund. 8. Whether there should be reduced Affordable Housing and/or Workforce Housing requirements for new high rise residential construction made primarily with steel and concrete. 9. Whether an option should be provided to build the affordable and/or workforce housing units within a different development, up to one mile from or up to three miles along the same transit corridor as the development that triggers the affordable and/or workforce housing requirement. 10. Any other technical or administrative details needed to provide affordable or workforce housing. View Quote This one would have the planning commission do a study to answer the above questions (and let the council then take action on the result) But wait, there's more! This is where it goes beyond Davidson County. RESOLUTION NO. RS2015-1496 - "A resolution requesting the Davidson County Delegation to the Tennessee General Assembly to introduce and support the necessary legislation to clearly authorize the Metropolitan Government to issue public obligation bonds for the purpose of providing funds for affordable housing." In essence, Metro Council wants to borrow money to fund their affordable housing plan, but they lack the authority under Tennessee Code to issue bonds for such a purpose. RESOLUTION NO. RS2015-1516 - "A resolution requesting the Davidson County Delegation to the Tennessee General Assembly to introduce and support an amendment to T.C.A. § 66-35-102 to allow the Metropolitan Government to enact inclusionary zoning legislation to ensure sufficient affordable rental housing units are available in Davidson County." This would repeal the existing prohibition on rent control in Tennessee. In other words, if Metro gets what it wants all municipalities in TN would be free to get into the rent control game. For those of you outside of Davidson County, please ask your general assembly delegation to oppose the efforts to repeal our rent control prohibition and to allow municipal governments to issue bonds for the purpose of borrowing money to spend on this. For those of you inside Davidson County, if this passes property values will go up, taxes will go up, and new neighborhoods and/or renovations will be forced to either pay a high fee to opt out or to integrate public housing into each development. I'm sure that's going to go over well in the Gulch. |
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And some people wonder why so many people try to do stuff without bothering with permits.
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Affordable housing? WTF is that?
Here's an excerpt from the book Mig Pilot. I think more "dumb" Americans need to socialize with immigrants from communist countries and learn the evils of their thinking. On the road again, he stopped and talked casually with strangers in small Kentucky and Missouri towns; some revelations congealed in his thoughts. Many Americans would rather live in small towns or the country. Why? Because in many ways life is easier and better for them. They don't have to go to the city to buy food and clothes. The government doesn't allocate supplies first to some cities, second to others, third to the small towns, and fourth to the sticks. And where are all the criminals? Where are the fences? Why, in Rubtsovsk or Omsk or Salsk, if you didn't have high fences around houses like the ones everyone lives in here, and dogs, too, the criminals would loot everything! The Americans, they complain about crime. They don't know what crime really is. Let someone strip the clothes and underwear off their wives or daughters at knifepoint in broad daylight on a street corner just so they can sell those clothes and underwear, and they will begin to understand crime. In Kansas City, Belenko visited the farmers' market, the greatest, most dazzling assemblage of food and produce he had ever seen, and all so cheap. No residual doubts or reservations could withstand the sight. Before his eyes stretched the final, conclusive proof. No, this system works. They can produce enough food for ten countries, for twenty countries if they want. If anybody goes hungry in this country, he's just stupid. From the market he wandered into a seedy section of the inner city and there at last found it - something just like in the Soviet Union: a stinking, dark bar crowded with bleary-eyed, unshaved, unkempt drunks growing drunker on beer and cheap rye whiskey. Ah, he knew them well; he had seen them all his life. What he had seen in America usually seemed initially like a mirage; this was real, and he was quite at home. Sipping a beer, he questioned the bartender. Where do these men work? How do they get off from their jobs in the day? How much do they earn? The bartender, after a fashion, explained the unemployment compensation, welfare, and food stamp programs. What! You mean in this country you don't have to work even if there is a job for you! You mean the government pays you and gives you food so you can be a deadbeat and sit around and drink all day! Why, the Americans have done it! They have built True Communism! It's just like 1980! Walking from the bar along a deserted street at dusk, Belenko recognized trouble ahead. Two thugs were eyeing him, wavering in their judgment as to whether they could take him. He knew them well, too. Rather than wait for them, he ran at them and belligerently demanded directions to his motel, which in their surprise they gave. "How about giving us a quarter?" one said. "My pockets are full of quarters. But not one quarter I have says deadbeat on it." They turned away, maybe sensing they were confronted by someone who hungered to hit them. |
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TnMike,
Is that from a book, and if so would you mind posting a link? |
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Affordable housing? WTF is that? View Quote Should be something like this, but it probably means something like houses in the 1,200 to 1,800 square foot range, that will be sold/managed through something vaguely similar to section 8 housing. Don't want it in your development? Then pay a fine, and pass the cost of that fine on to the people that buy houses in your development. Nashville government just keeps getting worse and worse. |
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TnMike, Is that from a book, and if so would you mind posting a link? View Quote Yes, it's from the book Mig Pilot. Great book and true story. I've been hitting up Mckays every so often as I need a replacement for my copy that has gone missing. http://www.rulit.me/books/mig-pilot-the-final-escape-of-lt-belenko-read-233675-52.html |
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Yes, it's from the book Mig Pilot. Great book and true story. I've been hitting up Mckays every so often as I need a replacement for my copy that has gone missing. http://www.rulit.me/books/mig-pilot-the-final-escape-of-lt-belenko-read-233675-52.html View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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TnMike, Is that from a book, and if so would you mind posting a link? Yes, it's from the book Mig Pilot. Great book and true story. I've been hitting up Mckays every so often as I need a replacement for my copy that has gone missing. http://www.rulit.me/books/mig-pilot-the-final-escape-of-lt-belenko-read-233675-52.html Is the entire book available on that site? Is it available on Amazon? |
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TnMike, Is that from a book, and if so would you mind posting a link? Yes, it's from the book Mig Pilot. Great book and true story. I've been hitting up Mckays every so often as I need a replacement for my copy that has gone missing. http://www.rulit.me/books/mig-pilot-the-final-escape-of-lt-belenko-read-233675-52.html Is the entire book available on that site? Is it available on Amazon? Not sure about the 1st question, however Amazon does have used copies starting at less than $9. |
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Head's up - the public hearing for one of the bills and third reading for the other one is TOMORROW @ 6:30PM.
If you have an opinion you might want to show up at the Metro Council hearing. |
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]For all residential development in Davidson County, including new construction, renovation of existing developments, and the conversion of rental property to for-purchase, not less than fourteen percent of the units in such residential development shall be reserved and used for Affordable Housing and/or Workforce Housing.
View Quote So... am I reading that correctly? Would that mean MANDATORY Section 8 housing, whether you want to have it or not? |
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So... am I reading that correctly? Would that mean MANDATORY Section 8 housing, whether you want to have it or not? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
]For all residential development in Davidson County, including new construction, renovation of existing developments, and the conversion of rental property to for-purchase, not less than fourteen percent of the units in such residential development shall be reserved and used for Affordable Housing and/or Workforce Housing.
So... am I reading that correctly? Would that mean MANDATORY Section 8 housing, whether you want to have it or not? Yes. That is exactly what it means. |
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So... am I reading that correctly? Would that mean MANDATORY Section 8 housing, whether you want to have it or not? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
]For all residential development in Davidson County, including new construction, renovation of existing developments, and the conversion of rental property to for-purchase, not less than fourteen percent of the units in such residential development shall be reserved and used for Affordable Housing and/or Workforce Housing.
So... am I reading that correctly? Would that mean MANDATORY Section 8 housing, whether you want to have it or not? Or pay a fee to "Opt Out" of the ordnance. How quaint. One more government sponsored strong-arm robbery in the name of "Fairness." |
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Want to watch the Athens of the south burn? Turn on channel 3.
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Quoted: Affordable housing? WTF is that? View Quote Rent based on one's income. As I understand it, under HUD, the rules are when one makes more than $X per year, they're not eligible for "public housing". Under the new "RAD" program, the income limit is raised or done away with altogether & it's based on income, whatever it may be. Now, I could be full of shit or I could be right on the money, who knows? But if anyone has driven thru the John Henry Hale homes over near Fisk Univ, they'd be greatly surprised, IMO. There, tenants WORK, they keep things neat & there's no non-running cars sitting around. These folks are most likely in the $12-14/hr pay range & this allows them to have a home & not live 50 miles outside of their jobs in Nashville. Cayce Homes were recently written about in the fishwrap Tennessean. They will be the first set of "projects" torn down & converted to "affordable housing". Current tenants will be given first chance to regain the new homes but under the new rules of RAD rather than HUD. IOW, no more multiple chances on late rent payments, loud parties, fighting, etc. Obviously this will result in many of the current tenants being told to leave as they demonstrate now they can't function "normally". |
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Or pay a fee to "Opt Out" of the ordnance. How quaint. One more government sponsored strong-arm robbery in the name of "Fairness." View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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]For all residential development in Davidson County, including new construction, renovation of existing developments, and the conversion of rental property to for-purchase, not less than fourteen percent of the units in such residential development shall be reserved and used for Affordable Housing and/or Workforce Housing.
So... am I reading that correctly? Would that mean MANDATORY Section 8 housing, whether you want to have it or not? Or pay a fee to "Opt Out" of the ordnance. How quaint. One more government sponsored strong-arm robbery in the name of "Fairness." What's the word the mob uses in that situation? Extortion? |
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Quoted: What's the word the mob uses in that situation? Extortion? View Quote Playing Devil's Advocate here, what does one say to those whom don't make $50K a year? Say a young couple in their early 20's whom just got married, for example? Or an elderly couple whom the breadwinner perhaps had some health issues that sapped their life savings? What do you tell those folks whom wish to NOT live in the 'hood or in a trailer on Dickerson Road? Not busting your balls here, I'm merely curious. |
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Playing Devil's Advocate here, what does one say to those whom don't make $50K a year? Say a young couple in their early 20's whom just got married, for example? Or an elderly couple whom the breadwinner perhaps had some health issues that sapped their life savings? What do you tell those folks whom wish to NOT live in the 'hood or in a trailer on Dickerson Road? Not busting your balls here, I'm merely curious. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What's the word the mob uses in that situation? Extortion? Playing Devil's Advocate here, what does one say to those whom don't make $50K a year? Say a young couple in their early 20's whom just got married, for example? Or an elderly couple whom the breadwinner perhaps had some health issues that sapped their life savings? What do you tell those folks whom wish to NOT live in the 'hood or in a trailer on Dickerson Road? Not busting your balls here, I'm merely curious. Life is tough. It's tougher if you're poor. |
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Playing Devil's Advocate here, what does one say to those whom don't make $50K a year? Say a young couple in their early 20's whom just got married, for example? Or an elderly couple whom the breadwinner perhaps had some health issues that sapped their life savings? What do you tell those folks whom wish to NOT live in the 'hood or in a trailer on Dickerson Road? Not busting your balls here, I'm merely curious. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What's the word the mob uses in that situation? Extortion? Playing Devil's Advocate here, what does one say to those whom don't make $50K a year? Say a young couple in their early 20's whom just got married, for example? Or an elderly couple whom the breadwinner perhaps had some health issues that sapped their life savings? What do you tell those folks whom wish to NOT live in the 'hood or in a trailer on Dickerson Road? Not busting your balls here, I'm merely curious. Oh I absolutely see where you're coming from, and think the intentions are great. Considering Im in your proposed income bracket, I would take every opportunity given to better my life. I just take it with the caveat that, with time, the neighborhood will probably turn to crap so I make use of it as long as is feasible. The income divide, whether its manufactured or a through a series of reactions, is going to kill this country. |
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Playing Devil's Advocate here, what does one say to those whom don't make $50K a year? Say a young couple in their early 20's whom just got married, for example? Or an elderly couple whom the breadwinner perhaps had some health issues that sapped their life savings? What do you tell those folks whom wish to NOT live in the 'hood or in a trailer on Dickerson Road? Not busting your balls here, I'm merely curious. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What's the word the mob uses in that situation? Extortion? Playing Devil's Advocate here, what does one say to those whom don't make $50K a year? Say a young couple in their early 20's whom just got married, for example? Or an elderly couple whom the breadwinner perhaps had some health issues that sapped their life savings? What do you tell those folks whom wish to NOT live in the 'hood or in a trailer on Dickerson Road? Not busting your balls here, I'm merely curious. Because you're forgetting that sometimes the "hood" you speak of follows the Section 8 housing. And that's why some landlords don't want to get into bed with that program. The place my mother lived at was OK, not great but not a slum either. Then the landlord started up with Section 8. ... and then it started turning into a slum with drug trafficking, rude obnoxious kids, people who wouldn't clean up after themselves. |
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Because you're forgetting that sometimes the "hood" you speak of follows the Section 8 housing. And that's why some landlords don't want to get into bed with that program. The place my mother lived at was OK, not great but not a slum either. Then the landlord started up with Section 8. ... and then it started turning into a slum with drug trafficking, rude obnoxious kids, people who wouldn't clean up after themselves. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What's the word the mob uses in that situation? Extortion? Playing Devil's Advocate here, what does one say to those whom don't make $50K a year? Say a young couple in their early 20's whom just got married, for example? Or an elderly couple whom the breadwinner perhaps had some health issues that sapped their life savings? What do you tell those folks whom wish to NOT live in the 'hood or in a trailer on Dickerson Road? Not busting your balls here, I'm merely curious. Because you're forgetting that sometimes the "hood" you speak of follows the Section 8 housing. And that's why some landlords don't want to get into bed with that program. The place my mother lived at was OK, not great but not a slum either. Then the landlord started up with Section 8. ... and then it started turning into a slum with drug trafficking, rude obnoxious kids, people who wouldn't clean up after themselves. If I understand Bob correctly, the RAD program doesn't carry lax rules? I'm guessing Metro Davidson has large tracts of blighted areas they want to pull down. They intend to do this with HUD funding. New HUD regs state that any recipient of HUD funding for housing, must do something similar to what is going on here. You'll see the 14% inclusion zoning enforced on middle-income type developments, not million dollar home neighborhoods. |
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Williamson County is a target of the left as well. it is the ultimate feather in their hat.
I'm staying. I'm in a condo development with an HOA controlled by the residents. Between myself and the 10% of people I knew when I moved here, we personally know over 50% of the vote. We work the community to keep our numbers up. |
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What does it mean when it says renovation?
If you live in a large development, like the Icon building in the Gulch, this new legislation can't affect your building, right? It's already made, parted out, and sold years ago. This only affects new buildings and developments? |
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What does it mean when it says renovation? If you live in a large development, like the Icon building in the Gulch, this new legislation can't affect your building, right? It's already made, parted out, and sold years ago. This only affects new buildings and developments? View Quote Buy factory. Renovate into apartments/condos. You're now in scope. -Or- Own building with multiple units. Remodel/renovate to keep current. You're now in scope. |
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Buy factory. Renovate into apartments/condos. You're now in scope. -Or- Own building with multiple units. Remodel/renovate to keep current. You're now in scope. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What does it mean when it says renovation? If you live in a large development, like the Icon building in the Gulch, this new legislation can't affect your building, right? It's already made, parted out, and sold years ago. This only affects new buildings and developments? Buy factory. Renovate into apartments/condos. You're now in scope. -Or- Own building with multiple units. Remodel/renovate to keep current. You're now in scope. A friend of mine just bought a condo at the Encore and he's going to be thrilled with the nickel and diming that goes on in Metro. I guess I've very little to bitch about here in Clarksville...for now. |
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A friend of mine just bought a condo at the Encore and he's going to be thrilled with the nickel and diming that goes on in Metro. I guess I've very little to bitch about here in Clarksville...for now. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What does it mean when it says renovation? If you live in a large development, like the Icon building in the Gulch, this new legislation can't affect your building, right? It's already made, parted out, and sold years ago. This only affects new buildings and developments? Buy factory. Renovate into apartments/condos. You're now in scope. -Or- Own building with multiple units. Remodel/renovate to keep current. You're now in scope. A friend of mine just bought a condo at the Encore and he's going to be thrilled with the nickel and diming that goes on in Metro. I guess I've very little to bitch about here in Clarksville...for now. I looked there. That's INSANE. I bought 2 miles down the road and saved $140,000. They are nice though. |
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Quoted: A friend of mine just bought a condo at the Encore and he's going to be thrilled with the nickel and diming that goes on in Metro. I guess I've very little to bitch about here in Clarksville...for now. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What does it mean when it says renovation? If you live in a large development, like the Icon building in the Gulch, this new legislation can't affect your building, right? It's already made, parted out, and sold years ago. This only affects new buildings and developments? Buy factory. Renovate into apartments/condos. You're now in scope. -Or- Own building with multiple units. Remodel/renovate to keep current. You're now in scope. A friend of mine just bought a condo at the Encore and he's going to be thrilled with the nickel and diming that goes on in Metro. I guess I've very little to bitch about here in Clarksville...for now. Does he realize that they are building large buildings on both sides of the Encore, and both are supposed to be taller? I heard prices won't be affected much, but the views are going to get killed. |
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I looked there. That's INSANE. I bought 2 miles down the road and saved $140,000. They are nice though. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What does it mean when it says renovation? If you live in a large development, like the Icon building in the Gulch, this new legislation can't affect your building, right? It's already made, parted out, and sold years ago. This only affects new buildings and developments? Buy factory. Renovate into apartments/condos. You're now in scope. -Or- Own building with multiple units. Remodel/renovate to keep current. You're now in scope. A friend of mine just bought a condo at the Encore and he's going to be thrilled with the nickel and diming that goes on in Metro. I guess I've very little to bitch about here in Clarksville...for now. I looked there. That's INSANE. I bought 2 miles down the road and saved $140,000. They are nice though. I agree. I never asked what he paid but I have a rough idea. I told him he should have just bought his dads over in the West End. No view but I'm sure he could get it cheap. |
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Does he realize that they are building large buildings on both sides of the Encore, and both are supposed to be taller? I heard prices won't be affected much, but the views are going to get killed. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What does it mean when it says renovation? If you live in a large development, like the Icon building in the Gulch, this new legislation can't affect your building, right? It's already made, parted out, and sold years ago. This only affects new buildings and developments? Buy factory. Renovate into apartments/condos. You're now in scope. -Or- Own building with multiple units. Remodel/renovate to keep current. You're now in scope. A friend of mine just bought a condo at the Encore and he's going to be thrilled with the nickel and diming that goes on in Metro. I guess I've very little to bitch about here in Clarksville...for now. Does he realize that they are building large buildings on both sides of the Encore, and both are supposed to be taller? I heard prices won't be affected much, but the views are going to get killed. Not sure if he does or not. I know he looked at the Icon but was not happy with a few things. |
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Quoted: Not sure if he does or not. I know he looked at the Icon but was not happy with a few things. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What does it mean when it says renovation? If you live in a large development, like the Icon building in the Gulch, this new legislation can't affect your building, right? It's already made, parted out, and sold years ago. This only affects new buildings and developments? Buy factory. Renovate into apartments/condos. You're now in scope. -Or- Own building with multiple units. Remodel/renovate to keep current. You're now in scope. A friend of mine just bought a condo at the Encore and he's going to be thrilled with the nickel and diming that goes on in Metro. I guess I've very little to bitch about here in Clarksville...for now. Does he realize that they are building large buildings on both sides of the Encore, and both are supposed to be taller? I heard prices won't be affected much, but the views are going to get killed. Not sure if he does or not. I know he looked at the Icon but was not happy with a few things. Not many people opt for the Encore over Icon unless it's solely about location. Ya either love the Gulch or can't deal. It seems very insulated. The Viridian is currently renovating all common areas. Prices seem to be up there. The 505 Building planned for Church St may be upwards of 45 stories with 500 units, much of them rented apartments and not condos. I hope 14% of them aren't poor people. |
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Is it all of Nashville's Liberal Yuppies that are bringing it down?
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Liberal yuppies aren't helping, but I think the primary issue is urban poor who keep getting promised crap. Good thing I'm not elected. I'd bulldoze the shitty neighborhoods and projects. At 3am. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Is it all of Nashville's Liberal Yuppies that are bringing it down? Liberal yuppies aren't helping, but I think the primary issue is urban poor who keep getting promised crap. Good thing I'm not elected. I'd bulldoze the shitty neighborhoods and projects. At 3am. The problem is people like Fabian Bedne, Jerry Maynard, and Megan Barry. |
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Good thing I'm not elected. I'd bulldoze the shitty neighborhoods and projects. View Quote The old mayor of Clarksville and some of his buddies tried that, got sued over it and lost. Apparently, you cant legally buy section 8 housing, receive the proper permits, tear it down and rebuild the neighborhood for middle class buyers. You can however go into a middleclass neighborhood strong arm the owners into selling at your price so you can put in a business or park etc... |
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