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Posted: 6/29/2015 10:07:50 PM EDT
A friend just told me, at least around here in E. TN., that the traffic cams are finally coming down by the end of year.
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Can anyone confirm? |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 11:45:40 PM EDT
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I assume you mean like the "red light" enforcement cameras, and not traffic cams in general, of which there are hundreds across the state by TN DOT alone.
There was a bill this session to prevent municipalities from entering into any new contracts with enforcement camera companies, but it died. Haven't heard of any judicial rulings against them though. Still about 20 here in Knoxville AFAIK. - OS |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 4:02:54 AM EDT
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my friend was referring to all "enforcement " cams, at traffic lights and speed cams.
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Posted: 6/30/2015 9:32:17 AM EDT
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Damn I hope so!
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Posted: 6/30/2015 9:53:55 AM EDT
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Some of the ones in West Knoxville have been gutted. Not taken down yet. Have seen the Traffic Solutions trucks taking the innards out of the cams at the Cedar Bluff and I-40 intersection ones.
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Posted: 6/30/2015 11:16:18 AM EDT
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They are putting up more around here. And speed cameras are going up next month.
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Posted: 6/30/2015 12:46:53 PM EDT
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Saw an article, a while back, that reported some towns/cities aren't getting the income they were expecting from them.
Doesn't take long for people to figure out where they are, and some GPS units alert you when you are approaching one, so it's not hard to see why the ticket revenue from the cameras would drop off. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 12:48:36 PM EDT
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It's hard to know the latest word, but I just found an article discussing the bill. Looks like the Rs caved on outright ban. This report states yellow lights will change from 3 to 6 seconds, if already in intersection, no citation, there will be a 15 mph margin with speed cams.
I have no idea what the final outcome will be. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 12:50:55 PM EDT
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They are putting up more around here. And speed cameras are going up next month. what part of TN are you in? Maybe it will be a local choice on cam policy. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 1:11:22 PM EDT
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what part of TN are you in? Maybe it will be a local choice on cam policy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They are putting up more around here. And speed cameras are going up next month. what part of TN are you in? Maybe it will be a local choice on cam policy. Hasn't it always been a local initiative only? Meaning, TN DOT has lots of cams, but they aren't used for enforcement by THP or whoever? - OS |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 3:21:40 PM EDT
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what part of TN are you in? Maybe it will be a local choice on cam policy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They are putting up more around here. And speed cameras are going up next month. what part of TN are you in? Maybe it will be a local choice on cam policy. The far southwest corner. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 5:36:55 PM EDT
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Hasn't it always been a local initiative only? Meaning, TN DOT has lots of cams, but they aren't used for enforcement by THP or whoever? - OS Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They are putting up more around here. And speed cameras are going up next month. what part of TN are you in? Maybe it will be a local choice on cam policy. Hasn't it always been a local initiative only? Meaning, TN DOT has lots of cams, but they aren't used for enforcement by THP or whoever? - OS I don't know but you're probably right. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 5:43:03 PM EDT
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They are putting up more around here. And speed cameras are going up next month. what part of TN are you in? Maybe it will be a local choice on cam policy. The far southwest corner. Oh brother. No telling what those pols will do next down there. I finally got out of there. Where I am now in east TN: a friend texted me a pic today of a big house next door to the court house and the police station. It had a large Confederate Battle Flag flying. I feel right at home here. 
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Posted: 6/30/2015 6:12:18 PM EDT
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Oh brother. No telling what those pols will do next down there. I finally got out of there. Where I am now in east TN: a friend texted me a pic today of a big house next door to the court house and the police station. It had a large Confederate Battle Flag flying. I feel right at home here.
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They are putting up more around here. And speed cameras are going up next month. what part of TN are you in? Maybe it will be a local choice on cam policy. The far southwest corner. Oh brother. No telling what those pols will do next down there. I finally got out of there. Where I am now in east TN: a friend texted me a pic today of a big house next door to the court house and the police station. It had a large Confederate Battle Flag flying. I feel right at home here.
Yeah, where the politicians see a revenue stream they will go for it. Even if it's only in theory. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 11:01:27 PM EDT
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They are putting up more around here. And speed cameras are going up next month. Shut your mouth. You're in Memphis right? Where are these speed cameras going up? |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 11:16:04 PM EDT
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Shut your mouth. You're in Memphis right? Where are these speed cameras going up? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They are putting up more around here. And speed cameras are going up next month. Shut your mouth. You're in Memphis right? Where are these speed cameras going up? I read a news article last week that Germantown is having a bunch of new cameras installed. |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 12:24:26 AM EDT
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I can't wait the uproar from the suburbanites.
I'd live in fear of a speed camera on 40/240 though. Especially the areas where it drops down to 45 for miles before and after construction. |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 6:49:00 AM EDT
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Shut your mouth. You're in Memphis right? Where are these speed cameras going up? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They are putting up more around here. And speed cameras are going up next month. Shut your mouth. You're in Memphis right? Where are these speed cameras going up? No idea where they will go, and I'm not sure if they'll be semi-mobile like the ones Millington has. I can't imagine they'd put them on fury road,AKA I-240. |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 7:09:52 AM EDT
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I really hope that we end up seeing a bunch of stories like this one if they come here. Burn baby burn.
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Posted: 7/1/2015 9:24:07 AM EDT
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I really hope that we end up seeing a bunch of stories like this one if they come here. Burn baby burn. There is a British web site dedicated to pictures of burned out speed and red light cameras. Seems they don't think much of them over there. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:20:03 AM EDT
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Saw an article, a while back, that reported some towns/cities aren't getting the income they were expecting from them. Doesn't take long for people to figure out where they are, and some GPS units alert you when you are approaching one, so it's not hard to see why the ticket revenue from the cameras would drop off. waze 
of course part of the issue is also that many places illegally cut the yellow light times to get extra revenue. 
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Posted: 7/2/2015 9:35:03 AM EDT
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of course part of the issue is also that many places illegally cut the yellow light times to get extra revenue. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Saw an article, a while back, that reported some towns/cities aren't getting the income they were expecting from them. Doesn't take long for people to figure out where they are, and some GPS units alert you when you are approaching one, so it's not hard to see why the ticket revenue from the cameras would drop off. waze
of course part of the issue is also that many places illegally cut the yellow light times to get extra revenue. Murfreesboro is bad about this! |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 11:08:02 AM EDT
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Damn. I guess people will go back to shooting stop signs.
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Posted: 7/2/2015 11:19:42 AM EDT
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Murfreesboro is bad about this! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Saw an article, a while back, that reported some towns/cities aren't getting the income they were expecting from them. Doesn't take long for people to figure out where they are, and some GPS units alert you when you are approaching one, so it's not hard to see why the ticket revenue from the cameras would drop off. waze
of course part of the issue is also that many places illegally cut the yellow light times to get extra revenue. Murfreesboro is bad about this! Yep. Shortest yellow I ever saw, and their ticket said I entered the intersection about a quarter second after the light changed. I had been waiting in the turn lane when the light turned green (green arrow for the turn lane). |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 10:01:41 AM EDT
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No idea where they will go, and I'm not sure if they'll be semi-mobile like the ones Millington has. I can't imagine they'd put them on fury road,AKA I-240. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They are putting up more around here. And speed cameras are going up next month. Shut your mouth. You're in Memphis right? Where are these speed cameras going up? No idea where they will go, and I'm not sure if they'll be semi-mobile like the ones Millington has. I can't imagine they'd put them on fury road,AKA I-240. I also saw this news piece. Myron Lowry wants more in the city. I think the CA and channel 5 put a list out of where Memphis wanted new ones installed. Germantown hasn't put out a list I know of. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 10:43:05 AM EDT
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Yep. Shortest yellow I ever saw, and their ticket said I entered the intersection about a quarter second after the light changed. I had been waiting in the turn lane when the light turned green (green arrow for the turn lane). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Saw an article, a while back, that reported some towns/cities aren't getting the income they were expecting from them. Doesn't take long for people to figure out where they are, and some GPS units alert you when you are approaching one, so it's not hard to see why the ticket revenue from the cameras would drop off. waze
of course part of the issue is also that many places illegally cut the yellow light times to get extra revenue. Murfreesboro is bad about this! Yep. Shortest yellow I ever saw, and their ticket said I entered the intersection about a quarter second after the light changed. I had been waiting in the turn lane when the light turned green (green arrow for the turn lane). Something like that is well worth fighting in court. IIRC the minimum time for a yellow light is 3 seconds. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 11:41:23 AM EDT
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Something like that is well worth fighting in court. IIRC the minimum time for a yellow light is 3 seconds. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Saw an article, a while back, that reported some towns/cities aren't getting the income they were expecting from them. Doesn't take long for people to figure out where they are, and some GPS units alert you when you are approaching one, so it's not hard to see why the ticket revenue from the cameras would drop off. waze
of course part of the issue is also that many places illegally cut the yellow light times to get extra revenue. Murfreesboro is bad about this! Yep. Shortest yellow I ever saw, and their ticket said I entered the intersection about a quarter second after the light changed. I had been waiting in the turn lane when the light turned green (green arrow for the turn lane). Something like that is well worth fighting in court. IIRC the minimum time for a yellow light is 3 seconds. If court had been an option, I would definitely have gone to traffic court, but there was no option for contesting it in court. They offered the option of trying to convince them (without going to court) that I wasn't the one driving my pickup that day, but they made it clear that I would have to provide enough information for them to ticket the other person. The only other option was to refuse to pay the ticket, which would result in the ticket being turned over to a collection agency. They cannot go after your license (it doesn't go on your driving record), so they extort the fine by threatening your credit rating. The way they do it (extortion, and no chance of contesting it in traffic court) is pure bullshit. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 1:21:49 PM EDT
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I've never heard of not having an option for going to court. I would have called the court house and demanded a court date.
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Posted: 7/3/2015 4:12:24 PM EDT
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I've never heard of not having an option for going to court. I would have called the court house and demanded a court date. Yeah, I got one several years ago here in Knoxville, and court was an option. However, they included link to vid, and sure enough, I hadn't come to full stop before turning right on red (wasn't even close). - OS |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 5:27:28 PM EDT
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I've never heard of not having an option for going to court. I would have called the court house and demanded a court date. Wasn't an option, according to the letter that came with their ticket. The appeal process (to prove that somebody else was driving my pickup) didn't even involve a judge. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 8:14:40 PM EDT
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Wasn't an option, according to the letter that came with their ticket. The appeal process (to prove that somebody else was driving my pickup) didn't even involve a judge. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've never heard of not having an option for going to court. I would have called the court house and demanded a court date. Wasn't an option, according to the letter that came with their ticket. The appeal process (to prove that somebody else was driving my pickup) didn't even involve a judge. That whole deal kinda sounds unconstitutional to me. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 9:37:42 PM EDT
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That whole deal kinda sounds unconstitutional to me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've never heard of not having an option for going to court. I would have called the court house and demanded a court date. Wasn't an option, according to the letter that came with their ticket. The appeal process (to prove that somebody else was driving my pickup) didn't even involve a judge. That whole deal kinda sounds unconstitutional to me. You think? What happened to facing your accuser? A guy working for a private company looking at a picture that some remote camera took without any context. Oh yeah, while he is extorting money from you. Sounds legit. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 10:31:33 PM EDT
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You think? What happened to facing your accuser? A guy working for a private company looking at a picture that some remote camera took without any context. Oh yeah, while he is extorting money from you. Sounds legit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've never heard of not having an option for going to court. I would have called the court house and demanded a court date. Wasn't an option, according to the letter that came with their ticket. The appeal process (to prove that somebody else was driving my pickup) didn't even involve a judge. That whole deal kinda sounds unconstitutional to me. You think? What happened to facing your accuser? A guy working for a private company looking at a picture that some remote camera took without any context. Oh yeah, while he is extorting money from you. Sounds legit. Almost makes a guy wanna drive out there just to get a ticket  . Normally they make the ticket like $50 so it's just not worth your time to fight it even if you're innocent. We need a news crew to rip the lid off of it.
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Posted: 7/4/2015 11:29:05 AM EDT
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Normally they make the ticket like $50 so it's just not worth your time to fight it even if you're innocent. $50 to make them go away and leave you alone. If you chose not to pay the $50, they turn it over to a collection agency, and add the collection agency's fee on top of the $50 (I think that puts the total over $200). Then your credit report takes a hit for the collection agency being after you. But your license and driving record are safe. I think that is probably how they justify (though I don't think it's justified) not giving you an option to fight it in court. ETA: WSMV has already been doing some investigative reporting on law enforcement shenanigans (not putting contracts through the bid process) in Murfreesboro. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 2:52:07 PM EDT
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What would be the difference between this, and some random dude with a radar gun and a good camera standing on the corner?
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Posted: 7/4/2015 3:44:58 PM EDT
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What would be the difference between this, and some random dude with a radar gun and a good camera standing on the corner? Only difference is that they own and maintain the streets that they put the cameras on. Now if Walmart put up cameras and started sending bills to customers that didn't comply with the lines and stop signs in the Walmart parking lot... |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 6:29:14 PM EDT
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They don't own the streets. We pay for the streets and pay the salaries of those that think they own the streets.
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Posted: 7/5/2015 1:19:06 AM EDT
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They don't own the streets. We pay for the streets and pay the salaries of those that think they own the streets. And the people elected them to make decisions for them. Sometimes those decisions are not what we'd like. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 8:12:29 AM EDT
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If court had been an option, I would definitely have gone to traffic court, but there was no option for contesting it in court. They offered the option of trying to convince them (without going to court) that I wasn't the one driving my pickup that day, but they made it clear that I would have to provide enough information for them to ticket the other person. The only other option was to refuse to pay the ticket, which would result in the ticket being turned over to a collection agency. They cannot go after your license (it doesn't go on your driving record), so they extort the fine by threatening your credit rating. The way they do it (extortion, and no chance of contesting it in traffic court) is pure bullshit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
If court had been an option, I would definitely have gone to traffic court, but there was no option for contesting it in court. They offered the option of trying to convince them (without going to court) that I wasn't the one driving my pickup that day, but they made it clear that I would have to provide enough information for them to ticket the other person. The only other option was to refuse to pay the ticket, which would result in the ticket being turned over to a collection agency. They cannot go after your license (it doesn't go on your driving record), so they extort the fine by threatening your credit rating. The way they do it (extortion, and no chance of contesting it in traffic court) is pure bullshit. So you cannot actually face your accuser. All you can get is a sentence so to speak. 
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That whole deal kinda sounds unconstitutional to me. Exactly. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 8:43:45 AM EDT
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So you cannot actually face your accuser. All you can get is a sentence so to speak.
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If court had been an option, I would definitely have gone to traffic court, but there was no option for contesting it in court. They offered the option of trying to convince them (without going to court) that I wasn't the one driving my pickup that day, but they made it clear that I would have to provide enough information for them to ticket the other person. The only other option was to refuse to pay the ticket, which would result in the ticket being turned over to a collection agency. They cannot go after your license (it doesn't go on your driving record), so they extort the fine by threatening your credit rating. The way they do it (extortion, and no chance of contesting it in traffic court) is pure bullshit. So you cannot actually face your accuser. All you can get is a sentence so to speak.
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That whole deal kinda sounds unconstitutional to me. Exactly. According to the letter that came with the ticket, the only way I could get out of the ticket, was to present them (not the court, but the people who sent me the ticket) with sufficient evidence to allow them to transfer the ticket to some other person. There was absolutely no option for getting the ticket dismissed. I had to pay it, or I had to get somebody else to admit that they had been the person driving. How am I supposed to face my accuser, when my accuser is an electronic box on the side of the road? According to WSMV, their jail signed a contract to allow a company to put tablet computers in the jail and charge the prisoners for the time that they used the tablets. This allowed relatives to send messages to the prisoners, but the relatives were charged for each message. The jail got a percentage of the profit. The contract did not go through the bid process. Seems to be a lack of ethics, when electronics can make them money, in Murfreesboro. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 9:05:38 AM EDT
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And the people elected them to make decisions for them. Sometimes those decisions are not what we'd like. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They don't own the streets. We pay for the streets and pay the salaries of those that think they own the streets. And the people elected them to make decisions for them. Sometimes those decisions are not what we'd like. and they get drunk with power and their pockets filled from these deals. In a bigger picture, we didn't ask for obamacare, but we got it shoved down our throats. None of us asked them to hire private companies to act as cop, judge and jury. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 12:16:03 PM EDT
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In this case I may have just said blow me I'm not paying you. Go ahead and ding my credit score, I'll contest it, contact me again and my attorney will be handling this issue. A bunch of folks with masks on and cardboard over their plates purposely running red lights several times would probably chap their asses too
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Posted: 7/5/2015 12:18:43 PM EDT
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and they get drunk with power and their pockets filled from these deals. In a bigger picture, we didn't ask for obamacare, but we got it shoved down our throats. None of us asked them to hire private companies to act as cop, judge and jury. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They don't own the streets. We pay for the streets and pay the salaries of those that think they own the streets. And the people elected them to make decisions for them. Sometimes those decisions are not what we'd like. and they get drunk with power and their pockets filled from these deals. In a bigger picture, we didn't ask for obamacare, but we got it shoved down our throats. None of us asked them to hire private companies to act as cop, judge and jury. Oh I'm not arguing with you. I think these things are there for one reason, revenue. I can actually see how they could be used to add some degree of safety, get people to pay attention and slow down. Here they were originally placed at the intersections that had the highest rate of accidents. Places where the cops had calls the same time every day. But that's not what is happening. It's just another revenue stream by the cities. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 12:22:13 PM EDT
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According to the letter that came with the ticket, the only way I could get out of the ticket, was to present them (not the court, but the people who sent me the ticket) with sufficient evidence to allow them to transfer the ticket to some other person. There was absolutely no option for getting the ticket dismissed. I had to pay it, or I had to get somebody else to admit that they had been the person driving. How am I supposed to face my accuser, when my accuser is an electronic box on the side of the road? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If court had been an option, I would definitely have gone to traffic court, but there was no option for contesting it in court. They offered the option of trying to convince them (without going to court) that I wasn't the one driving my pickup that day, but they made it clear that I would have to provide enough information for them to ticket the other person. The only other option was to refuse to pay the ticket, which would result in the ticket being turned over to a collection agency. They cannot go after your license (it doesn't go on your driving record), so they extort the fine by threatening your credit rating. The way they do it (extortion, and no chance of contesting it in traffic court) is pure bullshit. So you cannot actually face your accuser. All you can get is a sentence so to speak.
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That whole deal kinda sounds unconstitutional to me. Exactly. According to the letter that came with the ticket, the only way I could get out of the ticket, was to present them (not the court, but the people who sent me the ticket) with sufficient evidence to allow them to transfer the ticket to some other person. There was absolutely no option for getting the ticket dismissed. I had to pay it, or I had to get somebody else to admit that they had been the person driving. How am I supposed to face my accuser, when my accuser is an electronic box on the side of the road? That's a weird way to do it, and from what I've read isn't going to fly much longer. I believe here they still keep a local LEO in the loop. They have to actually see each photo and approve it. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 10:42:34 PM EDT
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According to the letter that came with the ticket, the only way I could get out of the ticket, was to present them (not the court, but the people who sent me the ticket) with sufficient evidence to allow them to transfer the ticket to some other person. There was absolutely no option for getting the ticket dismissed. I had to pay it, or I had to get somebody else to admit that they had been the person driving. How am I supposed to face my accuser, when my accuser is an electronic box on the side of the road? According to WSMV, their jail signed a contract to allow a company to put tablet computers in the jail and charge the prisoners for the time that they used the tablets. This allowed relatives to send messages to the prisoners, but the relatives were charged for each message. The jail got a percentage of the profit. The contract did not go through the bid process. Seems to be a lack of ethics, when electronics can make them money, in Murfreesboro. Quote HistoryQuoted:
According to the letter that came with the ticket, the only way I could get out of the ticket, was to present them (not the court, but the people who sent me the ticket) with sufficient evidence to allow them to transfer the ticket to some other person. There was absolutely no option for getting the ticket dismissed. I had to pay it, or I had to get somebody else to admit that they had been the person driving. How am I supposed to face my accuser, when my accuser is an electronic box on the side of the road? According to WSMV, their jail signed a contract to allow a company to put tablet computers in the jail and charge the prisoners for the time that they used the tablets. This allowed relatives to send messages to the prisoners, but the relatives were charged for each message. The jail got a percentage of the profit. The contract did not go through the bid process. Seems to be a lack of ethics, when electronics can make them money, in Murfreesboro. This is why many of us consider the camera tickets to be unconstitutional. You cannot face your accuser in court, which flies in the face of the 6th Amendment. In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.
And again, many cameras are set illegally in the first place - meaning they cut the yellow time down to below legal standards in order to create an offense when none would have occurred had the cameras been set properly. |
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Posted: 7/11/2015 8:49:40 AM EDT
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Well this is interesting. We were just at the Whitfield intersection in Clarksville.
My partner saw the camera flash at a car driving through the yellow light. Looks like they want the money so badly some are programmed to nail people who aren't even breaking the law. 
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Posted: 7/11/2015 10:25:13 PM EDT
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I saw someone get flashed there too a couple weeks ago. My wife and I both noticed it and were surprised to see it. Been a long time since I've seen anyone get flashed there.
I got flashed there once a couple years ago. As I belatedly realized I would not make the yellow and since it is a 55mph road I practically skidded to a stop just barely over the line when it turned red. Never got a ticket from it though. I think they took the cameras down by gate 3 on FT Campbell Blvd though. I used to see people get flashed there almost every time I was at that intersection. |
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Posted: 7/11/2015 11:37:44 PM EDT
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I saw someone get flashed there too a couple weeks ago. My wife and I both noticed it and were surprised to see it. Been a long time since I've seen anyone get flashed there. I got flashed there once a couple years ago. As I belatedly realized I would not make the yellow and since it is a 55mph road I practically skidded to a stop just barely over the line when it turned red. Never got a ticket from it though. I think they took the cameras down by gate 3 on FT Campbell Blvd though. I used to see people get flashed there almost every time I was at that intersection. I seldom use Gate 3 now but I think it's still there. |
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Posted: 7/14/2015 7:27:32 PM EDT
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FYI different towns have different statutes on how the red light camera tickets are enforced. Some of them have no ability to force you to pay other than referring the fine to collections.
Except TN state law explicitly prohibits unpaid red light camera tickets from being reported to the credit bureaus, so the collections is meaningless. I have been ignoring some tickets for almost 2 years with no repercussions. |
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Posted: 7/14/2015 10:30:55 PM EDT
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FYI different towns have different statutes on how the red light camera tickets are enforced. Some of them have no ability to force you to pay other than referring the fine to collections. Except TN state law explicitly prohibits unpaid red light camera tickets from being reported to the credit bureaus, so the collections is meaningless. I have been ignoring some tickets for almost 2 years with no repercussions. Once it goes to collections wouldn't there be a burden of proof that the debt was real under the FCRA? If everyone pulled the FCRA reply letter on them the time and expense would be big. |
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Posted: 7/15/2015 12:44:04 AM EDT
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Once it goes to collections wouldn't there be a burden of proof that the debt was real under the FCRA? If everyone pulled the FCRA reply letter on them the time and expense would be big. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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FYI different towns have different statutes on how the red light camera tickets are enforced. Some of them have no ability to force you to pay other than referring the fine to collections. Except TN state law explicitly prohibits unpaid red light camera tickets from being reported to the credit bureaus, so the collections is meaningless. I have been ignoring some tickets for almost 2 years with no repercussions. Once it goes to collections wouldn't there be a burden of proof that the debt was real under the FCRA? If everyone pulled the FCRA reply letter on them the time and expense would be big. Why bother? It doesn't affect your score. If it shows up on your report, you can sue the collection agency for reporting it. P.S. lol, the CRAs don't give a fuck about properly validating a debt. In practice, the burden of proof is on YOU to show the debt is not yours. I don't want to detail the thread but I know from experience. |
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