I'm thinking about putting a forward grip on my AR 300 blk out pistol. To do this without AOW classification the pistol needs to be 16" in length. How's this effect the cc permit benefits? For example carrying near a school?

AFAIK it's still a pistol and subject to those laws. Are you taking about cc'ing in your vehicle?

The way I read it for the purpose of a forward grip is - if the gun is 16" or longer a forward grip could be put on without having to fill out an any other weapons form. If it is under 16" an ATF any other weapons form had to be filled out.

If over the 16", the gun could no longer be considered a pistol. Depending on each states laws.


I don't plan to CC the thing, but it would be nice to know where I stand when the thing is in my car or any other situation that it may make a difference.

unless the laws have changed the oregon concealed WEAPONS permit is not limited to handguns.

My 'license' clearly says "Concealed Handgun License" at the top.

I would rather have a Concealed Weapons permit so I can/could carry a variety of weapons.  How do I get one of those?

No such thing in Oregon but there is no prohibition on carrying a rifle concealed in your vehicle. From ORS 166.250


Note that a firearm cannot be carried concealed upon your person but it is limited to handguns in your vehicle. As always, I'm not a lawyer but I do recommend Kevin Starrett's book Understanding Oregon's Gun Laws.

26" oal, not 16".

Ooops... yes... thanks you

The way Oregon's law is written, a "Concealed Handgun License" exempts you from Unlawful Possession of a Firearm (ORS166.250).  The keyword is FIREARM:  this includes handguns AND rifles.  Ignore the title of Concealed HANDGUN License; it's just written into the law that way.

The post about 16" barrel vs. 26" OAL is correct; AOW status (Federal) is defined by OAL, not barrel length.

So according to state law, you can carry any firearm (not just handguns) in any non-exempt location (Post Office, Courthouse, Federal facility, etc.).  This includes on-body carry as well as vehicle carry.

Thank you very much everythingisawesom!

 Anytime!

Did you also know that in the ATF opinion letter that says it is OK to put a vfg on a pistol if the oal is over 26" it also states that if you conceal it upon your person it will become a class 3 aow?
Look up Franklin armory, or franklin arsenal or whatever it is and read the letter.

No... the rules are blurry.

I'm not sure what I'm going to do. I want to get the KAK brace off this thing because it can be easily confused with shouldering even if being held to the cheek.


Might just be that SBR is the answer. Decisions...

Why is sbr the answer? Those are even more controlled. You can't even leave it where a relative has a key or access to the room it is locked in. Seriously, are you wanting to conceal it on your person? Do you have some special hidden compartment that only a certain size weapon will fit in? A regular 16" carbine can be carried concealed in your vehicle loaded in Oregon without a license (as far as I know).
If you have a chl, you can carry an AR pistol in your car, no need to make it into a "firearm". They work fine just cheek welded (no brace) and no vfg.
Or you can carry a cheap m4 clone, a "truck gun" as it is known.

It is perhaps the answer for me because despite the added rules of class 3, the rules are clear. Cut and dry.

 

It's not about the firearm being controlled, it's about me having confidence in my legal ability to carry X firearm in Y situation.


It's about being able to enjoy the AR with my kid. I like to video, she likes to video, us shooting. That video goes to school so she can show her teacher and friends. A 16 YO girl trying to cheek weld an AR without letting the brace bump her shoulder is work in process. May never happen.


It's about going to the range and not having to worry about the RO thinking the brace bumped my shoulder and I'm therefor shooting an SBR on the pistol range or, shooting a pistol as an SBR with  no stamp.


Hell it's about the fact that everyone knows darn well 95% of the people with a Sig brace or Kak like 'brace' are shouldering it. Something like that may get the wrong attention at the range just because of the obvious.


I've yet to take my AR to the range for the sole reason of not knowing how they'll react.


It's about clarity.


The entire point of the question was to get information so I could consider different approaches to ditching the brace. One of those being the FVG.


And, to muddy it up even more.... what exactly constitutes a FVG? Does it have to be vertical, or is any device used to aid the front hand in the similar manner as a FVG?


Hopefully that shines some more light on the purpose of the question as it relates to me and my situation(s).

Packing an SBR or a short barrel AR with a brace would be difficult to explain to a jury if you ever had to use it.