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Posted: 10/8/2015 12:30:10 PM EDT
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First!
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Posted: 10/8/2015 12:52:56 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/8/2015 1:05:27 PM EDT
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Just one of many incidents I'm aware of. http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5953044
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Posted: 10/8/2015 1:26:04 PM EDT
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My aunt works at the North Georgia Premium Outlets and had an OC incident last week. A rather large "gentleman" and his wife came in to shop for maternity clothes, and he was OCing. My aunt informed him that mall policy was no firearms on the premises (let's not debate the stupidity of that, their property, their rules) to which he informed her he had a license and he would carry anywhere he pleased. My aunt could not get to the desk to call mall security as the man kept putting himself in between her and the counter, essentially trying to intimidate her. Also, to be an even bigger tool, he kept his hand on the grip the entire time.
After exiting the store she called mall security which did engage him in conversation and politely asked him to leave, to which he responded "who is going to make me? You with your little bottle of pepper spray?" Along with apparently other choice words. With a deputy on the way he apparently lost his nerve and they decided to leave. This is the kind of person who makes all gun owners look stupid, and will most likely end up on the wrong side of an incident in the near future. Apparently he didn't read any of the GA code they give you (at least in my county) with every GWP, about trespassing, nor does he understand what could be construed as a verbal threat. I'm betting it was a Hipoint in a nylon holster. Wish I had pics. 
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Posted: 10/8/2015 1:30:22 PM EDT
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I guess I don't get it. Why do folks feel the need to open carry? I have heard the argument that a right unexercised is a right lost. I'm not sure I buy that. Where does one go to get educated on the "why"? Almost everything I see with folks conducting open carry I view as a tactical disadvantage. Most don't appear to have holsters with any significant form of retention other than force to overcome or a single snap. Most seem to be folks my age whose ability to retain a firearm in a physical confrontation would be "challenged" by a younger, more fit opponent. Again, I get the socialization aspect - that seeing an overaged, overweight male open carrying "desensitizes" some of the public to firearms. I'm not aware of any recent actions where an open carrier lost control of his firearm, so my thoughts above may be way off base. But I still don't get it. I carry for personal protection. Advertising that I'm armed seems to diminish one of its tactical advantages. Flame on....school me. It's just a way for generally unremarkable, insignificant, and insecure people to draw attention to themselves. Anyone arguing that open carry deters crime is living in a dream world, as real violent criminals aren't intimidated by an overweight, pasty-faced, middle-aged white guy with little/no situational awareness and a rarely-fired pistol in a cheap plastic or nylon belt holster. If that offends you, you should really take a giant step back and reevaluate how you see yourself and how you're viewed by everyone around you. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 1:53:17 PM EDT
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Tell you what, you do whatever your little heart desires, and I will continue to do the same.
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Posted: 10/8/2015 2:00:45 PM EDT
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I guess I don't get it. Why do folks feel the need to open carry? I have heard the argument that a right unexercised is a right lost. I'm not sure I buy that. Where does one go to get educated on the "why"? Almost everything I see with folks conducting open carry I view as a tactical disadvantage. Most don't appear to have holsters with any significant form of retention other than force to overcome or a single snap. Most seem to be folks my age whose ability to retain a firearm in a physical confrontation would be "challenged" by a younger, more fit opponent. Again, I get the socialization aspect - that seeing an overaged, overweight male open carrying "desensitizes" some of the public to firearms. I'm not aware of any recent actions where an open carrier lost control of his firearm, so my thoughts above may be way off base. But I still don't get it. I carry for personal protection. Advertising that I'm armed seems to diminish one of its tactical advantages. Flame on....school me. +1.....I've never understood the 'need' to OC while shopping for milk and eggs at 2:00 in the afternoon at the grocery store....Now, granted, I will OC when outdoors or in the woods because for me it's more comfortable, but I CC when in 'public'..... I can't see the benefit of advertising I'm armed if a real, TRUE threat wished to do me or mine harm....It would only give them more of an incentive to strike the obvious threat first with their choice of weapon and give me less reaction time IMHO.... |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 2:08:49 PM EDT
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My aunt works at the North Georgia Premium Outlets and had an OC incident last week. A rather large "gentleman" and his wife came in to shop for maternity clothes, and he was OCing. My aunt informed him that mall policy was no firearms on the premises (let's not debate the stupidity of that, their property, their rules) to which he informed her he had a license and he would carry anywhere he pleased. My aunt could not get to the desk to call mall security as the man kept putting himself in between her and the counter, essentially trying to intimidate her. Also, to be an even bigger tool, he kept his hand on the grip the entire time. After exiting the store she called mall security which did engage him in conversation and politely asked him to leave, to which he responded "who is going to make me? You with your little bottle of pepper spray?" Along with apparently other choice words. With a deputy on the way he apparently lost his nerve and they decided to leave. This is the kind of person who makes all gun owners look stupid, and will most likely end up on the wrong side of an incident in the near future. Apparently he didn't read any of the GA code they give you (at least in my county) with every GWP, about trespassing, nor does he understand what could be construed as a verbal threat. I'm betting it was a Hipoint in a nylon holster. Wish I had pics. I know a GA Arfcommer who had a guy behind him on line in a bank open carrying a Judge in a Uncle Mike's holster wrapped in duct tape. He said the guy looked like a homeless person. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 3:54:48 PM EDT
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+1.....I've never understood the 'need' to OC while shopping for milk and eggs at 2:00 in the afternoon at the grocery store....Now, granted, I will OC when outdoors or in the woods because for me it's more comfortable, but I CC when in 'public'..... I can't see the benefit of advertising I'm armed if a real, TRUE threat wished to do me or mine harm....It would only give them more of an incentive to strike the obvious threat first with their choice of weapon and give me less reaction time IMHO.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I guess I don't get it. Why do folks feel the need to open carry? I have heard the argument that a right unexercised is a right lost. I'm not sure I buy that. Where does one go to get educated on the "why"? Almost everything I see with folks conducting open carry I view as a tactical disadvantage. Most don't appear to have holsters with any significant form of retention other than force to overcome or a single snap. Most seem to be folks my age whose ability to retain a firearm in a physical confrontation would be "challenged" by a younger, more fit opponent. Again, I get the socialization aspect - that seeing an overaged, overweight male open carrying "desensitizes" some of the public to firearms. I'm not aware of any recent actions where an open carrier lost control of his firearm, so my thoughts above may be way off base. But I still don't get it. I carry for personal protection. Advertising that I'm armed seems to diminish one of its tactical advantages. Flame on....school me. +1.....I've never understood the 'need' to OC while shopping for milk and eggs at 2:00 in the afternoon at the grocery store....Now, granted, I will OC when outdoors or in the woods because for me it's more comfortable, but I CC when in 'public'..... I can't see the benefit of advertising I'm armed if a real, TRUE threat wished to do me or mine harm....It would only give them more of an incentive to strike the obvious threat first with their choice of weapon and give me less reaction time IMHO.... In a nutshell, THIS!!!!!!! |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 4:14:54 PM EDT
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Man I posted about the OC subject some fair number of years back and had all manner of tards crawl up my ass on it.
It's s dick measuring thing methinks. I want to surprise mofos so try hard to conceal whenever possible. This includes avoidance of "shoot-me-first" clothing unless I'm actually laden with much camera equipment or participating in a IDPA match of sorts. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 6:50:09 PM EDT
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beat
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Posted: 10/8/2015 7:27:51 PM EDT
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So there's nobody here that OC's?
I'm not trolling. I'm looking for somebody to enlighten me and help shape opinion. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 8:29:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So there's nobody here that OC's? I'm not trolling. I'm looking for somebody to enlighten me and help shape opinion. Regularly? No. But I'm not overly concerned if my handgun is not perfectly concealed, and if I'm on the way home from a shooting class or trip, I'll probably OC instead of having to take my OWB holster off and put on an IWB holster. I don't make a big deal out of it and my shirt probably covers it at least some of the time, but I consider it OC. Of course, I'm on a business trip in Florida right now, so I make sure to stay concealed here. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 10:03:08 PM EDT
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I don't O.C. for the obvious reasons. But I don't care one way or the other about those that do. Their life, their business. Not mine.
roy d...to each his own |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 10:06:56 PM EDT
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I do when I ride my motorcycle.
2 reasons really 1. retention. None of my concealed holsters will retain well enough in my opinion to ride with them. 2. I've noticed that on average tards in cages don't act as tardish when they notice the sidearm. It's actually rather amusing to see reactions and difference in how they act. and 3. I don't care what anybody thinks or believes. I don't act like a tard when I OC and I think I represent carry folks just fine. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 10:19:21 PM EDT
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I do when I ride my motorcycle. 2 reasons really 1. retention. None of my concealed holsters will retain well enough in my opinion to ride with them. 2. I've noticed that on average tards in cages don't act as tardish when they notice the sidearm. It's actually rather amusing to see reactions and difference in how they act. and 3. I don't care what anybody thinks or believes. I don't act like a tard when I OC and I think I represent carry folks just fine. Bill, Thanks for that. Those are reasons I hadn't thought about. Again, I'm not passing judgment - I open carry on my land for reasons another poster enumerated above. I've just been surprised at the number of open carriers I've been seeing in the suburban and urban environment lately and was wondering what advantages it brought them. I'd only thought of disadvantages. I appreciate the answer. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 10:24:25 PM EDT
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So there's nobody here that OC's? I'm not trolling. I'm looking for somebody to enlighten me and help shape opinion. Yes, but I'm not going through this shit again. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 10:32:23 PM EDT
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I don't O.C. for the obvious reasons. But I don't care one way or the other about those that do. Their life, their business. Not mine. roy d...to each his own This is the camp I find myself in. Not my style but it isn't my business to dictate yours either. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 11:10:37 PM EDT
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Don't like it? Don't do it.
Being a transplanted NY Yankee, I have a hard time being comfortable myself to open carry. It was drilled down our throats that if you even printed, you were opening yourself to a possible problem with LEO involvement. That being said, I have done it a few times down here. It has been limited to gas station trips and limited exposure type scenarios. I am trying to break myself from the paranoia that was instilled in me in NY. My preferred method for myself, is concealed, but I am "open" to open-carry from time to time in certain situations. I do find myself less concerned with total concealment however. If I print, I print, so be it. Most sheep won't even notice. Bottom line: I have no problem what so ever with anyone open carrying. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 8:41:19 AM EDT
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I carry OWB probably about 25% the time, always with a shirt (or as colder weather allows a jacket) as a cover garment.
I like OC laws simply for a little protection from brandishing charges/etc |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 8:46:55 AM EDT
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Tell you what, you do whatever your little heart desires, and I will continue to do the same. boom! exfuckingactly |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 8:50:11 AM EDT
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I open carry sometimes because I want to. so what? am I hurting you? am I infringing on anyone's rights?
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Posted: 10/9/2015 9:19:58 AM EDT
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Tell you what, you do whatever your little heart desires, and I will continue to do the same. We need more of this... I don't regularly open carry but that's my choice. I support others rights to legally carry as they see fit. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 10:35:47 AM EDT
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... am I infringing on anyone's rights? No. But you have EXPANDED the rights of others. Open carriers have shown members of the General Assembly and even the Governor that normal people carry guns for protection. Open carriers encourage others to carry as well, increasing our numbers. Much of the success we had in Georgia repealing gun control was due to Open Carriers. Ever see the Executive Director of GeorgiaCarry.Org not open carrying? His gun and holster has been photographed and published on every continent of the earth, except Antarctica. Actually, it might have been seen on Antarctica. Yes, there are times to go concealed but to denigrate Open Carriers is not appropriate. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 10:38:33 AM EDT
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We need more of this... I don't regularly open carry but that's my choice. I support others rights to legally carry as they see fit. Again, I'm not looking to infringe on anybody's open carry. I'm asking the question "why"? I've had one good answer in the thread of why and one good example of why not. I open carry on my land. I'm not against it. I don't understand the advantages of OC in urban/suburban settings. School me. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 12:41:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:I open carry on my land. I'm not against it. I don't understand the advantages of OC in urban/suburban settings. School me.
Several studies have shown that that majority of criminals will choose other victims before challenging an armed victim. But, its not 100% so you will find lots of examples of armed victims. Just look at the number of LEO's shot. Violent criminals are not right in the brain and sometimes they think they can beat the gun. If I'm wondering around my home county and Atlanta, I OC. If I'm going to an area that I'm unsure about or not familiar with, I'll cc to avoid attracting attention to myself. |
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Posted: 10/10/2015 12:05:34 AM EDT
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If.and when I do oc it usually has a shirt jacket or Hoodie over it so I guess that's not really oc.
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Posted: 10/10/2015 12:39:06 AM EDT
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I know speaking about race makes some folks uncomfortable but OC vs CC matters when you're a minority. It's smarter, from the perspective of not being harassed by LEOs, to NOT carry OC. I used to drive around with my SharpShooters car magnet on my little everyday car and can't tell you how many times I was questioned about potential concealed weapons in my car when they would pull me over for BS reasons. Luckily I always have had my CCW permit on me, but it's worth noting the harassment. No OC for me for those reasons.
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Posted: 10/10/2015 9:37:33 PM EDT
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I prefer to not attract the attention of a gun grabber or make others uncomfortable or become the first target of the bad guy. Out of sight out of mind kind of thing.
We each have our reasons to open or CCW. I even carry concealed while walking my property. One size does not fit all and I do support the RIGHT to open carry if one so desires. YMMV |
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Posted: 10/10/2015 10:39:38 PM EDT
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Holy fuck this thread sounds like a cut and paste from Everytown's or Brady's forums. All the usual tactics like male inadequacy, something to prove, etc. included here.
I personally CC, but I could give two shits about people that choose to OC. There are pros and cons to each. CC pros: element of surprise, less attention. CC cons: less comfortable, difficult with larger guns, less accessible. OC pros: more comfortable, gun size matters little, quick and easy access. OC cons: more attention, no element of surprise, harassment from ARFCOMers especially about cock size. |
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Posted: 10/11/2015 10:43:00 AM EDT
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Holy fuck this thread sounds like a cut and paste from Everytown's or Brady's forums. All the usual tactics like male inadequacy, something to prove, etc. included here. I personally CC, but I could give two shits about people that choose to OC. There are pros and cons to each. CC pros: element of surprise, less attention. CC cons: less comfortable, difficult with larger guns, less accessible. OC pros: more comfortable, gun size matters little, quick and easy access. OC cons: more attention, no element of surprise, harassment from ARFCOMers especially about cock size. +1 I carry both open and concealed, depending on a variety of factors. Concealed is very uncomfortable during the summer for me, even with a little Glock 42/43. I have to wear an undershirt, which increases the level of heat and discomfort that I have to deal with. It's also a lot slower draw. That said, if I'm going somewhere that is occupied by a bunch of soccer moms or Yankee transplants, I will conceal the gun. I will not, however, make that effort if I'm out in the country where no one cares. |
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Posted: 10/11/2015 11:23:08 AM EDT
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I,usually CC
but,i hang my junk outside my zipper 
clown |
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Posted: 10/11/2015 10:18:12 PM EDT
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I,usually CC but,i hang my junk outside my zipper
clown LOL!!!! |
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Posted: 10/13/2015 9:49:45 AM EDT
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I like what he said...
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It's just a way for generally unremarkable, insignificant, and insecure people to draw attention to themselves. Anyone arguing that open carry deters crime is living in a dream world, as real violent criminals aren't intimidated by an overweight, pasty-faced, middle-aged white guy with little/no situational awareness and a rarely-fired pistol in a cheap plastic or nylon belt holster. If that offends you, you should really take a giant step back and reevaluate how you see yourself and how you're viewed by everyone around you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I guess I don't get it. Why do folks feel the need to open carry? I have heard the argument that a right unexercised is a right lost. I'm not sure I buy that. Where does one go to get educated on the "why"? Almost everything I see with folks conducting open carry I view as a tactical disadvantage. Most don't appear to have holsters with any significant form of retention other than force to overcome or a single snap. Most seem to be folks my age whose ability to retain a firearm in a physical confrontation would be "challenged" by a younger, more fit opponent. Again, I get the socialization aspect - that seeing an overaged, overweight male open carrying "desensitizes" some of the public to firearms. I'm not aware of any recent actions where an open carrier lost control of his firearm, so my thoughts above may be way off base. But I still don't get it. I carry for personal protection. Advertising that I'm armed seems to diminish one of its tactical advantages. Flame on....school me. It's just a way for generally unremarkable, insignificant, and insecure people to draw attention to themselves. Anyone arguing that open carry deters crime is living in a dream world, as real violent criminals aren't intimidated by an overweight, pasty-faced, middle-aged white guy with little/no situational awareness and a rarely-fired pistol in a cheap plastic or nylon belt holster. If that offends you, you should really take a giant step back and reevaluate how you see yourself and how you're viewed by everyone around you. |
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Posted: 10/13/2015 10:03:59 AM EDT
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Yawn.... I knew if I waited long enough this group would appear.
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I like what he said... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I guess I don't get it. Why do folks feel the need to open carry? I have heard the argument that a right unexercised is a right lost. I'm not sure I buy that. Where does one go to get educated on the "why"? Almost everything I see with folks conducting open carry I view as a tactical disadvantage. Most don't appear to have holsters with any significant form of retention other than force to overcome or a single snap. Most seem to be folks my age whose ability to retain a firearm in a physical confrontation would be "challenged" by a younger, more fit opponent. Again, I get the socialization aspect - that seeing an overaged, overweight male open carrying "desensitizes" some of the public to firearms. I'm not aware of any recent actions where an open carrier lost control of his firearm, so my thoughts above may be way off base. But I still don't get it. I carry for personal protection. Advertising that I'm armed seems to diminish one of its tactical advantages. Flame on....school me. It's just a way for generally unremarkable, insignificant, and insecure people to draw attention to themselves. Anyone arguing that open carry deters crime is living in a dream world, as real violent criminals aren't intimidated by an overweight, pasty-faced, middle-aged white guy with little/no situational awareness and a rarely-fired pistol in a cheap plastic or nylon belt holster. If that offends you, you should really take a giant step back and reevaluate how you see yourself and how you're viewed by everyone around you. |
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Posted: 10/14/2015 6:26:03 PM EDT
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So there's nobody here that OC's? I'm not trolling. I'm looking for somebody to enlighten me and help shape opinion. I OC sometimes. Not always, but sometimes. 1. I'm tiny. It's relatively difficult to conceal all but the tiniest pistols on me to begin with. 2. Women's fashion isn't exactly conducive to concealed carry. The current fashion of loose, drapey tops has been great for me, but that's a fad and not likely to last. Fall and winter fashion with the bulky sweaters also make things a bit easier, but printing is still fairly problematic at times. 3. Soft target. By and large, the people that target tiny females are of a slightly different mentality and motive than those that target large males. They look for soft targets, so making yourself appear more difficult can act as a natural deterrent. 4. Most people don't even notice. Unless you make a point of bringing attention to it, the vast majority of people don't pay attention. Maybe it's that they don't expect to see someone like me carrying, so in passing, their mind just doesn't register it. Or maybe they're so oblivious and wrapped up in their own lives or cellphones or whatever. No matter the reason, the result is the same. Anyway, it really depends on what I'm wearing and where I'm going that day, but I open carry with some frequency. There have been a few great conversations started from it as well, as people realize that it isn't just criminals and LEOs carrying, and that it isn't limited to big, burly men either. |
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Posted: 10/15/2015 4:54:57 PM EDT
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+1 I carry both open and concealed, depending on a variety of factors. Concealed is very uncomfortable during the summer for me, even with a little Glock 42/43. I have to wear an undershirt, which increases the level of heat and discomfort that I have to deal with. It's also a lot slower draw. That said, if I'm going somewhere that is occupied by a bunch of soccer moms or Yankee transplants, I will conceal the gun. I will not, however, make that effort if I'm out in the country where no one cares. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Holy fuck this thread sounds like a cut and paste from Everytown's or Brady's forums. All the usual tactics like male inadequacy, something to prove, etc. included here. I personally CC, but I could give two shits about people that choose to OC. There are pros and cons to each. CC pros: element of surprise, less attention. CC cons: less comfortable, difficult with larger guns, less accessible. OC pros: more comfortable, gun size matters little, quick and easy access. OC cons: more attention, no element of surprise, harassment from ARFCOMers especially about cock size. +1 I carry both open and concealed, depending on a variety of factors. Concealed is very uncomfortable during the summer for me, even with a little Glock 42/43. I have to wear an undershirt, which increases the level of heat and discomfort that I have to deal with. It's also a lot slower draw. That said, if I'm going somewhere that is occupied by a bunch of soccer moms or Yankee transplants, I will conceal the gun. I will not, however, make that effort if I'm out in the country where no one cares. +2. I don't make a habit of open carrying, but my background in CCW comes from Florida, where you can be arrested for accidentally allowing a portion of your concealed carry to show, even if only for a brief moment. In the car, cover garments make drawing cumbersome, so I open carry in the car. Once, I was almost arrested because I forgot to pull my shirt tail back down over my pistol when entering a store. Here in Georgia, my mine is more at piece. I generally carry concealed, but I'm not afraid of carrying openly, either. I don't buy into the "you'll be the first one shot" frame of mind. Sure, it might happen, but I might get killed on I20 just getting where I'm going. I also don't buy into the "open carriers won't get robbed because the criminals will be scared off" line either. It's happened. Situational awareness is a much greater deterrence to crime than open carrying. YMMV. |
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Posted: 10/16/2015 11:30:51 PM EDT
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During the summer I OC......during the day I OC....but I am at the shop 6 days a week and very rarely go anywhere else other than the grocery store or gas station on the way home...........if I go to a concert or dinner....I do the best I can to conceal.....90% of the time I am in jeans and a work shirt.....I'm old and fat and an inside the waist band is uncomfortable as hell.....so yaqui slide in the summer.......and I usually go to a shoulder rig in the winter under a windbreaker....in the slide I carry a 1911 Officers model........shoulder rig full size 1911........If I am in a meeting or a business setting...I usually have a 1911 in briefcase.....not gonna get my panties in a wad either way.............if someone asks me to leave because of OC...I do.....but I honestly don't recall it ever happening....I think because of the way I am built......dark shirt dark pants dark gun and I keep my arm down and in contact with the butt when people are behind me.........most people never even notice it.....
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