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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:53:36 AM EDT
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I am using him for something else, but Dean Phillips in Marietta does trusts. Met with him in person, real good guy.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 4:19:05 AM EDT
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I am using him for something else, but Dean Phillips in Marietta does trusts. Met with him in person, real good guy. do you happen to know what he charges? |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 4:30:50 AM EDT
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He charges $125
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Posted: 7/24/2014 4:34:19 AM EDT
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Quicken will maker did mine
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Posted: 7/24/2014 5:24:27 AM EDT
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Quicken will maker did mine Same here. There are even sample of trusts on the Internet that have all that you need. "lawyer backed" in this case doesn't amount to a hill of beans. Here is a link to a free one. Just change it up to meet your needs. NY Revocable Trust Here is one that you can copy/paste into a word processor and edit to your needs. Cut/Paste Revocable Trust <<Edited to add a sample free trust>> |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 6:46:50 AM EDT
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Same here. There are even sample of trusts on the Internet that have all that you need. "lawyer backed" in this case doesn't amount to a hill of beans. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quicken will maker did mine Same here. There are even sample of trusts on the Internet that have all that you need. "lawyer backed" in this case doesn't amount to a hill of beans. Also this. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 7:46:11 AM EDT
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I set mine up with Quicken Willmaker in 2009 and have used it to acquire a number of NFA items. Before I did that, though, I throughly researched the Georgia Code regarding trusts, found out the law was straightforward and when I did my trust, I kept it very simple. I am the grantor and only trustee and my wife is named as the sucessor trustee. Also, my family situation is uncomplicated as I have no children so my wife is the sole beneficiary of the trust property. I am very comfortable with the trust I established. However, if the do-it-yourself approach isn't in your comfort zone, by all means go to an attorney.
I set up my trust out a concern for privacy as much as anything else. Before I had it, I never experienced difficulty getting the county sheriff to sign the law enforcment cetification on my forms. The thing was, I didn't care for the fact that half the deputies and other staff in the (small) department ended up knowing I had NFA stuff. Besides, it just went against my grain that I had to seek "permission" from the po-po to get something that was 100% legal for me to possess. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 8:28:11 AM EDT
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This guy was setup at a gun shop that I recently visited in Gainesville.
Ryan M Reid Www.ryanreidlaw.com 678 971 4664 My trust was built in Sc and he reviewed it to make sure everything was good to go. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 8:39:12 AM EDT
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Gearhog.com just had a trust special for $69.00. Friend of mine scored one.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 8:57:55 AM EDT
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I took the template posted by Maryland_Shooter in our very own NFA subforum and tweaked it to suit my needs.
Works like a charm. Cost: $0
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Posted: 7/24/2014 9:33:31 AM EDT
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I took the template posted by Maryland_Shooter in our very own NFA subforum and tweaked it to suit my needs. Works like a charm. Cost: $0 I would not be surprised if some of the lawyers are using similar forms and just popping in people's info. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 10:00:49 AM EDT
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I took the template posted by Maryland_Shooter in our very own NFA subforum and tweaked it to suit my needs. Works like a charm. Cost: $0 Have you or anyone you know of had that trust reviewed by an attorney after updating info? I am still on the fence as to which way to go. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 10:08:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you or anyone you know of had that trust reviewed by an attorney after updating info? I am still on the fence as to which way to go. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I took the template posted by Maryland_Shooter in our very own NFA subforum and tweaked it to suit my needs. Works like a charm. Cost: $0 Have you or anyone you know of had that trust reviewed by an attorney after updating info? I am still on the fence as to which way to go. Nope, I see no need. A trust is a very simple legal document, all things considered. With that said, I will only ever use this trust for NFA. If I intended to use it for other property or estate planning, I would seek the services of an attorney.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 10:57:26 AM EDT
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Nope, I see no need. A trust is a very simple legal document, all things considered. With that said, I will only ever use this trust for NFA. If I intended to use it for other property or estate planning, I would seek the services of an attorney. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I took the template posted by Maryland_Shooter in our very own NFA subforum and tweaked it to suit my needs. Works like a charm. Cost: $0 Have you or anyone you know of had that trust reviewed by an attorney after updating info? I am still on the fence as to which way to go. Nope, I see no need. A trust is a very simple legal document, all things considered. With that said, I will only ever use this trust for NFA. If I intended to use it for other property or estate planning, I would seek the services of an attorney. I have compared mine to the lawyer written ones above. They are pretty close to identical |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 11:06:25 AM EDT
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I would not be surprised if some of the lawyers are using similar forms and just popping in people's info. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I took the template posted by Maryland_Shooter in our very own NFA subforum and tweaked it to suit my needs. Works like a charm. Cost: $0 I would not be surprised if some of the lawyers are using similar forms and just popping in people's info. Hell yes, change names/counties, etc. $200 for 10 minutes of time and have a nice day. Can't blame them, everyone's got to eat and some people will always want a "lawyer written" trust. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 11:19:13 AM EDT
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Nope, I see no need. A trust is a very simple legal document, all things considered. With that said, I will only ever use this trust for NFA. If I intended to use it for other property or estate planning, I would seek the services of an attorney. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I took the template posted by Maryland_Shooter in our very own NFA subforum and tweaked it to suit my needs. Works like a charm. Cost: $0 Have you or anyone you know of had that trust reviewed by an attorney after updating info? I am still on the fence as to which way to go. Nope, I see no need. A trust is a very simple legal document, all things considered. With that said, I will only ever use this trust for NFA. If I intended to use it for other property or estate planning, I would seek the services of an attorney. That's why I'm thinking lawyer first go around, that way I can go ahead and put other things on as well and make sure my son is covered in case the grass suddenly hits the other side. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 11:25:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's why I'm thinking lawyer first go around, that way I can go ahead and put other things on as well and make sure my son is covered in case the grass suddenly hits the other side. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I took the template posted by Maryland_Shooter in our very own NFA subforum and tweaked it to suit my needs. Works like a charm. Cost: $0 Have you or anyone you know of had that trust reviewed by an attorney after updating info? I am still on the fence as to which way to go. Nope, I see no need. A trust is a very simple legal document, all things considered. With that said, I will only ever use this trust for NFA. If I intended to use it for other property or estate planning, I would seek the services of an attorney. That's why I'm thinking lawyer first go around, that way I can go ahead and put other things on as well and make sure my son is covered in case the grass suddenly hits the other side. I'd recommend an attorney who specializes in estate planning, then.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 11:36:54 AM EDT
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I got my NC trust in a package deal from my suppressor dealer, I think it was $79 at the time. It was actually set up by David Goldman out of Jacksonville, FL. http://www.guntrustlawyer.com/
I agree it wasn't necessary, but neither is wearing a helmet or putting on a seatbelt. It all comes down to personal comfort zones. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 12:29:11 PM EDT
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I got my NC trust in a package deal from my suppressor dealer, I think it was $79 at the time. It was actually set up by David Goldman out of Jacksonville, FL. http://www.guntrustlawyer.com/ I agree it wasn't necessary, but neither is wearing a helmet or putting on a seatbelt. It all comes down to personal comfort zones. Actually, most states have laws about helmet or seatbelt use. :) There is no law that requires that your trust be prepared by a lawyer. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 12:32:54 PM EDT
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Is there any law (State or Fed.) that specifically states what must be included in an NFA trust? Is there anything commonly left out that may cause issues in the future?
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Posted: 7/24/2014 12:47:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there any law (State or Fed.) that specifically states what must be included in an NFA trust? Is there anything commonly left out that may cause issues in the future? There is nothing magic that makes a regular trust an NFA trust. A trust is a trust is a trust.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 1:02:56 PM EDT
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Got ya, thanks! Please excuse my ignorance, this is all new to me.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 1:13:11 PM EDT
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Is there any law (State or Fed.) that specifically states what must be included in an NFA trust? Is there anything commonly left out that may cause issues in the future? The only thing that you have to have is a schedule A. I forget if there is anything else that is needed. The examiner is not going to go over your trust like a lawyer would for litigation or anything like that. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 1:56:16 PM EDT
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10-4
Im thinking of getting the suppressor from Silencer Shop and just adding their trust and stamp to the cart. I can swing $130 for a trust and not worry about if I missed something. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 5:04:11 PM EDT
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So all of the talk about you or a shop setting up a trust being practicing law without a license is a bunch of baloney?
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Posted: 7/25/2014 12:01:14 PM EDT
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I don't know much about NFA trusts, but this is of interest to me as I own the Sig 556xi and the shorter barrels will (hopefully) start being offered. If you set up a trust can you put any number of SBRs (or class 3) in it without having to go through a long process? Do you have to pay the Tax Stamp on each weapon?
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Posted: 7/25/2014 12:35:06 PM EDT
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I don't know much about NFA trusts, but this is of interest to me as I own the Sig 556xi and the shorter barrels will (hopefully) start being offered. If you set up a trust can you put any number of SBRs (or class 3) in it without having to go through a long process? Do you have to pay the Tax Stamp on each weapon? You still have to pay the tax. The trust just simplifies the ATF portion. No CLEO signoff, etc. |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 4:20:28 PM EDT
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So what's the verdict on the practicing law without a license deal?
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Posted: 7/28/2014 4:31:45 PM EDT
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So what's the verdict on the practicing law without a license deal? The one person that I know that had the shop help them, the shop didn't do it, they just let you use the computer and told you what it was asking for. So technically they weren't doing it, you were. |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 5:39:26 PM EDT
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The one person that I know that had the shop help them, the shop didn't do it, they just let you use the computer and told you what it was asking for. So technically they weren't doing it, you were. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So what's the verdict on the practicing law without a license deal? The one person that I know that had the shop help them, the shop didn't do it, they just let you use the computer and told you what it was asking for. So technically they weren't doing it, you were. So you would be the one operating illegally instead of the shop. |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 6:04:00 PM EDT
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So you would be the one operating illegally instead of the shop. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So what's the verdict on the practicing law without a license deal? The one person that I know that had the shop help them, the shop didn't do it, they just let you use the computer and told you what it was asking for. So technically they weren't doing it, you were. So you would be the one operating illegally instead of the shop. Not sure if you are serious. But if you are how is writing a trust any different from forming an LLC? Or writing a will? |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 6:13:00 PM EDT
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I used Willmaker 2007 and I've got three stamps now.
It does the job and I'm sure I'm on the up and up but I'm not 100% confident I would trust it to will items to my wife if I died. If I buy a machine gun or a high dollar suppressor I'm going to have it looked at by a lawyer and pay the $$'s just for peace of mind. Right now the instructions to my wife if I die are sell the uppers, send a letter to the ATF to remove the lowers from the registry and then sell the lowers for whatever. The .22 can should be bandsawed into 4 pieces, photographed and sent certified mail to the atf in a cardboard box for all I care. This is from my dead husband, deal with it assholes. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 4:35:21 PM EDT
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So you would be the one operating illegally instead of the shop. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So what's the verdict on the practicing law without a license deal? The one person that I know that had the shop help them, the shop didn't do it, they just let you use the computer and told you what it was asking for. So technically they weren't doing it, you were. So you would be the one operating illegally instead of the shop. Wtf? 
Nothing illegal about it. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 5:51:33 PM EDT
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I have referred Doug King at my shop on numerous occasions.
He's once again practicing law on a limited basis, td |
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Posted: 7/30/2014 2:56:01 PM EDT
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I have referred Doug King at my shop on numerous occasions. He's once again practicing law on a limited basis, td That's who I used. |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 9:29:40 AM EDT
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That's who I used. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have referred Doug King at my shop on numerous occasions. He's once again practicing law on a limited basis, td That's who I used. |
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