Like others said...it's easier and faster of a process.

Plus it's been done so many times before they just follow to the letter.

I'm still tweaked about the one where the mom shoots her son and then herself. That video freaked me out.

Now there is talk coming from Nicks saying it never happened.

surprise!

I don't know where you come up with that. I called this morning to find out if they were going to be open and was told plainly what happened.

they aren't too happy that the kid chose their place to off himself but what do you do?

what is your purpose in trying to start shit over this? are you that immature that you use the occasion of someone's death to advance your panty boy bullshit?

you know, Sigforum has a thread about this as well. most of those people say they have had good experiences and good things to say about Nick's. I think it says a lot about the people bitching and moaning when other more mature and experienced shooters seem to have no problem...

............. I agree

RSO, ON the range with physical presence, not just an RSO on the other side of glass would stop a lot of things like that.

where is hkshooter and his avatar?

Considdering that I work as an RSO as well, Ill answer the question. Can I stop it from happening, probably not. But actual physical presence on the range where the bays are, does make for a better deterrant than someone on the other side of a glass wall and only randomly looking in when they hear something.


How do you figure its staffing problems? It should be figured into the cost of doing business. Which would you rather have $16,640, per person, per 2080hrs they work added onto your total overhead costs which you can pass onto your customers to recoup that money. OR shut down your range and store and lose all that business for 3 days?

An ounce of pervention is a great thing.

I never said it's not a deterrent. RSO's on range are a deterrent, to an extent. I've worked as a paramedic for a number of years, and have seen the results of people killing themselves more times then I wish, and there are a few things I've learned. Once someone finishes the planning stage, they are very hard to not only detect (because they get happy, and seem content due to their accepting their decision), but to stop. There was one situation where we were present and police were present and the person still killed himself. Hell, I responded to a psych hospital (a considerably more controlled environment then a gun range) one time because one of their patients tried to kill themselves (that patient ultimately succeeded too). So deterrence only works up to a point. And while I agree that RSO on range, is a good idea, I still don't believe that it would have prevented this situation here or at any other range.

As far as staffing I should clarify. I don't believe it's staffing problems but business concerns. Like you said having one person acting as an RSO would cost money, that ultimately would be passed on to consumers. That is a business decision, where any range operator needs to weigh the expenses vs. the final cost to the consumer. You yourself said that you probably could not prevent something like this, so it raises a few business questions. Do I pay one person or multiple people, even minimum wage to be an RSO to try to prevent someone from killing them self, an event that in this case happened 5 or so years after the change in ownership, with no guarantee that they will be able to change the outcome; in which case I could very easily have the same financial repercussions as if I had not hired that person. Or do I not higher that person, save the money and pass the reduced cost to the consumer. Like I said it's a business concern that every range operator in the country has to make at some point. Some do, some don't. Do I personally think every range should have an RSO, damn right I do, if only to stop a lot of dumb things I've seen on range, but I don't think it would have changed the outcome. Maybe I'm just jaded from having seen so many people kill themselves.

An ounce of prevention is a great thing, unless you need a pound.

well, if that's the case, it shows a potential for better management skills on the part of whoever was behind the helm that morning. this was going to come out eventually, and unless dealt with appropriately, it had/has the potential to become a PR problem.

the first thing I would have done even before opening the door the next morning is have a quick meeting to brief all employees on what occurred and how to respond to the inevitable inquiries.

you can't really blame them though, it's not like someone committing suicide in your place of business is a common occurrence. I bet it's hard to know just how to react...

totally agree. I've seen a lot of young people kill themselves, and it NEVER EVER makes sense, even when they leave a note saying why, it still doesn't make sense.

I agree. There is a range in my area that is uninhabitable if 2 or more people are shooting.

Sucks about the kid.

I guess you haven't seen the video of a mother and son. Son was being taught how to use a gun from what the video shows, guy was instructing and the mother was behind the son and shot him. Shit happens and nobody is a miracle worker