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Posted: 3/13/2012 1:39:26 AM
Originally Posted By KVegasAK:
Here is how stupid that part of the CCW law is to me. I was in Wally World one night. Like always when I get off work late at night I always have my PF9 in my pocket. I was in the back of the store looking at a carpety/steam cleaner. I was squatted down reading some things on one of the boxes of the steam cleaner I was thinking of buying. I heard some footsteps going by so I looked up and it was a city cop walking by. He said hello to me while he was walking by and I said hello back. That was the entirety of the exchange between he and I. Now I guess I was suppose to stand up, go walk after him and say "hey just wanted you to know I'm carrying a gun and I have a permit". Well I didn't. I just went on back to reading the things on the steam cleaner box. What purpose at all does informing a cop serve? It serves no purpose at all. And in most states its not even required. I do think if a cop ask you if you have a weapon you should obviously tell him. But I don't see the purpose in volunteering the info, other than to possibly make him nervous when there was no need at all for that to begin with. Cops have enough crap to deal with on a daily basis. You obviously either were misinformed in your CHP class or missed the part about the definition of approached. You are not required to notify a LEO on a non business exchange such as what you described. If you are standing next to an officer at the donut shop and you nod at each other there is no duty to notify. Now if he walks up to you and starts a conversation like mind if I ask you a few questions, best to be notifying. If the officer is conducting official business then you must notify. Casual hellos are not official business. |
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Posted: 3/13/2012 7:17:43 AM
Originally Posted By O-Face:
Originally Posted By UrbancommandoX:
He got an extremely low bond. I doubt you have to notify them of a permit if your not carrying a gun. Hell you have to have a permit for everything now a days. So if your not In the act of using permits then no reason to notify anyone. That's because of the DWI. Case law has forced magistrates to set low to written promise/unsecured bonds where DWI is the primary charge. The defendant has to have a reasonable way to get out of jail so that he may seek secondary testing (at his own expense). Magistrates were setting sky-high bonds based on secondary charges and some slick attorney convinced someone that his client was being denied his right to seek evidence that may prove him innocent. It sucks, but it is what it is. Around here a judge will give a misdemeanor charge just one a bond over a grand. Hell he had three felonies. |
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Posted: 3/13/2012 8:22:16 PM
Originally Posted By JosephTurrisi:
Originally Posted By Landric:
Originally Posted By Rocketman:
I believe I'm correct in saying that in NC when they run your tag it will come back saying if you have a CCW or not. A state trooper told me that was the case during a traffic stop and I've always operated under that assumption. To me it's not a big deal to say "officer I have a CCW but I don't have a concealed weapon at this time". I see that as just common courtesy and no different than turning on your dome light and keeping your hands on the steering wheel during a traffic stop. My experience has been, at least with state troopers, that making that statement has always resulted in a positive response/interaction of some kind. That's never a bad thing when you've been popped for speeding, especially if no ticket has been written yet. It isn't the license plate but the driver license that will return CHP status when run though the system. A lot of systems are set up to run the license status (and therefore also NCIC/DCI/CHP records) automatically, but the information is not technically linked to registration plates, just driver licenses. I can tell you that several years ago I got pull over on the Blue Ridge Parkway and the very first thing the park ranger said was where is you pistol. I ask him what gave him any idea that I had a gun on me and he said that when he ran my plate the info came back that I had NC CHP Which likely means either the system on his MDT automatically runs a driver license and DCI/NCIC check, or his dispatcher does. CHP information is not specifically linked to license plates. Since most systems run additional checks when a license plate is run, it is kind of a moot point these days. Back before all the automatic checks happened it made more of a difference. There was a time when running a driver license number didn't automatically check NCIC/DCI, it had to be run name and date of birth to check wanted/CHP/sex offender/etc. status. |
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Posted: 3/14/2012 3:38:04 AM
Originally Posted By UrbancommandoX:
Originally Posted By O-Face:
Originally Posted By UrbancommandoX:
He got an extremely low bond. I doubt you have to notify them of a permit if your not carrying a gun. Hell you have to have a permit for everything now a days. So if your not In the act of using permits then no reason to notify anyone. That's because of the DWI. Case law has forced magistrates to set low to written promise/unsecured bonds where DWI is the primary charge. The defendant has to have a reasonable way to get out of jail so that he may seek secondary testing (at his own expense). Magistrates were setting sky-high bonds based on secondary charges and some slick attorney convinced someone that his client was being denied his right to seek evidence that may prove him innocent. It sucks, but it is what it is. Around here a judge will give a misdemeanor charge just one a bond over a grand. Hell he had three felonies. Just one. Hit and run with PI is a felony. The rest of his charges were misdemeanors. The H&R w/PI is considered an aggravating factor in the DWI. This ups the stakes in that particular charge and will result in a harsher combined punishment. If you lose the DWI because a magistrate created a hindrance in the defendant being able to collect evidence for his defense, the overall case will yield nothing more than a slap on the wrist. As to those who post that you must disclose your status of being an unarmed permittee to LEO upon contact... The simple answer is that you have received bad information. Before you get all huffy and try to quote a LEO source, let me be the first to inform you that they have also received bad information and they aren't alone. In fact, it is so widespread that during the last NCJA firearms instructor conference they have advised them to correct their officers during in-service because too many chuckle-heads were charging people based their misinterpretation of the law and this has been perpetuating the myth. |
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