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Posted: 6/22/2012 11:53:17 PM
Originally Posted By Landric: Originally Posted By 6530: Originally Posted By Landric: I agree. Unless the NC AG is prompted, I'm sure there won't be any reinterptations of the new law.There is a thread over in the SBR section where someone in NC submitted a form 1 to make an SBR with "all lawful purpose" as the reason on 4i and it was returned for the addition of the NC specific language "for scientific and experimental purposes under NC general statute 14-288.8". I submitted two form 1s in January of this year with "All lawful purpose" in 4i to see if they got approved like that, so I'm expecting a similar fix it letter (hopefully soon). It would seem that no changes have been made in relation to NC law as of yet at the NFA Branch. I got the fix it letter on the 9mm SBR Monday of last week. I did, and got the stamp in the mail Saturday of last week, along with a fix it letter for the 5.56mm SBR. Hopefully the trend will continue and I will get the 5.56 stamp this Saturday, as I mailed back the corrected form 1s today. Results: http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c85/Landric/9mmSBR1.jpg Judging by the photo you have a 9mm SBR with a can. SBRs & suppressors were always OK under the prior state law. The current law purportedly allows MGs, but the ATF won't approve MGs in NC without a permit from the county sheriff until they receive a letter from the NCAG interpreting the new law such that the NCAG says a sheriff's permit isn't required. |
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Posted: 7/23/2012 12:40:36 PM
Wow some bad info on here
First the BATF doing away with the CLEO signature! The BATF has been working on getting this changed but to do so they must get the US attorney general to sign off on the change! And Erick Holder who is the Attorney General a this time will not do this so till there is a new Attorney General appointed by a new administration this will not take place! The rumors that BATF is making up new forms that didn’t require a CLEO signature is just rumor at this point. The information above comes from the BATF I called and spoke with them on this matter. There statement was till a Attorney General is appointed to the office that will sign off on the change it will not happen. And once on is appointed that it would take around two years before it went into effect. As for the changes to NC NFA law the passing of this new law did take the question mark out of water a Trust can own NFA till the passing of the new law the NC Attorney General has stated that A Trust was not a vaulted entity to own NFA. Now with the way the new law was written it removed the question mark about Trust being able to own NFA. There is still a question about if a older trust before the change is valid or not! And it did do away with the machinegun Permit! But till the NC Attorney General send the BATF a letter confirming the change BATF has stated there will be no changes to policy until they get a letter. So all paper work is still the same as before if you move to NC you must file a 5320 and you mist attach a machinegun Permit signed by the sheriff of the county you are moving to if you don’t it will be kicked back to you unapproved. Also what a lot of people don’t now is you don’t need a machinegun Permit for every machinegun you get. Once you have a machinegun Permit from your sheriff all you need to do is make a copy and send in with you paper work for each transfer. Just keep in mind that when you summit transfer paperwork that is incorrect all you do is slow down the transfers of the people who follow the rules. And yes I am a 07/02 in North Carolina, I do transfers all the time and can’t understand whey someone would want to slow down a process that already take a long time |
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Posted: 7/23/2012 12:57:09 PM
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Originally Posted By Tobyc:
So all paper work is still the same as before if you move to NC you must file a 5320 and you mist attach a machinegun Permit signed by the sheriff of the county you are moving to if you don’t it will be kicked back to you unapproved. Also what a lot of people don’t now is you don’t need a machinegun Permit for every machinegun you get. Once you have a machinegun Permit from your sheriff all you need to do is make a copy and send in with you paper work for each transfer. I did not have to have a permit for the 5320, becuase I possesed them, hence they were already "approved". Now saying that I got a "permit" before I brought them here. Talking with Ms Snook (she did my 5320s), she said you only need the state permit for the form 4 (at least at the fed level) The bullshit catch 22 is that for the mill you cannot have a permit because in most cases you dont have a residence before you get here. They f-ed up part in the locals do know know what the permit is, or what it should say. I had to tell the guy that I wanted a statement that the sherrif knew I had them and that I had fullfilled requirements |
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Posted: 7/23/2012 1:10:32 PM
Originally Posted By 6530:
Originally Posted By Landric:
Originally Posted By 6530:
Originally Posted By Landric:
I agree. Unless the NC AG is prompted, I'm sure there won't be any reinterptations of the new law.
There is a thread over in the SBR section where someone in NC submitted a form 1 to make an SBR with "all lawful purpose" as the reason on 4i and it was returned for the addition of the NC specific language "for scientific and experimental purposes under NC general statute 14-288.8". I submitted two form 1s in January of this year with "All lawful purpose" in 4i to see if they got approved like that, so I'm expecting a similar fix it letter (hopefully soon). It would seem that no changes have been made in relation to NC law as of yet at the NFA Branch. I got the fix it letter on the 9mm SBR Monday of last week. I did, and got the stamp in the mail Saturday of last week, along with a fix it letter for the 5.56mm SBR. Hopefully the trend will continue and I will get the 5.56 stamp this Saturday, as I mailed back the corrected form 1s today. Results: http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c85/Landric/9mmSBR1.jpg Judging by the photo you have a 9mm SBR with a can. SBRs & suppressors were always OK under the prior state law. The current law purportedly allows MGs, but the ATF won't approve MGs in NC without a permit from the county sheriff until they receive a letter from the NCAG interpreting the new law such that the NCAG says a sheriff's permit isn't required. Very true. Howvever, my thinking was that the new addition to 14-288.8 removed the "scientific and/or experimental purposes" requirement for NFA ownership in NC, not just for machineguns, but all NFA. At least at the present time the NFA Branch doesn't agree, and is still requiring a reference to 14-288.8 and/or scientific or experimental purposes. |
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Posted: 7/29/2012 1:57:40 PM
My department sold its old Reising SMG to someone to fund the purchase of some other equipment. The form 4 he submitted for the transfer came back last week requesting a permit from the sheriff of his county of residence. So, looks like NFA is still requiring that, at least at the moment.
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Posted: 7/29/2012 3:48:13 PM
Originally Posted By Landric: My department sold its old Reising SMG to someone to fund the purchase of some other equipment. The form 4 he submitted for the transfer came back last week requesting a permit from the sheriff of his county of residence. So, looks like NFA is still requiring that, at least at the moment. A guy I know just got his back and it required it also. Need to get a clarification on the law and update the NFA department on it. |
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Posted: 7/29/2012 7:42:11 PM
Originally Posted By MadMardigan:
Originally Posted By Landric:
My department sold its old Reising SMG to someone to fund the purchase of some other equipment. The form 4 he submitted for the transfer came back last week requesting a permit from the sheriff of his county of residence. So, looks like NFA is still requiring that, at least at the moment. A guy I know just got his back and it required it also. Need to get a clarification on the law and update the NFA department on it. My understanding is that the NFA branch isn't going to change its stance on requiring a permit until they get an opinion from the NC Attorney General saying that said permit is no longer required. So, I'm not holding my breath on that. I have a friend who's father is looking to sell a M11/9. I need to track down the sheriff this week and see if he will give me a permit for said M11/9 before I start selling off stuff I don't need to fund the purchase. No point if the sheriff won't give me the permit. Still, this might be one of the few NFA related things where being a LEO might actually help me, all be it for a local permit rather than a transfer approval. I'll ask, the worst he can say is no. I'll probably be moving out of state sometime in the next few years anyway, and I can always wait until then to get into the machinegun game if I have to. |
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Posted: 7/30/2012 7:23:16 PM
Originally Posted By Landric: Originally Posted By MadMardigan: Originally Posted By Landric: My department sold its old Reising SMG to someone to fund the purchase of some other equipment. The form 4 he submitted for the transfer came back last week requesting a permit from the sheriff of his county of residence. So, looks like NFA is still requiring that, at least at the moment. A guy I know just got his back and it required it also. Need to get a clarification on the law and update the NFA department on it. My understanding is that the NFA branch isn't going to change its stance on requiring a permit until they get an opinion from the NC Attorney General saying that said permit is no longer required. So, I'm not holding my breath on that. I have a friend who's father is looking to sell a M11/9. I need to track down the sheriff this week and see if he will give me a permit for said M11/9 before I start selling off stuff I don't need to fund the purchase. No point if the sheriff won't give me the permit. Still, this might be one of the few NFA related things where being a LEO might actually help me, all be it for a local permit rather than a transfer approval. I'll ask, the worst he can say is no. I'll probably be moving out of state sometime in the next few years anyway, and I can always wait until then to get into the machinegun game if I have to. If you do get the M11/9 Lage.. M11/22, Max 11, Max 11/22, and Max 31.
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Posted: 7/30/2012 8:02:22 PM
I'm on the waiting list already for a M11/22 and Max-31. Worst case scenario is that I have the stuff from Lage and no gun because the Sheriff won't give me a permit. If that happens, when I move I'll buy one. The state I am probably moving to is MG friendly and no permit is required. I am planning on stocking up on drums for the Max-31 now, as I expect the supply to eventually dry up, at least the reasonably priced supply. That already seems to have happened with the coffin magazines.
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Posted: 7/31/2012 1:55:06 PM
Originally Posted By Landric: I'm on the waiting list already for a M11/22 and Max-31. Worst case scenario is that I have the stuff from Lage and no gun because the Sheriff won't give me a permit. If that happens, when I move I'll buy one. The state I am probably moving to is MG friendly and no permit is required. I am planning on stocking up on drums for the Max-31 now, as I expect the supply to eventually dry up, at least the reasonably priced supply. That already seems to have happened with the coffin magazines. Coffin are up to 50 bucks in most places. I am finding drums for 25 to 30. Going to order 10 more drums this week. |
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Posted: 7/31/2012 9:10:59 PM
Wow, lots of activity here lately. Originally Posted By Landric: My department sold its old Reising SMG to someone to fund the purchase of some other equipment. The form 4 he submitted for the transfer came back last week requesting a permit from the sheriff of his county of residence. So, looks like NFA is still requiring that, at least at the moment. No surprise there. How long do you think it'll take the NCAG to reinterpret the new law? |
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Posted: 7/31/2012 9:44:05 PM
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Originally Posted By 6530:
Wow, lots of activity here lately. Originally Posted By Landric:
My department sold its old Reising SMG to someone to fund the purchase of some other equipment. The form 4 he submitted for the transfer came back last week requesting a permit from the sheriff of his county of residence. So, looks like NFA is still requiring that, at least at the moment. No surprise there. How long do you think it'll take the NCAG to reinterpret the new law? When is hell scheduled to freeze over? 
ETA: I talked to the sheriff today and he told me that provided I passed the standard handgun permit background check (no problem) he would give me a permit for a machinegun. So, that hurdle is past. Now I need to get the deal worked out and find the money. |
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Posted: 8/1/2012 10:29:25 PM
Originally Posted By Landric: Great news!
Originally Posted By 6530: Wow, lots of activity here lately. Originally Posted By Landric: My department sold its old Reising SMG to someone to fund the purchase of some other equipment. The form 4 he submitted for the transfer came back last week requesting a permit from the sheriff of his county of residence. So, looks like NFA is still requiring that, at least at the moment. No surprise there. How long do you think it'll take the NCAG to reinterpret the new law? When is hell scheduled to freeze over? ETA: I talked to the sheriff today and he told me that provided I passed the standard handgun permit background check (no problem) he would give me a permit for a machinegun. So, that hurdle is past. Now I need to get the deal worked out and find the money. |
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Posted: 8/6/2012 9:25:10 PM
Originally Posted By Landric: What county are you in?When is hell scheduled to freeze over? ETA: I talked to the sheriff today and he told me that provided I passed the standard handgun permit background check (no problem) he would give me a permit for a machinegun. So, that hurdle is past. Now I need to get the deal worked out and find the money. |
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Posted: 8/7/2012 3:41:50 AM
Originally Posted By 6530:
Originally Posted By Landric:
What county are you in?
When is hell scheduled to freeze over?
ETA: I talked to the sheriff today and he told me that provided I passed the standard handgun permit background check (no problem) he would give me a permit for a machinegun. So, that hurdle is past. Now I need to get the deal worked out and find the money. Not trying to offend but giving out county /sheriff's names that will sign a mg permit on a public forum is the reason most sheriff's will NOT sign a MG permit for anyone. So please just provide that info per pm if you will. Btw congrats I hope you get it! 
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Posted: 8/21/2012 4:56:32 AM
Anyone had any dealings getting signatures in Guilford County? Just moved into Guilford from Randolph County and was wondering what to expect before I head down to the office.
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Posted: 8/28/2012 6:39:52 PM
[Last Edit: 8/28/2012 6:49:36 PM by jb2c]
Any updates to this thread? It sounds as if the ATF isn't going to change their policies until they have word from the NC AG. And we all know the NC AG isn't going to do anythying with it unless he has to. Why is Cooper opposed to guns?? And why isn't there a pro-gun candidate running for office in November?? My impression is that the legislature has made a decision on this (can you say... "we the people"), but the AG is holding things up. How about an email campaign to flood the AG's mailbox asking for the letter to ATF??
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Posted: 8/29/2012 7:57:17 PM
Anyone have a good format to write to AG Cooper?
http://ncdoj.gov/getdoc/d1ba7632-eced-41be-945f-8c2015756efe/ContactNCDOJ.aspx
That is the Contact site. Firemisison? |
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Posted: 9/3/2012 7:51:07 AM
Anyone know if the Sheriff of Brunswick county will sign?
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Posted: 9/3/2012 8:40:24 PM
Originally Posted By rcassettyjr:
Anyone know if the Sheriff of Brunswick county will sign? See BlackOps post above. |
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Posted: 9/25/2012 7:22:45 PM
I have an AR pistol I want to SBR. I heard that you dont need a sheriffs signature, but any cleo will do. Be it a judge, DA or city PD chief. The particular county I live in, it is hard to get the sheriff to sign NFA stuff. In fact he wont at all. I just want to confirm its any CLEO. I wish I could find where I read that but I cant. Anyone know how true this is?
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Posted: 9/26/2012 10:07:13 AM
Originally Posted By Sparticus20: I have an AR pistol I want to SBR. I heard that you dont need a sheriffs signature, but any cleo will do. Be it a judge, DA or city PD chief. The particular county I live in, it is hard to get the sheriff to sign NFA stuff. In fact he wont at all. I just want to confirm its any CLEO. I wish I could find where I read that but I cant. Anyone know how true this is? Thanks! yes-go to the atf website, they have a faq read it |
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Posted: 9/26/2012 10:30:50 AM
Originally Posted By rcassettyjr:
Anyone know if the Sheriff of Brunswick county will sign? I was told by a local shop he wont sign but i never have tried to ask. I too am intrested in building a sbr but this is my hurdle in my way. I dont want to go the trust route. |
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Posted: 9/27/2012 7:53:22 AM
Originally Posted By doubleshot00:
Originally Posted By rcassettyjr:
Anyone know if the Sheriff of Brunswick county will sign? I was told by a local shop he wont sign but i never have tried to ask. I too am intrested in building a sbr but this is my hurdle in my way. I dont want to go the trust route. Any CLEO that has jurisdiction where you live can sign. That means the sheriff of your county, the DA of your judicial district, a judge in your judicial district, or a chief of police of a city or town where you live. If you live outside the PDs jurisdiction (1+ mile outside the city limits) then the chief of the PD cannot sign. The only NFA item that is "sheriff only" is a machinegun. That is because NC law requires a permit from the sheriff for a machinegun (or at least it did, and the NFA branch has not revised its opinion on that since the law change on 12/01/2011). |
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Posted: 10/23/2012 12:14:01 AM
Can anyone suggest a good trust lawyer in the Central NC area? Someone who is reasonable (I can't see paying someone 400.00 for a boilerplate gun trust) and hopefully knows guns, isn't just doing it to make extra cash between ambulance chasing.
I know my Sheriff refuses to sign ANY NFA so the trust is the only way for me to go. |
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