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Posted: 8/22/2011 10:46:35 PM
[Last Edit: 9/4/2011 9:55:15 PM by MadMardigan]
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So, what you need to know.
Trust will work for SBS, SBR, AOW, and Silencer.
MG will require a CLEO signature.
PLEASE DO NOT SAY "X" Sheriff or such and such county will sign in a post, simple ask, and have someone PM with you answer.
Now, what do you put in section 15 of http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-5320-4.pdf
Simple answer: "Per all lawful purposes of NCGS 14-288.8"
For Reference to what NFA is: http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_6/17_General_Class_3.html
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To build a Silencer, SBS, SBR, or AOW:
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Posted: 8/23/2011 2:05:31 AM
Originally Posted By MadMardigan:
Yeh it looks like HB650 basically changed nothing as far as NFA goes in NC. All the stuff listed you can put on a Trust now are all the same things you could put on a Trust before. And just as before you can't get a MG unless the Sheriff is going to sign for you. Because there is basically no difference between a "permit" and a signature. Because the Sheriffs who wouldn't give a "permit" before are not all of a sudden going to sign the Form 4. And the ones who gave permits before will be more than willing to just sign the Form 4 now. So hear again nothing changes. Just disappointed with this bill in general the more I read it. All it really did was make alot of administrative changes. Oh well this is what we get from our friends I can't tell much difference in them and our "enemies". Sorry for the rant.
Lots a discussion and what not about NFA in NC. Upcoming changes to the laws too. So, what you need to know. Trust will work for SBS, SBR, AOW, and Silencer. MG will require a CLEO signature. PLEASE DO NOT SAY "X" Sheriff or such and such county will sign in a post, simple ask, and have someone PM with you answer. Now, what do you put in section 15 of http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-5320-4.pdf Simple answer: "Per all lawful purposes of NCGS 14-288.8" For Reference to what NFA is: http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_6/17_General_Class_3.html 末末末末末末末末 So discuss. |
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Posted: 8/24/2011 9:46:55 AM
[Last Edit: 8/24/2011 10:16:57 AM by GMANinGA]
Just out of curiosity, if someone were to move from GA to NC (permanent residence change), would you have to re-register each NFA item and get it signed for in NC?
What about if said items were licensed to an LLC? Oh, and I'm guessing you'd probably need the 5320.20 to transport them in the first place during the move.... If it matters at all, I'm asking specifically about suppressors and SBRs, though if you know about MGs or AOWs, I'm interested in knowing how the law works there. 
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Posted: 8/25/2011 7:57:52 PM
Originally Posted By GMANinGA:
Just out of curiosity, if someone were to move from GA to NC (permanent residence change), would you have to re-register each NFA item and get it signed for in NC? What about if said items were licensed to an LLC? Oh, and I'm guessing you'd probably need the 5320.20 to transport them in the first place during the move.... If it matters at all, I'm asking specifically about suppressors and SBRs, though if you know about MGs or AOWs, I'm interested in knowing how the law works there.
-Mike ETA: Sam, yep! I was in the sinking building. hahaha I just looked it up and after they started building Harrelson, they realized it was on a fault line as it began to sink during construction. That actually may have been why we felt it better than a lot of other people... Maybe... I'm not 100% with the LLC, I know you will have to do the 5320.20, but they are not registered. MG I believe would require a signature. For counties that sign, just ask and have someone PM you. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 8/25/2011 9:16:49 PM
Originally Posted By GMANinGA:
Just out of curiosity, if someone were to move from GA to NC (permanent residence change), would you have to re-register each NFA item and get it signed for in NC? What about if said items were licensed to an LLC? Oh, and I'm guessing you'd probably need the 5320.20 to transport them in the first place during the move.... If it matters at all, I'm asking specifically about suppressors and SBRs, though if you know about MGs or AOWs, I'm interested in knowing how the law works there.
-Mike ETA: Sam, yep! I was in the sinking building. hahaha I just looked it up and after they started building Harrelson, they realized it was on a fault line as it began to sink during construction. That actually may have been why we felt it better than a lot of other people... Maybe... wrong thread dude, wrong thread, lol |
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Posted: 8/29/2011 9:25:36 AM
Originally Posted By TurboSam:
wrong thread dude, wrong thread, lol HAHA! Wow! that's what I get for having two reply tabs open at once! Dammit! 
Otherwise, thanks for the answer MadMardigan |
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Posted: 8/30/2011 11:12:06 PM
[Last Edit: 8/30/2011 11:12:20 PM by JameyF]
So is it better to wait for the new law to come in effect, or go ahead and setup a trust and start the ATF paperwork?
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Posted: 8/31/2011 12:27:38 AM
Originally Posted By JameyF: So is it better to wait for the new law to come in effect, or go ahead and setup a trust and start the ATF paperwork? Its running about 5 months for paper work right now... So, don't expect it to come back till next year.
I would go ahead and start now. |
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Posted: 8/31/2011 7:30:46 AM
Originally Posted By MadMardigan:
Originally Posted By JameyF:
So is it better to wait for the new law to come in effect, or go ahead and setup a trust and start the ATF paperwork? Its running about 5 months for paper work right now... So, don't expect it to come back till next year. I would go ahead and start now. When was your most recent stamp? I got one earlier this year, at my door 88 days after the check was processed |
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Posted: 8/31/2011 11:05:23 AM
Originally Posted By TurboSam: I'm still waiting. Sent March 11, had an error on 8/12, sent back on 8/19.
Originally Posted By MadMardigan: Originally Posted By JameyF: So is it better to wait for the new law to come in effect, or go ahead and setup a trust and start the ATF paperwork? Its running about 5 months for paper work right now... So, don't expect it to come back till next year.
I would go ahead and start now. When was your most recent stamp? I got one earlier this year, at my door 88 days after the check was processed It was 5 months and 1 day for the review to start. |
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Posted: 8/31/2011 12:48:22 PM
[Last Edit: 8/31/2011 12:48:44 PM by jerz_subbie]
Originally Posted By MadMardigan:
I'm still waiting. Sent March 11, had an error on 8/12, sent back on 8/19. It was 5 months and 1 day for the review to start. Wow. I sent one in Feb, got it back 91 days exactly. Who is your examiner? I had Snook but have Pickles for the F4 I just sent in, as per the new reassignment. My FFL told me his forms are running 4.5mo, I suspect the examiner reassignment has really slowed things down. |
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Posted: 8/31/2011 4:29:30 PM
Just curious what method did you use to set up a trust, lawyer, quicken, etc
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Posted: 8/31/2011 11:17:23 PM
Originally Posted By Highlande2: Just curious what method did you use to set up a trust, lawyer, quicken, etc Individual, I live in a county that is friendly. |
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Posted: 8/31/2011 11:19:13 PM
Originally Posted By jerz_subbie: Originally Posted By MadMardigan: I'm still waiting. Sent March 11, had an error on 8/12, sent back on 8/19. It was 5 months and 1 day for the review to start. Wow. I sent one in Feb, got it back 91 days exactly. Who is your examiner? I had Snook but have Pickles for the F4 I just sent in, as per the new reassignment. My FFL told me his forms are running 4.5mo, I suspect the examiner reassignment has really slowed things down. I called a couple months ago, they said 4 months, at the end of the 4 months, they said 5 months. NFA has went up in activity with new states allowing it, and people learning about SBS / SBR / Silencers. |
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Posted: 9/3/2011 10:43:35 AM
I just put in my paperwork on Thursday for a suppressor. I've been kicking the idea around for a while and finally decided to go for it. My first purchase is pretty simple, a Coastal Passport .22 LR suppressor. I expect I am going to purchase a Ruger 22/45 with a threaded barrel sometime before the paperwork comes back, and I also plan to use it on an AR with a .22 LR kit installed.
I went the trust route, though getting a CLEO signature in the county I live in wouldn't be a problem. I asked the chief if he would sign off (I live in his jurisdiction, so he is able to sign for anything but an MG), and he said no problem, but in the end the trust just seemed like less of a hassle, especially for future purchases. I sent the paperwork priority mail with delivery confirmation. It is supposed to be delivered today according to the USPS website. So, the wait begins. I have plans right now for five NFA items. No machineguns, just too much money for those these days. Hopefully I can stick to my five, because that is $1000 in taxes. I'm looking at: .22 LR Suppressor .308 Suppressor 9mm or .45 ACP Suppressor SBR 5.56mm AR SBR 9mm AR I know these things tend to breed, much like ARs, but I expect the above list to complete my list of "needs" at least for a while. It will likely take years to assemble as it is. |
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Posted: 9/4/2011 2:32:06 PM
[Last Edit: 9/4/2011 2:33:38 PM by MadMardigan]
Originally Posted By Landric: He is able to sign for MG, if he is able to sign for everything else, it's up the CLEO.
I just put in my paperwork on Thursday for a suppressor. I've been kicking the idea around for a while and finally decided to go for it. My first purchase is pretty simple, a Coastal Passport .22 LR suppressor. I expect I am going to purchase a Ruger 22/45 with a threaded barrel sometime before the paperwork comes back, and I also plan to use it on an AR with a .22 LR kit installed. I went the trust route, though getting a CLEO signature in the county I live in wouldn't be a problem. I asked the chief if he would sign off (I live in his jurisdiction, so he is able to sign for anything but an MG), and he said no problem, but in the end the trust just seemed like less of a hassle, especially for future purchases. I sent the paperwork priority mail with delivery confirmation. It is supposed to be delivered today according to the USPS website. So, the wait begins. I have plans right now for five NFA items. No machineguns, just too much money for those these days. Hopefully I can stick to my five, because that is $1000 in taxes. I'm looking at: .22 LR Suppressor .308 Suppressor 9mm or .45 ACP Suppressor SBR 5.56mm AR SBR 9mm AR I know these things tend to breed, much like ARs, but I expect the above list to complete my list of "needs" at least for a while. It will likely take years to assemble as it is. Depends on what you get, Mac 11 is going from 3 to 4k. Thats only 2 decked out ARs.
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Posted: 9/4/2011 4:21:27 PM
Originally Posted By MadMardigan:
Originally Posted By Landric:
He is able to sign for MG, if he is able to sign for everything else, it's up the CLEO.I just put in my paperwork on Thursday for a suppressor. I've been kicking the idea around for a while and finally decided to go for it. My first purchase is pretty simple, a Coastal Passport .22 LR suppressor. I expect I am going to purchase a Ruger 22/45 with a threaded barrel sometime before the paperwork comes back, and I also plan to use it on an AR with a .22 LR kit installed. I went the trust route, though getting a CLEO signature in the county I live in wouldn't be a problem. I asked the chief if he would sign off (I live in his jurisdiction, so he is able to sign for anything but an MG), and he said no problem, but in the end the trust just seemed like less of a hassle, especially for future purchases. I sent the paperwork priority mail with delivery confirmation. It is supposed to be delivered today according to the USPS website. So, the wait begins. I have plans right now for five NFA items. No machineguns, just too much money for those these days. Hopefully I can stick to my five, because that is $1000 in taxes. I'm looking at: .22 LR Suppressor .308 Suppressor 9mm or .45 ACP Suppressor SBR 5.56mm AR SBR 9mm AR I know these things tend to breed, much like ARs, but I expect the above list to complete my list of "needs" at least for a while. It will likely take years to assemble as it is. Depends on what you get, Mac 11 is going from 3 to 4k. Thats only 2 decked out ARs. or <1 decked out AR depending how hardcore you go, lol |
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Posted: 9/4/2011 4:21:58 PM
Originally Posted By MadMardigan:
Originally Posted By Highlande2:
Just curious what method did you use to set up a trust, lawyer, quicken, etc Individual, I live in a county that is friendly. that's part of why yours is taking so long. Trusts tend to get approved fast. |
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Posted: 9/4/2011 9:23:58 PM
Originally Posted By TurboSam:
Originally Posted By MadMardigan: Originally Posted By Highlande2: Just curious what method did you use to set up a trust, lawyer, quicken, etc Individual, I live in a county that is friendly. that's part of why yours is taking so long. Trusts tend to get approved fast. |
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Posted: 9/4/2011 9:42:43 PM
On form 1 question 4i (state why you intend to make firearm) what should I put there? I thought I read somewhere on here that for NC there was something specific you had to out there but can't find where I read it. Just curious as to what everyone else put there.
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Posted: 9/4/2011 9:53:46 PM
Originally Posted By Highlande2: On form 1 question 4i (state why you intend to make firearm) what should I put there? I thought I read somewhere on here that for NC there was something specific you had to out there but can't find where I read it. Just curious as to what everyone else put there. Not 100% but: Per all lawful purposes of NCGS 14-288.8
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Posted: 9/4/2011 11:12:24 PM
Originally Posted By Highlande2:
On form 1 question 4i (state why you intend to make firearm) what should I put there? I thought I read somewhere on here that for NC there was something specific you had to out there but can't find where I read it. Just curious as to what everyone else put there. One of mine. 
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Posted: 9/5/2011 10:56:12 AM
Originally Posted By MadMardigan:
Originally Posted By Landric:
He is able to sign for MG, if he is able to sign for everything else, it's up the CLEO.I just put in my paperwork on Thursday for a suppressor. I've been kicking the idea around for a while and finally decided to go for it. My first purchase is pretty simple, a Coastal Passport .22 LR suppressor. I expect I am going to purchase a Ruger 22/45 with a threaded barrel sometime before the paperwork comes back, and I also plan to use it on an AR with a .22 LR kit installed. I went the trust route, though getting a CLEO signature in the county I live in wouldn't be a problem. I asked the chief if he would sign off (I live in his jurisdiction, so he is able to sign for anything but an MG), and he said no problem, but in the end the trust just seemed like less of a hassle, especially for future purchases. I sent the paperwork priority mail with delivery confirmation. It is supposed to be delivered today according to the USPS website. So, the wait begins. I have plans right now for five NFA items. No machineguns, just too much money for those these days. Hopefully I can stick to my five, because that is $1000 in taxes. I'm looking at: .22 LR Suppressor .308 Suppressor 9mm or .45 ACP Suppressor SBR 5.56mm AR SBR 9mm AR I know these things tend to breed, much like ARs, but I expect the above list to complete my list of "needs" at least for a while. It will likely take years to assemble as it is. Depends on what you get, Mac 11 is going from 3 to 4k. Thats only 2 decked out ARs. My understanding is that machineguns require a "permit" from the Sheriff, at least right now (not really clear on whether that is changing December 1). So, I suppose the chief could sign off on the form 4, but I would still need the sheriff's signature on a permit. Is that not correct? |
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Posted: 9/5/2011 8:42:29 PM
Originally Posted By Landric:
Originally Posted By MadMardigan:
Originally Posted By Landric:
He is able to sign for MG, if he is able to sign for everything else, it's up the CLEO.I just put in my paperwork on Thursday for a suppressor. I've been kicking the idea around for a while and finally decided to go for it. My first purchase is pretty simple, a Coastal Passport .22 LR suppressor. I expect I am going to purchase a Ruger 22/45 with a threaded barrel sometime before the paperwork comes back, and I also plan to use it on an AR with a .22 LR kit installed. I went the trust route, though getting a CLEO signature in the county I live in wouldn't be a problem. I asked the chief if he would sign off (I live in his jurisdiction, so he is able to sign for anything but an MG), and he said no problem, but in the end the trust just seemed like less of a hassle, especially for future purchases. I sent the paperwork priority mail with delivery confirmation. It is supposed to be delivered today according to the USPS website. So, the wait begins. I have plans right now for five NFA items. No machineguns, just too much money for those these days. Hopefully I can stick to my five, because that is $1000 in taxes. I'm looking at: .22 LR Suppressor .308 Suppressor 9mm or .45 ACP Suppressor SBR 5.56mm AR SBR 9mm AR I know these things tend to breed, much like ARs, but I expect the above list to complete my list of "needs" at least for a while. It will likely take years to assemble as it is. Depends on what you get, Mac 11 is going from 3 to 4k. Thats only 2 decked out ARs. My understanding is that machineguns require a "permit" from the Sheriff, at least right now (not really clear on whether that is changing December 1). So, I suppose the chief could sign off on the form 4, but I would still need the sheriff's signature on a permit. Is that not correct? The permit goes away after Dec change in the law. All it is a piece of paper that says you can have a machine gun signed by the sherrif. But if a sherrif will sign a form 4, he will sign the permit too. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/4/2011 7:44:50 PM
Quick question for guys using a trust. When filling out a form 1 for the address should I put trust name, my name, and then address? or just trust name then address?
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Posted: 10/14/2011 10:43:51 PM
[Last Edit: 10/14/2011 10:47:04 PM by OPS-35]
Originally Posted By Highlande2:
Quick question for guys using a trust. When filling out a form 1 for the address should I put trust name, my name, and then address? or just trust name then address? Refer to turbosam's post here http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_34/461528_NFA_in_NC_.html&page=1#i4972710 Ha my bad disregard this post.......long day. |
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