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Posted: 2/28/2007 10:56:51 PM
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Defensive Concepts North Carolina will be conducting Defensive Shotgun training in Albemarle, NC, on 7 April 2007. The class will begin at 0830. This class is an (8) hour course. Three Instructors will be teaching the class.

Below is a brief course description:


Defensive Shotgun




The shotgun is the one of the most powerful and prolific weapons available to the average concerned-citizen. Able to deliver instant, fight stopping damage to an attacker at social distances; the shotgun can also be used out to 100 yards with ease. Students of the Defensive Shotgun course will be exposed to proper manipulation of the shotgun during hostile encounters, marksmanship fundamentals, patterning of the shotgun, the engagement of single and multiple attackers, and other life-saving fundamentals through the use of discussion, demonstration, and extensive live-fire application.


Course date: Saturday, 7 April 2007
Location: Albemarle, NC
Tuition: Rate available upon request
Class begins @ 0830 and will run for 8 hours (we will break for (1) hour for lunch)


This will be a very intensive course, so class size will be limited to (10) students.

To register for the course or to have questions about the course answered, please call me at (704)798-1560, email me, m4grunt@hotmail.com or PM me through this forum.

Seats for this class will fill quickly!!! We hope to see you at the class!!!

Steve Hawley
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Posted: 3/12/2007 11:30:49 PM
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We still have room for a few more for this scatter gun goodness.
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Posted: 3/15/2007 8:01:47 PM
Steve, Can't wait for the class!! If it's anything like the last one it'll be a blast!
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Posted: 3/21/2007 9:14:26 PM
Still room for one or two more people wanting to learn the effective way to run their shotguns. Come on out and learn how to get more bang for your buck.
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Posted: 3/21/2007 9:20:02 PM
Steve,
For those of us that unfortunately can't make this one, any chance on a second helping?


Thanks
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Posted: 3/21/2007 10:33:51 PM
Most definitely, but we don't have a second class slated yet (give us a couple weeks). I'll keep you in the loop!

Steve Hawley
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Posted: 3/21/2007 10:45:36 PM

Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR:
Still room for one or two more people wanting to learn the effective way to run their shotguns. Come on out and learn how to get more bang for your buck.


What sort of shotgun and rounds would be required/recommended? I have an 870 (18" barrel) w/4 rnd capacity and any kind of round(s) imagineable.

SM
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Posted: 3/21/2007 11:10:17 PM
I'll have to look into one off your classes when my funds are not to tight.
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Posted: 3/22/2007 9:39:30 AM
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Originally Posted By SandyMush:

Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR:
Still room for one or two more people wanting to learn the effective way to run their shotguns. Come on out and learn how to get more bang for your buck.


What sort of shotgun and rounds would be required/recommended? I have an 870 (18" barrel) w/4 rnd capacity and any kind of round(s) imagineable.

SM


YOur shotgun would be fine with the addition of a sling to it (slings are mandatory for the course). When I designed the course, I set it up around shotguns that have a 4 round magazine, so you shouldnt see any probems. Ghost ring sights, side saddles, forend lights, etc are all nice to have but arent required in this class. A side saddle would be nice though since it would permit you to carry spare ammo with the gun and limit the amount of time you are fumbling in your pockets for rounds to load.


The course requires to students to run buck (whatever kind you plan to use for self-protection), slugs, and birdshot (this is the majority of rounds for the class and is used since we will be shooting steel). The round count is approximately 35 - buck, 35 - slug, 325 - birdshot, and 50 rounds for your pistol.
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Posted: 3/22/2007 9:58:41 AM

Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR:

Originally Posted By SandyMush:

Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR:
Still room for one or two more people wanting to learn the effective way to run their shotguns. Come on out and learn how to get more bang for your buck.


What sort of shotgun and rounds would be required/recommended? I have an 870 (18" barrel) w/4 rnd capacity and any kind of round(s) imagineable.

SM


YOur shotgun would be fine with the addition of a sling to it (slings are mandatory for the course). When I designed the course, I set it up around shotguns that have a 4 round magazine, so you shouldnt see any probems. Ghost ring sights, side saddles, forend lights, etc are all nice to have but arent required in this class. A side saddle would be nice though since it would permit you to carry spare ammo with the gun and limit the amount of time you are fumbling in your pockets for rounds to load.


The course requires to students to run buck (whatever kind you plan to use for self-protection), slugs, and birdshot (this is the majority of rounds for the class and is used since we will be shooting steel). The round count is approximately 35 - buck, 35 - slug, 325 - birdshot, and 50 rounds for your pistol.


Man, with that kind of round count I wish I was going to be there. If anyone is wondering if they should sign-up, do it. You get alot of on the line instruction.and this group is fun.

If you guys/gals have a chance stop by and see me at the Gastonia PD Sniper Shoot. I might even be able to get you into the "sponsored" happy hour.
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Posted: 3/22/2007 8:13:19 PM
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This is going to be educational and fun. As Chris has said, this class is the best way to to get more bang for your buck.

We have a few slots left. PM me or email me, m4grunt@hotmail.com to enroll.

Thanks!!!
Steve Hawley
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Posted: 3/23/2007 1:48:22 PM
I can't wait. Just from talking to m4_grunt (Steve) at Uwharrie got me wishing it was the 7th all ready!
SteyrAug: "I have never been so bummed out watching two people fuck in my life. I've seen happier car accidents"

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Posted: 3/30/2007 10:55:47 PM
Last call!

Let me know if you want "in".
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Posted: 3/31/2007 9:52:26 PM
Guys
This is going to be a kick a$& class.
You won't be disappointed, just ask students we've already taught.
I'm looking forward to doing this one.



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Posted: 3/31/2007 10:09:48 PM
I am waiting for a course on how to use my AR. If you have a list of needed stuff, please let me know so I can start collecting now!
Coming at you like a herd of turtles.
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Posted: 4/1/2007 4:42:20 PM
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M4_Grunt...Sent you an IM with some questions.


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Posted: 4/3/2007 5:45:58 PM
Ah I'm getting anxious!! Got all the parts in and she's ready to go now!

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Posted: 4/3/2007 5:54:17 PM
Anyone else?

FYI - - - we are working the Carbine. Stand-by..........
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Posted: 4/6/2007 4:18:23 PM
I wanted to attend this class, but am unable.

Please consider doing another.

Thank you,

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Posted: 4/6/2007 5:19:02 PM
Will do, nct.

To all interested, we will hopefully know something about Defensive Carbine by Sunday.

Thank you for your patience and interest.

To all those attending Defensive Shotgun tomorrow, I bid you welcome and look forward to seeing old friends and meeting new ones.
Steve Hawley
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Posted: 4/8/2007 1:34:26 PM
&^$@, that was a great #$*%ing class! You @$#(s who missed it are !@(&ing cheating yourselves out of #$&@ing knowing how to @#&%ing run your $@#*ing shotgun!

(Sorry, they made a bit of an impression.)

Anyway, here are my unorganized thoughts on the class:

- You pay for 8 hours of training, but we got 12 full hours of learnin', and not a lot of breaks or jibber-jabber either. Some folks might have spousal issues with that, and my butt was definitely dragging by the end. This is not a criticism, just don't plan to do anything else that day!

- While it is a "beginner's" class, in that you don't really need any prior shotgun experience to benefit from it, it is an "adult's" class, and I don't mean just the language. Cramming what might be a 5 day class elsewhere into one day means that the instructors aren't there to hold your hand and baby-step you all day. You need to be able to step up and fix yourself using their guidance. This is also not a criticism! It's just the nature of this course.

- You will also not be fully up to speed by the end of the class. Again, this is a limitation of the format. But you will have all the tools to do so!

- NCDC are not doctrinaire guru worshipers. They teach what works, and why it works. In particular, I was skeptical about the utility of the Sul position and Satterwhite high-ready position at first, but now I get it.

- We were also treated to NCPatrolAR's insights on zombies, midgets, crackheads, cats, crackhead cats, MILF porn, film reviews, and alternate uses of IV fluid bags. No extra charge!

Gear notes: Shotguns represented were 3 870s, 1 1100, 1 Franchi LAW-12, and a Benelli M1. I'll tell you what, the dude running the Franchi got a lot of practice on his transitions and malfunction clearing. I don't think it ran more than 2 shells without jamming up in one way or another. It also vomited what looked like part of a recoil buffer and a washer out the ejection port early in the class! But he stuck with it and got a gold star for manning up. I would make a joke about not trusting your life to weapons designed in countries that can't win their own wars, but the Benelli ran like a damn tank all day.

3 point and single point slings were most popular, and those guys had an easier time on transitions than us dinosaurs running traditional slings. I'm still a little skeptical of them, both 1 and 3 point slings look like a great way to trip yourself up or nail yourself in the beanbag, but neither happened that I saw.

Other lessons learned: Check your damn stuff before 'game time'. We got to see an 870 detach itself from a single point sling and nosedive into the turf, and a guy transition from his 1100 to an empty USP-45.

I was interested to see nobody running a vest or other fancy ways of carrying shotshells. Most everybody just shoved what they needed into their pockets.

You can adapt pretty much any sling to any gun with some zip ties and duct tape.

Anyway, I was highly satisfied with the material and drills presented and would highly recommend that anybody who keeps a shotgun in the home take the class. $125 is a bargain, compared to how much we waste on gun gadgets and doo-dads that don't improve the shooter.
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Posted: 4/8/2007 7:20:09 PM
I'll be at the next one, come high water or otherwise.
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Posted: 4/8/2007 7:54:22 PM
pdb thanks for the good review.
You guys did a great job of keeping at it in the cold.
Who would have thought it wouldn't get over about 40 degrees all day. You guys did a great job.

As for the equipment issues we'd rather find out your stuff don't work while your training instead of during a life threatening situation.

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Posted: 4/8/2007 9:11:46 PM
Excellent review. I am looking forward to a class with these guys.
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Posted: 4/8/2007 9:46:55 PM
When is the next class scheduled for?
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