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Posted: 10/19/2016 8:45:52 PM EDT
I remember a while back seeing somebody on here worked for mdc, I have a few questions if possible. If you can could you please send me a pm? Or if you know who I am referring to RAT THEM OUT
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:35:41 PM EDT
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Rat them out here, so we can ask them why they do things the way they do!!!
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Posted: 10/20/2016 11:25:37 PM EDT
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I think the member you remember is a construction contractor working for the department.
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Posted: 10/21/2016 7:51:34 AM EDT
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It's me. I sent him an IM, but no reply. Must not have been too important.
As far as asking me why MDC does what it does, I DON'T KNOW. I am an ENGINEER not a BIOLOGIST. I design and oversee construction projects that are requested by Wildlife, Fisheries, Outreach and Education, and IT. I have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do or say in how the Department makes decisions. They want a fish hatchery, I design, bid out construction, and oversee the construction of a fish hatchery. They want a boat ramp, same thing. They want a wetland, same thing. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 8:06:32 AM EDT
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It's me. I sent him an IM, but no reply. Must not have been too important.
As far as asking me why MDC does what it does, I DON'T KNOW. I am an ENGINEER not a BIOLOGIST. I design and oversee construction projects that are requested by Wildlife, Fisheries, Outreach and Education, and IT. I have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do or say in how the Department makes decisions. They want a fish hatchery, I design, bid out construction, and oversee the construction of a fish hatchery. They want a boat ramp, same thing. They want a wetland, same thing. That sounds like a cool job |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 8:37:39 AM EDT
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It's me. I sent him an IM, but no reply. Must not have been too important.
As far as asking me why MDC does what it does, I DON'T KNOW. I am an ENGINEER not a BIOLOGIST. I design and oversee construction projects that are requested by Wildlife, Fisheries, Outreach and Education, and IT. I have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do or say in how the Department makes decisions. They want a fish hatchery, I design, bid out construction, and oversee the construction of a fish hatchery. They want a boat ramp, same thing. They want a wetland, same thing. That sounds like a cool job It can be, but EVERYBODY is an expert. Several years back I rebuilt the Henges Shooting Range in St Louis and there was actually a member here that was pissed about the waste of money. And he could have done it cheaper. 
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Posted: 10/21/2016 12:34:54 PM EDT
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I love (NOT) how Consevation ruled that Pigeon Hill in St. Joseph isn't safe for machine guns BUT is safe for Bump Fire.
It's pretty damn apparent that whoever made the decision had never fired a machine gun and Bump Fired a weapon. 
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Posted: 10/21/2016 1:07:56 PM EDT
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I love (NOT) how Consevation ruled that Pigeon Hill in St. Joseph isn't safe for machine guns BUT is safe for Bump Fire. It's pretty damn apparent that whoever made the decision had never fired a machine gun and Bump Fired a weapon. Hey! I'm the one that made that decision and if you don't like it-tough!
j/k, I know some of the people in O&E (they run the ranges) and they are not gun people. The guy that is in charge of shooting ranges is a gun guy (to a point). The guy that used to be in charge of ranges (now retired) is a casual friend of mine and I always used to give him grief about the prohibition of using 50 bmg at all of the MDC ranges. Like I said earlier, I don't agree with all of the Department's decisions, but they have never called and asked me my opinion when making said decisions. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 5:25:19 PM EDT
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Well, there was a time when shooting .50's at Finger Lake was okay. And then it wasn't, along with a new requirement for permits to gather a group.
Tannerite, too. A .50 BMG and tannerite on one occasion. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 9:08:27 PM EDT
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It's me. I sent him an IM, but no reply. Must not have been too important.
As far as asking me why MDC does what it does, I DON'T KNOW. I am an ENGINEER not a BIOLOGIST. I design and oversee construction projects that are requested by Wildlife, Fisheries, Outreach and Education, and IT. I have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do or say in how the Department makes decisions. They want a fish hatchery, I design, bid out construction, and oversee the construction of a fish hatchery. They want a boat ramp, same thing. They want a wetland, same thing. Well, shit.  .......
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Posted: 10/22/2016 9:00:29 AM EDT
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My $0.02: If you don't like how MDC ranges operate, build your own. $3/hr for the manned ranges and free for unmanned ranges, both (usually) including free targets, is one hell of a deal. But, the age old saying of "you get what you pay for" applies. You have to play by their rules or not play there. *That* is basically the cost of cheap or free range time.
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Posted: 10/22/2016 9:20:30 AM EDT
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It can wind up being not so "cheap"!
My oldest son, my nephew, and a friend of theirs were shooting at Pigeon Hill, they were shooting at an empty cardboard box. A Conservation agent showed up and issued each one of them a $130.00 summons.
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Posted: 10/22/2016 11:09:42 AM EDT
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The MDC is a bunch of ticket writing crooks old prick at REIFSNIDER. is the worst . Stacking 100k plus of guns like fire wood like he is hot shit .
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Posted: 10/22/2016 1:56:28 PM EDT
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The MDC is a bunch of ticket writing crooks old prick at REIFSNIDER. is the worst . Stacking 100k plus of guns like fire wood like he is hot shit . Are you saying the agent stacked your guns? Because it is an unmanned range. And PursuitSS as far as getting ticketed for shooting at a box on the ground, they (MDC) are pretty militant about ONLY shooting at the provided target stands from the firing line ONLY because they want to minimize bullets hitting the ground, ricocheting and leaving the range area and then possibly damaging property or injuring someone. It does specifically state that in the range rules which are posted (unless someone shot them up ) at the entrance to every MDC range I have been to. I know it is draconian, I myself like to shoot at stuff other than the target stand and thats why I am a member of a private range and I also have a farmer friend with a range that I shoot at.
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Posted: 10/22/2016 4:47:58 PM EDT
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For his safety or the fact he is just giant cocksucker .Idiot thought they were all illegal marking down serial numbers and everything else. I was there with members of local swat team who were in disbelief. Guy was giant prick . Never been back since . Everyone has story about him guy is legend out there .
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Posted: 10/22/2016 4:58:02 PM EDT
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My $0.02: If you don't like how MDC ranges operate, build your own. $3/hr for the manned ranges and free for unmanned ranges, both (usually) including free targets, is one hell of a deal. But, the age old saying of "you get what you pay for" applies. You have to play by their rules or not play there. *That* is basically the cost of cheap or free range time. I have plenty of friends who let me shoot anytime I want too on their land. I will, however go to Parma to zero a rifle, or take a newbie I don't trust whatsoever to teach them to shoot. Yes, the Nazi's there suck, and I hate going there, but It's a great thing we have. Like you said, you get what you pay for. Is it too much for them to be at least somewhat polite though? As for Pigeon Hill, fuck that place. I have seen too many toothless, overall wearing cousin fuckers do some stupid shit up there to even think about going to that place. It seriously surprises me there aren't a lot more reported incidents up there. |
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Posted: 10/22/2016 5:49:55 PM EDT
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As for Pigeon Hill, fuck that place. I have seen too many toothless, overall wearing cousin fuckers do some stupid shit up there to even think about going to that place. It seriously surprises me there aren't a lot more reported incidents up there. Yeah, a LOT of Fuds! I've been muzzle swept more times than I can remember there. But, when we have had a MOHTF ARFCOM shoot there the Fuds tend to pack up and get the hell out of Dodge.
Nothing like 15 guys with "Black Rifles" to make the Fuds nervous. |
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Posted: 10/22/2016 6:30:59 PM EDT
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The unmanned conservation ranges are dangerous as hell. I've had guys screwing with rifles while people are down changing targets.
Craziest thing I saw was at finger lakes shooting the shortest distance area... guy with girlfriends walks out and goes down range while I'm actively shooting in the lane directly next to me. WTf dude. |
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Posted: 10/22/2016 7:13:10 PM EDT
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The unmanned conservation ranges are dangerous as hell. I've had guys screwing with rifles while people are down changing targets. Craziest thing I saw was at finger lakes shooting the shortest distance area... guy with girlfriends walks out and goes down range while I'm actively shooting in the lane directly next to me. WTf dude. Same thing happened last time I was at Pigeon Hill, a guy and his kid started downrange as we were still firing. I've made some pretty nasty THREATS "Comments" to the fucking idiot Fuds muzzle sweeping me. 
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Posted: 10/22/2016 7:19:26 PM EDT
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Same thing happened last time I was at Pigeon Hill, a guy and his kid started downrange as we were still firing. I've made some pretty nasty THREATS "Comments" to the fucking idiot Fuds muzzle sweeping me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The unmanned conservation ranges are dangerous as hell. I've had guys screwing with rifles while people are down changing targets. Craziest thing I saw was at finger lakes shooting the shortest distance area... guy with girlfriends walks out and goes down range while I'm actively shooting in the lane directly next to me. WTf dude. Same thing happened last time I was at Pigeon Hill, a guy and his kid started downrange as we were still firing. I've made some pretty nasty THREATS "Comments" to the fucking idiot Fuds muzzle sweeping me. Is the privy at Pigeon hill still filled with bullet holes? I can only imagine being in there when some idiots, not paying attention, started shooting it up with their SKS' |
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Posted: 10/22/2016 7:28:19 PM EDT
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I have no idea, NEVER use it.
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Posted: 10/23/2016 12:47:44 PM EDT
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I have no idea, NEVER use it. Yep, the only time I have used one of our privies is after it was just installed by the contractor. Otherwise I go outside when I am at an area.
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Posted: 10/23/2016 9:57:13 PM EDT
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As for Pigeon Hill, fuck that place. I have seen too many toothless, overall wearing cousin fuckers do some stupid shit up there to even think about going to that place. It seriously surprises me there aren't a lot more reported incidents up there. Quote HistoryQuoted:
As for Pigeon Hill, fuck that place. I have seen too many toothless, overall wearing cousin fuckers do some stupid shit up there to even think about going to that place. It seriously surprises me there aren't a lot more reported incidents up there. Quoted:
I've been muzzle swept more times than I can remember there. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/25/2016 8:09:55 AM EDT
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It can be, but EVERYBODY is an expert. Several years back I rebuilt the Henges Shooting Range in St Louis and there was actually a member here that was pissed about the waste of money. And he could have done it cheaper.
I went to Henges/Forest 44 yesterday to do some scouting for an upcoming smokepole hunt. We didn't actually check out the range since there was a managed hunt going on, but we walked out a bunch of the trails on the east side of the area. That place is rougher than a cobb! |
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Posted: 10/25/2016 8:19:30 AM EDT
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It can wind up being not so "cheap"! My oldest son, my nephew, and a friend of theirs were shooting at Pigeon Hill, they were shooting at an empty cardboard box. A Conservation agent showed up and issued each one of them a $130.00 summons. For what? Was the box on the ground? |
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Posted: 10/25/2016 11:12:24 AM EDT
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Yep, laying against the "orange plastic fencing" they use for holding targets.
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Posted: 10/25/2016 11:30:06 AM EDT
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I went to Henges/Forest 44 yesterday to do some scouting for an upcoming smokepole hunt. We didn't actually check out the range since there was a managed hunt going on, but we walked out a bunch of the trails on the east side of the area. That place is rougher than a cobb! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It can be, but EVERYBODY is an expert. Several years back I rebuilt the Henges Shooting Range in St Louis and there was actually a member here that was pissed about the waste of money. And he could have done it cheaper.
I went to Henges/Forest 44 yesterday to do some scouting for an upcoming smokepole hunt. We didn't actually check out the range since there was a managed hunt going on, but we walked out a bunch of the trails on the east side of the area. That place is rougher than a cobb! What place? The trails? |
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Posted: 10/25/2016 3:03:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What place? The trails? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It can be, but EVERYBODY is an expert. Several years back I rebuilt the Henges Shooting Range in St Louis and there was actually a member here that was pissed about the waste of money. And he could have done it cheaper. I went to Henges/Forest 44 yesterday to do some scouting for an upcoming smokepole hunt. We didn't actually check out the range since there was a managed hunt going on, but we walked out a bunch of the trails on the east side of the area. That place is rougher than a cobb! What place? The trails? Yeah, I'm confused too. I had my son out there two weeks ago. Clean, slow and safe. Just the way I like it for an 11 year old boy with a bolt action .22. I know most guys don't like Henges because it's slow and regulated, but for young kids and new shooters I find it perfect. JMHO Were they hunting Beaumont or Forest 44? I know most of the guys who are able to hunt Beaumont, but they are waiting for the last of the camp outs. I know that if you stay too far into Beaumont, you will probably run into an LEO or two. |
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Posted: 10/26/2016 7:47:04 AM EDT
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Yeah, I'm confused too. I had my son out there two weeks ago. Clean, slow and safe. Just the way I like it for an 11 year old boy with a bolt action .22. I know most guys don't like Henges because it's slow and regulated, but for young kids and new shooters I find it perfect. JMHO Were they hunting Beaumont or Forest 44? I know most of the guys who are able to hunt Beaumont, but they are waiting for the last of the camp outs. I know that if you stay too far into Beaumont, you will probably run into an LEO or two. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It can be, but EVERYBODY is an expert. Several years back I rebuilt the Henges Shooting Range in St Louis and there was actually a member here that was pissed about the waste of money. And he could have done it cheaper.
I went to Henges/Forest 44 yesterday to do some scouting for an upcoming smokepole hunt. We didn't actually check out the range since there was a managed hunt going on, but we walked out a bunch of the trails on the east side of the area. That place is rougher than a cobb! What place? The trails? Were they hunting Beaumont or Forest 44? I know most of the guys who are able to hunt Beaumont, but they are waiting for the last of the camp outs. I know that if you stay too far into Beaumont, you will probably run into an LEO or two. I know the ranges are slow and full of rules, but there is a reason for that. I have personally witnessed, in one day at Henges, someone holding their rifle at port arms facing away from the range and discharging it, someone pulling a rifle out of the box that they just got from walmart and the scope was so far off they hit one of the overhead baffles, numerous muzzle sweeps of people, and someone trying to put 45 long colt into a glock 21 because 'they are both 45s' Unfortunately the rules are there for all of us because of the 1% of the dumbasses that go out there. |
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Posted: 10/26/2016 8:15:04 AM EDT
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It can be, but EVERYBODY is an expert. Several years back I rebuilt the Henges Shooting Range in St Louis and there was actually a member here that was pissed about the waste of money. And he could have done it cheaper.
I went to Henges/Forest 44 yesterday to do some scouting for an upcoming smokepole hunt. We didn't actually check out the range since there was a managed hunt going on, but we walked out a bunch of the trails on the east side of the area. That place is rougher than a cobb! What place? The trails? The way I understand it, Henges Range sits on the western side of the 950 acre Forest 44 property. We entered in on the east side near the equine center and hiked the horse trails. |
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Posted: 10/26/2016 2:03:17 PM EDT
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The way I understand it, Henges Range sits on the western side of the 950 acre Forest 44 property. We entered in on the east side near the equine center and hiked the horse trails. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It can be, but EVERYBODY is an expert. Several years back I rebuilt the Henges Shooting Range in St Louis and there was actually a member here that was pissed about the waste of money. And he could have done it cheaper.
I went to Henges/Forest 44 yesterday to do some scouting for an upcoming smokepole hunt. We didn't actually check out the range since there was a managed hunt going on, but we walked out a bunch of the trails on the east side of the area. That place is rougher than a cobb! What place? The trails? The way I understand it, Henges Range sits on the western side of the 950 acre Forest 44 property. We entered in on the east side near the equine center and hiked the horse trails. Yep the range is on the western side of the area. |
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Posted: 10/28/2016 7:43:08 PM EDT
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"guy with girlfriends walks out and goes down range while I'm actively shooting in the lane directly next to me."
Yeah, the same has happened to me at Little Indian Creek. So has the issue of people screwing around with their guns while I'm downrange. Often, I'm lucky enough to be the only person there, though. |
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Posted: 10/28/2016 9:53:47 PM EDT
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Had a kidney stone, was sidelined for quite a bit. Will be replying to your pm shortly, thanks.
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Posted: 10/31/2016 6:38:52 PM EDT
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Yeah, a LOT of Fuds! I've been muzzle swept more times than I can remember there. But, when we have had a MOHTF ARFCOM shoot there the Fuds tend to pack up and get the hell out of Dodge.
Nothing like 15 guys with "Black Rifles" to make the Fuds nervous. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As for Pigeon Hill, fuck that place. I have seen too many toothless, overall wearing cousin fuckers do some stupid shit up there to even think about going to that place. It seriously surprises me there aren't a lot more reported incidents up there. Yeah, a LOT of Fuds! I've been muzzle swept more times than I can remember there. But, when we have had a MOHTF ARFCOM shoot there the Fuds tend to pack up and get the hell out of Dodge.
Nothing like 15 guys with "Black Rifles" to make the Fuds nervous. Lol, thats no shit. |
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Posted: 11/2/2016 8:07:46 PM EDT
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I worked for the MoDC decades ago.
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Posted: 11/3/2016 12:29:17 PM EDT
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When I go to Finger Lakes area is that Rocky Fork? I will shoot as long as no one else is on the side I am on. If someone shows up, I access their shooting habits and leave if necessary. Which so-far has only happened once. My favorite was the bunch that showed up with an assortment of items to place on the ground... I left before they fired one round.
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Posted: 11/4/2016 12:39:06 AM EDT
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In an argument right now with a guy from Quail Forever on the MDC's Facebook page. They posted an article about Quail, and I called out them about how they planted Elk to bring back the population, but refuse to do so with Quail, because they say it just wouldn't work. From what I've been told there's a 20% survival rate when they do that. 20% is better than none in my opinion.
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Posted: 11/4/2016 7:52:42 AM EDT
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When I go to Finger Lakes area is that Rocky Fork? I will shoot as long as no one else is on the side I am on. If someone shows up, I access their shooting habits and leave if necessary. Which so-far has only happened once. My favorite was the bunch that showed up with an assortment of items to place on the ground... I left before they fired one round. Steve Yep, the state park on the north side is finger lakes, the conservation area on the south is rocky fork. They essentially form one large area, but I don't know if you can hunt on the state park half. |
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Posted: 11/4/2016 1:26:27 PM EDT
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Yep, the state park on the north side is finger lakes, the conservation area on the south is rocky fork. They essentially form one large area, but I don't know if you can hunt on the state park half. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When I go to Finger Lakes area is that Rocky Fork? I will shoot as long as no one else is on the side I am on. If someone shows up, I access their shooting habits and leave if necessary. Which so-far has only happened once. My favorite was the bunch that showed up with an assortment of items to place on the ground... I left before they fired one round. Steve Yep, the state park on the north side is finger lakes, the conservation area on the south is rocky fork. They essentially form one large area, but I don't know if you can hunt on the state park half. Only during 4 wheeler season, not wabbit or duck season. Steve |
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