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Posted: 4/22/2016 12:27:37 AM EDT
Starting to pay attention to the process of Missouri legislation and decided it'd be nice to have a thread dedicated to actions bills need this session.
Not really a comment area. Two goals on these "alerts"
Read carefully. There are some bills that get the green and some that may need some stopping. |
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1468 passed the House 109 to 36 (Veto Proof) = Allows any person to carry a concealed firearm anywhere that isn't expressly prohibited by law. https://www.missourifirearmscoalition.org/news http://www.house.mo.gov/billsummary.aspx?bill=HB1468&year=2016&code=R Action Needed: Time to call, write or email your Senators and prime the pump there in support for this bill. |
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The constitutional carry bill has moved onto the Senate. Please correct me if I'm wrong I'm more familiar with TX legislation. Time to write Senators and watch out for committee hearings to attend. Two other good bills seem to have done the same. HB 1468 and HB 2057
HB1468 Burlison (133)FIREARMS (4577H.01P) Allows any person to carry a concealed firearm anywhere that isn't expressly prohibited by law Last Action: 4/26/2016 - Reported to the Senate and First Read (S) HB 2057 Specifies that except for credit card fees incurred no additional fee beyond $100 may be charged to process concealed carry permits and allows military members extra time to renew their permits. Seems HB 2057 is being used to expand "Castle Doctrine" to include non residence such as babysitters and guests.
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The constitutional carry bill has moved onto the Senate Transportation, Infrastructure, and Public Safety(S) committee.
Here are the members to call\write\email: http://www.senate.mo.gov/tran/ Here are the other bills in the Senate Transportation, Infrastructure, and Public Safety(S) committee. SB 589 - Dixon - Removes the current ban on carrying concealed firearms in higher education institutions SB 691 - Nasheed - Requires the reporting of lost or stolen firearms SB 731 - Munzlinger - Removes the current ban on carrying concealed firearms in higher education institutions, but allows institutions to ban concealed firearms under certain conditions SB 739 - Chappelle-Nadal - Creates the crimes of failing to stop illegal firearm possession, negligent storage of a firearm, and failure to notify a school of firearm ownership SB 740 - Chappelle-Nadal - Creates the crimes of failing to stop illegal weapon possession, negligent storage of a weapon, and failure to notify a school of weapon ownership SB 1026 - Schatz - Creates a lifetime permit to carry concealed firearms SB 1037 - Schaefer - Modifies exemptions to duty to retreat when using force against another person SB 1122 - Schupp - Creates the offense of unlawful transfer of weapons for a licensed firearms dealer to deliver a handgun to a purchaser without waiting at least 24 hours HB 1468 - Burlison - Allows any person to carry a concealed firearm anywhere that isn't expressly prohibited by law HB 2057-Bernskoetter - Specifies that except for credit card fees incurred no additional fee beyond $100 may be charged to process concealed carry permits and allows military members extra time to renew their permits |
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Thanks for all your hard work. We are definitely heading in the right direction!
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A Senate hearing is happening Wednesday on HB 2057. Looks like a good bill that could use some support if you can make it there to testify.
Committee: Transportation, Infrastructure and Public Safety, Senator Doug Libla, Chairman Date: Wednesday, May 4 Time: 8:15 AM Room: SCR 1 HCS HB 2057 - Bernskoetter Contains provisions relating to self defense, unlawful use of weapons, and concealed carry permits |
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I'm used to Texas where they broadcast Senate committee hearings over the Internet.
I can't even find meeting notes for Missouri. Anyone know if there are such resources? |
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I don't see a place for meeting notes or even witness lists at the hearing.
Wonder what happened. Doesn't seem like they took a vote today. |
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HB 1468 (constitutional carry) Had a public hearing today 5\4\2016 in the Senate committee. Sneaky they waited till last min to stick it in there. Looks like it could be voted out of committee Thursday the 5th. Strange it wasn't on the calendar for today but that's politics. Senate Bill 656 has been placed on the House Calendar for third reading on the 5th. SB 656 - Under current law, an applicant for a concealed carry permit may be charged a fee that does not exceed $100. This act specifies that this fee shall include the costs for fingerprinting or criminal background checks. The act also allows for an additional fee to be charged for each credit card, debit card, or other electronic transaction equal to the charge paid by the state or applicant for the use of the credit card, debit card, or other electronic payment method by the applicant. SB 663 that was amended with stand your ground language was also advanced on the 4th of May. Hot off the press from the Senate the 2nd it got a hearing in the House Committee Civil and Criminal Proceedings. I'm still getting used to the website\how things move here in Missouri .. Will be moving half way there this weekend then be a resident in June. Next session I look forward to keeping you all aware, educated and advised on how this stuff works as well as actively getting pro 2nd Amendment law pushed though. |
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Quoted: HB 1468 (constitutional carry) Had a public hearing today 5\4\2016 in the Senate committee. Sneaky they waited till last min to stick it in there. Looks like it could be voted out of committee Thursday the 5th. Strange it wasn't on the calendar for today but that's politics. Senate Bill 656 has been placed on the House Calendar for third reading on the 5th. SB 656 - Under current law, an applicant for a concealed carry permit may be charged a fee that does not exceed $100. This act specifies that this fee shall include the costs for fingerprinting or criminal background checks. The act also allows for an additional fee to be charged for each credit card, debit card, or other electronic transaction equal to the charge paid by the state or applicant for the use of the credit card, debit card, or other electronic payment method by the applicant. SB 663 that was amended with stand your ground language was also advanced on the 4th of May. Hot off the press from the Senate the 2nd it got a hearing in the House Committee Civil and Criminal Proceedings. I'm still getting used to the website\how things move here in Missouri .. Will be moving half way there this weekend then be a resident in June. Next session I look forward to keeping you all aware, educated and advised on how this stuff works as well as actively getting pro 2nd Amendment law pushed though. View Quote Thanks for this MateFrio! Now if EricBig40cal could stick this at the top......... |
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Just got an email from the NRA. The way I read it SB656 passed today.
Today, the Missouri House of Representatives passed Senate Bill 656 and adopted multiple pro-gun amendments with an overwhelming majority. It is more important than ever that you contact your legislators in support of Senate Bill 656. Time is running out with one week left in session. NRA members and gun owners must act now to expand Missouri gun rights! Sponsored by state Senator Brian Munzlinger (R-18), SB 656 would: Recognize Missourians right to Constitutional/ Permitless Carry where open carry is not prohibited Allow full-time employees of public higher-ed institutions to concealed carry a firearm on campus with a valid handgun carry permit Expand Missouri’s current Stand your Ground laws (Similar to SB 663) Expand Castle Doctrine protections for anyone legally allowed into your home, vehicle, business and property Specify that except for credit card fees incurred, no additional fee beyond $100 may be charged to process concealed carry permits and allows military members extra time to renew their permits Implement 10, 20 and 50 year options for non-reciprocity issued permits Allow components of firearm training for RTC permits to be online Allow the legal carry of a firearm for self-defense on public transportation Establishes punitive measures and civil liability for persons responsible for the knowing and illegal dissemination of permit holder information Again, please click the “Take Action” button above to contact your state Representative and state Senator and politely urge them to SUPPORT Senate Bill 656 when it comes up for a vote. Did I read this right? |
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Quoted: Just got an email from the NRA. The way I read it SB656 passed today. Did I read this right? View Quote It's a Senate Bill is the fist thing to note. It got out of the Senate and sent to the house. Today it was on the House floor for third reading - where they can pass the bill or tank it They can also add amendments\tinker with the bill. That's what the House did. They tagged their own stuff to it. After tagging their own stuff to it (Amendments) they voted and passed the bill. S Bills with H Amendments--SB 656-Munzlinger, with HCS, as amended Now it needs to go back to the Senate and the Senate votes to accept or reject the House amendments. If it had passed without amendments it'd have gone to the Governor for approval. I didn't hear the debate. I'd bet it was quite lively on the House floor when this issue comes up. |
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5/9/2016 Requests to Recede or Grant Conference Calendar--SB 656-Munzlinger, with HCS, as amended (Senate requests House recede or grant conference)
I was told they are going to conference and are selecting the members. There is a lot that isn't needed with what the house put in....Hope Munzlinger can clean it up a little. |
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Quoted: 5/9/2016 Requests to Recede or Grant Conference Calendar--SB 656-Munzlinger, with HCS, as amended (Senate requests House recede or grant conference) I was told they are going to conference and are selecting the members. There is a lot that isn't needed with what the house put in....Hope Munzlinger can clean it up a little. View Quote To get any pro firearms legislation this session this is THE bill to pass it seems. Risky move. |
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5/9/2016 H conferees appointed: R - Burlison, R - Ross, R - Taylor(139), D - Morgan, D - Newman
5/9/2016 S conferees appointed: R - Munzlinger, R - Onder, R - Riddle, D - Schupp, D - Nasheed Hope we see something completed in the AM. |
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Ok...called again and they said tomorrow.....Friday is the last day.
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Ok...called again and they said tomorrow.....Friday is the last day. Any word? http://chamber.senate.mo.gov/SenateChamber Still looking but listen to this...dam Some lady is going off... I'm not seeing any movement...SOB...they best get this dam thing out and approved. |
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I'm not seeing any movement...SOB...they best get this dam thing out and approved. View Quote Newman is probably doing every thing she can to avoid it going out for a vote... Just need to look at the bills she put forward to have an idea who's probably paying her This has bill updates, but no movement as of yesterday... http://themissouritimes.com/29179/hourly-updates-the-senate-may-2016/ There is also a thread on missouricarry.com Looks like it has moved up the calendar from 12th to 8th since yesterday... http://www.senate.mo.gov/16info/BTS_Web/Bill.aspx?SessionType=R&BillID=22246426 Not sure what the fiscal revue is... http://www.house.mo.gov/billsummary.aspx?bill=SB656 |
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View Quote Whatever it is, it's going down at 0900 today per the House's website. Committee Allen, Sue, Chair Fitzpatrick, Scott, Vice Chair Morgan, Judy, Ranking Minority Member Alferman, Justin Anderson, Sonya Conway, Kathie Lavender, Deb Rhoads, Shawn Walton Gray, Rochelle Zerr, Anne Hearings Date: Friday, May 13, 2016 Time: 9:00 AM Location: South Gallery Executive Session On Any Bill Referred To The Committee Executive session may be held on any matter referred to the committee. |
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Looks good by the way it's worded, but I don't really know.........
5/13/2016 Executive Session Completed (H) 5/13/2016 Voted Do Pass (H) 5/13/2016 Reported Do Pass (H) |
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Sounds like its being debated at the moment in the senate chamber link above
Edit: only have audio here, but I want to meet the guy that is arguing the pro... |
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Passed senate... Back to house for final vote apparently...
The "ladies" with the misleading info you mean? Who got called out by another senator? Im guessing they were probably democrats... |
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http://mohouse.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?publish_id=1
Talking about it now in the house... GD..you hear these bitches LOL... |
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PASSED!!
5/13/2016 Truly Agreed To and Finally Passed ......with emergency clause |
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Awesome! Now how long will we have to wait for the house to pass it?
Edit: Never mind, forgot it goes to Nixon now. |
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I think nixon gets 15 days, but dont hold me to it.... Veto session is mid sept (13th?)
Should be veto proof.... But now is a good time to thank your elected members... Edit: 15 days if theyre in session, 45 if theyre adjourned or in recess more than 30 days.... So Im guessing that will be 45... |
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If I remember correctly, the last pro-gun legislation vetoed by Gov. Nixon
was on July 5th. The day after Independence Day. |
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If I remember correctly, the last pro-gun legislation vetoed by Gov. Nixon was on July 5th. The day after Independence Day. View Quote He's a democrat, of course he'll veto it... Bloomberg didnt pump a whole load of money into false advertising in jefferson city to lose again... I suspect Nixon is already bought and paid for and has already been given a copy of what he has to write a la Georgia's governor. Just be ready to hit up your elected members for the override, and take the time now to thank them for their stellar work getting it through... and if you live in an area where they didnt vote for it, correct the lies that were put out there for them... |
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This is for constitutional carry i.e. if I'm in the state IDGAF about CCW permits of any sort?
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This is for constitutional carry i.e. if I'm in the state IDGAF about CCW permits of any sort? View Quote Only for places you can OC now, will you be able to CC without permit. Still in your best interest to have a permit, but for 95% of the people, it will be a lot better. We are not at IDGAF level yet |
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Everybody has to remember, because of our a-hole governor, this needed a super majority to pass. Wait until what can be accomplished in the next sessions if/when we have a pro-2A governor, more republican senators/representatives, and only need 51% of the vote. This laid the tracks to true & absolute constitutional carry, campus carry, etc.
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Everybody has to remember, because of our a-hole governor, this needed a super majority to pass. Wait until what can be accomplished in the next sessions if/when we have a pro-2A governor, more republican senators/representatives, and only need 51% of the vote. This laid the tracks to true & absolute constitutional carry, campus carry, etc. View Quote S'ok Hilary will sort that for you... |
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Please excuse my ignorance or laziness to do my own research but what will happen to the current permit process? Are CCW permits going to go away? What about traveling out of state? I can't imagine the same states will recognize a constitutional carry bill like they would a permit.
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From what I'm hearing, the permit system will still be intact, and you'll need one to CC in jurisdictions where OC is prohibited. Thus permits will still be needed to CC in a reciprocal state.
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There was wording for extended and lifetime permits included as well (at least in the version I skimmed through). There was also weird wording about drinking and carrying with an extended or lifetime permit. Not that I promote drinking and carrying, but the wording almost looks like it makes it a crime to be drunk and carrying with the extended or lifetime, whereas, the standard permit, being drunk while carrying, does not become a crime, unless you do something illegal with the gun.
This bill has really fucked things up. It hasn't really changed anything with concealed carry, only made things more confusing. I Teach CCW classes, and I have been hearing a lot of people, 1; Think this is already law, 2; Think, and can not be convinced otherwise, that this will be absolute constitutional carry because they hear "constitutional carry" spouted from media sources, 3; That this is absolute constitutional carry because state law "trumps city laws". There is a lot of misinformation out there, and speculation from people that don't have a clue, and can't keep their mouths shut. I see a lot of people getting in trouble, thinking they can carry everywhere without a permit. This will do nothing but give the anti-gun crowd fuel, in the form of high gun crime rates. SHOULDDA EITHER DONE IT, OR LEFT IT ALONE. I don't care about the "one step at a time" crap. This is confusing A LOT of people. It was hard enough to explain that CC is preempted, but OC is not - unless you have a CCW permit. Now we might have to make them understand this. I think people have a hard time wrapping their heads around the stupid laws, not that my students are stupid. I personally wish they would have just done it. Stop with this pussyfooting around shit. |
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I think most of us would prefer the "second ammendment is my permit"... Wasnt going to get through though.
Maybe next year we will get state pre-emption on all firearm laws. That would solve your problems. States that have seen permitless ccw have also seen an increase in people taking ccw classes however, so you may be in a good position to correct some of those misconceptions. I see the OC part as a problem too, the saving grace being "concealed means concealed", and if you used it you probably have bigger issues. One plus point, a number of felonies associated with carrying where you shouldnt are no longer felonies. At the end of the day however it is the individual's obligation to know and understand the law. |
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I'd still bet on CC restrictions not holding up in court against the MO constitution.
Maybe this confusion will end in a case that leads to true unrestricted carry. |
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I have heard different storys from different people and sources. Some say this is Constitutional Carry, some say you can only CC where you can OC (I heard that was in a prior amended bill the House had put together but was rejected by the Senate and was removed, and I cant find it in the current bill)
Edited because I answered my own question when I went and read it again, to much verbiage, it gets confusing. |
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I have heard different storys from different people and sources. Some say this is Constitutional Carry, some say you can only CC where you can OC (I heard that was in a prior amended bill the House had put together but was rejected by the Senate and was removed, and I cant find it in the current bill) It looks like all they did was change it to an offense, unless I'm missing something I don't see where it says you don't need a permit. Bold text is what was added, 571.030. 1. A person commits the [crime] offense of unlawful use of weapons, except as otherwise provided by sections 571.101 to 571.121, if he or she knowingly: (1) Carries concealed upon or about his or her person a knife, a firearm, a blackjack or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use into any area where firearms are restricted under section 571.107; or View Quote First off, it's NOTHING yet....still a bill. All it does is make CCW legal where CCW is not banned (if you do NOT have a permit.) If you have a permit, nothing will change......(edit: you still have the 17 places you're not supposed to carry into and offense doesn't change.) OC used to be legal in most of the state unless specific municipalities banned it, but CCW was banned statewide unless you had a permit. |
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I understand it is not law yet, I just don't see where it points out that without a permit you can only carry concealed where open carry is legal. Please point me in the right direction, I'm trying to do my own research and not go by what others say.
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SB 656 decriminalizes the carrying of concealed weapons "everywhere" by simply adding the limitation, "into any area where firearms are restricted under section 571.107," so that it's only a criminal act in those locations.
From SB 656... 571.030. 1. A person commits the [crime] offense of unlawful use of weapons, except as otherwise provided by sections 571.101 to 571.121, if he or she knowingly:
(1) Carries concealed upon or about his or her person a knife, a firearm, a blackjack or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use into any area where firearms are restricted under section 571.107; or ... ... 8. [Unlawful use of weapons is a class D felony unless committed pursuant to subdivision (6), (7), or (8) of subsection 1 of this section, in which cases it is a class B misdemeanor, or subdivision (5) or (10) of subsection 1 of this section, in which case it is a class A misdemeanor if the firearm is unloaded and a class D felony if the firearm is loaded, or subdivision (9) of subsection 1 of this section, in which case it is a class B felony, except that if the violation of subdivision (9) of subsection 1 of this section results in injury or death to another person, it is a class A felony.] A person who commits the crime of unlawful use of weapons under: ... (2) Subdivision (1), (6), (7), or (8) of subsection 1 of this section shall be guilty of a class B misdemeanor, except when a concealed weapon is carried onto any private property whose owner has posted the premises as being off-limits to concealed firearms by means of one or more signs displayed in a conspicuous place of a minimum size of eleven inches by fourteen inches with the writing thereon in letters of not less than one inch, in which case the penalties of subsection 2 of section 571.107 shall apply; View Quote |
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Forgot to add...reports that permitless concealed carry would be legal "wherever OC is allowed" are incorrect. If SB 656 becomes law, local jurisdictions would still only be allowed to regulate open carry, not concealed carry. That section of law wouldn't change. (See 21.750 RSMo.)
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I understand it is not law yet, I just don't see where it points out that without a permit you can only carry concealed where open carry is legal. Please point me in the right direction, I'm trying to do my own research and not go by what others say. View Quote It doesn't point anything out, it just removes the ban on concealed carry without a permit. They're striking a former part of a law, not adding a new part exempting something. It's for the better. |
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What I meant was how are people coming to the conclution that you can only CC where OC is legal, I don't see any striked or added language that would change the law to that.
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What I meant was how are people coming to the conclution that you can only CC where OC is legal, I don't see any striked or added language that would change the law to that. View Quote I believe what your asking is going to fall more on cities and muni's......how their ordinances are written. Because if they ban "open display of firearms" in their city limits, that wouldn't apply to a concealed firearm (with or without a permit). However if the city prohibits "the carrying of a firearm", then it could.....unless you have a CCW permit where you would fall under a statewide preemption. Most of these laws have been fought over the last 13 yrs so that the cities had to include "except as authorized by RsMO 571....." This would not fall under that statute because a person without a permit does not fall into that exception. As I see it, they're breaking down the distinction between OC and CC.....so that it will just be "C" (Carry). Then it will be easier to make it Constitutional Carry (CC or OC, with our without a permit, state preemption of all the BS muni laws.) |
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