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Posted: 2/10/2016 1:23:52 PM EDT
THIS IS NOT MY SAFE!!!
James Reed posted this photo in an IL Facebook gun group with the following text: Someone found my suitcase between TT and Rissler on McVey in the ditch. Anybody see someone dumping stuff there?
Have list of guns and serial numbers now. Will put in comments. I'm sure whoever did this knows me. All I can say is don't fuck up. You got multiple thousands worth of guns and a chunk of cash. The $ doesn't matter. What matters is 90% of those were my dads and aren't replaceable. I can promise you'll have a better time with the sheriff than you will with me. I'm working on a list of what was stolen now. His location is listed as Smithton, MO, but again, this was posted in an IL group. If anyone comes across anything shady, be aware of this. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 1:38:13 PM EDT
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That does look like the work of someone who probably knew him. That sucks and I hope like hell they find that dirtbag. Makes me want to accelerate the plan of putting my safe in a safe room, and installing IP cameras everywhere. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 1:41:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That does look like the work of someone who probably knew him. That sucks and I hope like hell they find that dirtbag. Makes me want to accelerate the plan of putting my safe in a safe room, and installing IP cameras everywhere. God I hope they find the fuckers that did that... I wonder, does the ATF get involved in situations like this??? Where a safe was busted into any more than just a shotgun or fudd rifle was swiped... |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 1:50:50 PM EDT
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I imagine they would if there were NFA items in there.
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Posted: 2/10/2016 1:55:35 PM EDT
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Odd they left 3 long guns to the left of the safe. Also odd there's no burn marks in the carpet, when it looks like they torched it open.
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Posted: 2/10/2016 2:50:59 PM EDT
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WOW!
That's why you purchase a GOOD safe! On a good safe the lockers should have fired when the heat was applied preventing the door from being opened. Also, it appears that door is fabricated out of pretty thin metal. Mine is over 1" of laminated steel. My safe... 
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Posted: 2/10/2016 2:53:57 PM EDT
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Odd they left 3 long guns to the left of the safe. Also odd there's no burn marks in the carpet, when it looks like they torched it open. I'm guessing plasma cutter. I think if they used a oxy/acetylene torch the paint would have been burned off a LOT more around the cut lines. Just a guess really. Hope they find then execute the dirtbags that did this. I can't imagine coming home to find my safe in that condition. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 2:59:34 PM EDT
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WOW!
That's why you purchase a GOOD safe! On a good safe the lockers should have fired when the heat was applied preventing the door from being opened. Also, it appears that door is fabricated out of pretty thin metal. Mine is over 1" of laminated steel. My safe... <a href="http://s135.photobucket.com/user/PursuitSS/media/34a913ade59bb1072a8188dc34807ad9.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q125/PursuitSS/34a913ade59bb1072a8188dc34807ad9.jpg</a> Laminated steel? And that's better than solid steel how? |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 3:11:09 PM EDT
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Laminated steel? And that's better than solid steel how? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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WOW!
That's why you purchase a GOOD safe! On a good safe the lockers should have fired when the heat was applied preventing the door from being opened. Also, it appears that door is fabricated out of pretty thin metal. Mine is over 1" of laminated steel. My safe... <a href="http://s135.photobucket.com/user/PursuitSS/media/34a913ade59bb1072a8188dc34807ad9.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q125/PursuitSS/34a913ade59bb1072a8188dc34807ad9.jpg</a> Laminated steel? And that's better than solid steel how? As I understand it, it has uber hard heat treating that's more difficult to obtain on a solid sheet of steel. IIRC, it's four sheets of 1/4" steel. It has thermal relockers Glass plate relockers Vibration relockers Ball Bearing hard plate It was recommended by a friend who is a professional locksmith and safe specialist (he didn't sell this brand) he stated it is (was) the most secure gun safe he's ever encountered. He stated he could open most gun safes in just a few minutes. One criteria many safe experts say to look at is the weight of the safe, mine is 2,200 lbs. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 3:35:52 PM EDT
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Odd they left 3 long guns to the left of the safe. Also odd there's no burn marks in the carpet, when it looks like they torched it open. It had to be someone that knows him, in his comments he state they left his three favorite guns that had been passed down in his family. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 4:16:30 PM EDT
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I'm guessing plasma cutter. I think if they used a oxy/acetylene torch the paint would have been burned off a LOT more around the cut lines. Just a guess really. Hope they find then execute the dirtbags that did this. I can't imagine coming home to find my safe in that condition. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Odd they left 3 long guns to the left of the safe. Also odd there's no burn marks in the carpet, when it looks like they torched it open. I'm guessing plasma cutter. I think if they used a oxy/acetylene torch the paint would have been burned off a LOT more around the cut lines. Just a guess really. Hope they find then execute the dirtbags that did this. I can't imagine coming home to find my safe in that condition. If that's a plasma cut, it's easy to see why these guys are out stealing for a living instead of working in a welding shop. 
Thieves suck. |
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Posted: 2/10/2016 6:56:41 PM EDT
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They had plenty of time to break into that safe. Thank God they left the red cup...because I would need a drink if I came home to that.
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Posted: 2/10/2016 9:41:17 PM EDT
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Insurance scam?
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Posted: 2/10/2016 10:25:08 PM EDT
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Insurance scam? Dunno. Plausible. |
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Posted: 2/11/2016 8:49:00 AM EDT
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It had to be someone that knows him, in his comments he state they left his three favorite guns that had been passed down in his family. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Odd they left 3 long guns to the left of the safe. Also odd there's no burn marks in the carpet, when it looks like they torched it open. It had to be someone that knows him, in his comments he state they left his three favorite guns that had been passed down in his family. I think about such a tragedy every time the UPS/FedEx/USPS folks bring me a package that has some external "gun" markings.  They know what we get.
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Posted: 2/11/2016 9:53:07 AM EDT
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WOW!
That's why you purchase a GOOD safe! On a good safe the lockers should have fired when the heat was applied preventing the door from being opened. Also, it appears that door is fabricated out of pretty thin metal. Mine is over 1" of laminated steel. My safe... <a href="http://s135.photobucket.com/user/PursuitSS/media/34a913ade59bb1072a8188dc34807ad9.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q125/PursuitSS/34a913ade59bb1072a8188dc34807ad9.jpg</a> If it's 1" steel it would weigh quite a bit more than 2200#, just the door would be around 1K#, not saying it isn't 4 layers of steel, but I suspect the 1" is made up of different materials To answer the question about laminated - the layers make most any kind of flame cutting very hard, even harder if there is something other than steel in the mix. |
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Posted: 2/11/2016 9:59:39 AM EDT
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If it's 1" steel it would weigh quite a bit more than 2200#, just the door would be around 1K#, not saying it isn't 4 layers of steel, but I suspect the 1" is made up of different materials To answer the question about laminated - the layers make most any kind of flame cutting very hard, even harder if there is something other than steel in the mix. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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WOW!
That's why you purchase a GOOD safe! On a good safe the lockers should have fired when the heat was applied preventing the door from being opened. Also, it appears that door is fabricated out of pretty thin metal. Mine is over 1" of laminated steel. My safe... <a href="http://s135.photobucket.com/user/PursuitSS/media/34a913ade59bb1072a8188dc34807ad9.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q125/PursuitSS/34a913ade59bb1072a8188dc34807ad9.jpg</a> If it's 1" steel it would weigh quite a bit more than 2200#, just the door would be around 1K#, not saying it isn't 4 layers of steel, but I suspect the 1" is made up of different materials To answer the question about laminated - the layers make most any kind of flame cutting very hard, even harder if there is something other than steel in the mix. Dang, this is hitting pretty close to home for you guys. I hope they catch the dirtbags. |
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Posted: 2/11/2016 11:52:36 AM EDT
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If it's 1" steel it would weigh quite a bit more than 2200#, just the door would be around 1K#, not saying it isn't 4 layers of steel, but I suspect the 1" is made up of different materials To answer the question about laminated - the layers make most any kind of flame cutting very hard, even harder if there is something other than steel in the mix. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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WOW!
That's why you purchase a GOOD safe! On a good safe the lockers should have fired when the heat was applied preventing the door from being opened. Also, it appears that door is fabricated out of pretty thin metal. Mine is over 1" of laminated steel. My safe... <a href="http://s135.photobucket.com/user/PursuitSS/media/34a913ade59bb1072a8188dc34807ad9.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q125/PursuitSS/34a913ade59bb1072a8188dc34807ad9.jpg</a> If it's 1" steel it would weigh quite a bit more than 2200#, just the door would be around 1K#, not saying it isn't 4 layers of steel, but I suspect the 1" is made up of different materials To answer the question about laminated - the layers make most any kind of flame cutting very hard, even harder if there is something other than steel in the mix. Only the door is 1", the body is 1/4" then fireproofing then 3/16". We had to have it moved with a boom truck crane. |
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Posted: 2/11/2016 1:04:05 PM EDT
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Not to get into a bigger dick competition over safes, but I plan on this soon...especially after seeing the theft above.
http://www.sturdysafe.com/pages/how-sturdy-safes-are-built Sturdy makes an option for "more steel" in the safe. 4g Body 3/8" Door 8x12" Stainless Upgrade 4-5ft of 3/16" Reinforcement Sorry, but I don't buy into gluing multiple pieces of smaller steel together to get a thicker piece. Once you get through a thin piece of steel with a cut off wheel, that wheel can grab the edge of the steel and it goes like butter. Same with a torch. While I've never broken into a safe, I've cut enough steel in my life to know how to cut it for speed or cleanliness of cut. |
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Posted: 2/11/2016 8:42:47 PM EDT
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In reality most portable plasma cutter can easily cut through 3/8 to 1/2" steel. while being run off a small compressor in stints between low pressures.
Even if you have a 1" door it will only cause someone to cut through the much thinner side. |
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Posted: 2/11/2016 10:53:16 PM EDT
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If you give them time they will cut through anything. The key is to limit the time they have available. The safe / vault is just part of the package. There are several options out there to create the best package for your situation. Make sure you have a good security system with monitoring, video cameras with remote alarms/monitoring, dogs, etc.
Make sure to let those friends of your friends (that take an interest in your safe / vault, security, etc), know just how crazy you are and that you have a friend with a backhoe. |
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Posted: 2/11/2016 11:02:50 PM EDT
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^^^^
Sub MG, agreed! Package is the plan. I hope whoever did this already looked down the barrel of one of those guns, to see if it was loaded. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 12:15:46 AM EDT
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This house where this took place is about a mile and a half from me. I don't know the guy though. I'll do some digging and see if I can find more info though.
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Posted: 2/12/2016 9:36:26 AM EDT
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If you give them time they will cut through anything. The key is to limit the time they have available. The safe / vault is just part of the package. There are several options out there to create the best package for your situation. Make sure you have a good security system with monitoring, video cameras with remote alarms/monitoring, dogs, etc. Make sure to let those friends of your friends (that take an interest in your safe / vault, security, etc), know just how crazy you are and that you have a friend with a backhoe. Love the backhoe comment. Lol |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 10:58:26 AM EDT
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just how crazy you are and that you have a friend with a backhoe. Amateurs! Hell, that just means that someone can FIND the evidence, the CORRECT solution is NO BODY evidence waste! 
Go to around 3:10 in... http://www.jwce.com/videos/video/mega-machines-features-jwce-sewage-grinder/ 
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Posted: 2/12/2016 1:15:23 PM EDT
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Amateurs! Hell, that just means that someone can FIND the evidence, the CORRECT solution is NO BODY evidence waste!
Go to around 3:10 in... http://www.jwce.com/videos/video/mega-machines-features-jwce-sewage-grinder/ <a href="http://s135.photobucket.com/user/PursuitSS/media/Bolt%20Carriers/2016-02/45121F8A-A0AC-4815-B5B5-0A5503E95DB3.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q125/PursuitSS/Bolt%20Carriers/2016-02/45121F8A-A0AC-4815-B5B5-0A5503E95DB3.jpg</a> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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just how crazy you are and that you have a friend with a backhoe. Amateurs! Hell, that just means that someone can FIND the evidence, the CORRECT solution is NO BODY evidence waste!
Go to around 3:10 in... http://www.jwce.com/videos/video/mega-machines-features-jwce-sewage-grinder/ <a href="http://s135.photobucket.com/user/PursuitSS/media/Bolt%20Carriers/2016-02/45121F8A-A0AC-4815-B5B5-0A5503E95DB3.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q125/PursuitSS/Bolt%20Carriers/2016-02/45121F8A-A0AC-4815-B5B5-0A5503E95DB3.jpg</a> LMAO!!! That grinder is in Newark, NJ... Go figure!!! This may be more economical though. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hydrochloric-Acid-37-4-Gallons-Exceeds-ACS-Grade-Cleanroom-Grade-Reagent-/111005319348 |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 1:21:03 PM EDT
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I have access to those grinders, I'm not saying that I would have a need for them
But the phrase "I'm running out of places to hide the bodies" isn't in my vocabulary. 
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Posted: 2/12/2016 2:51:25 PM EDT
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Since we're totally off topic now... I find it relaxing to watch these videos.
https://www.ssiworld.com/en/watch_it_shred |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 11:26:19 PM EDT
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We have some similar toys at power plants we visit with thousands of hp motors driving them like this one.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUDNna1FKsA[/youtube] And this one would work great. You don't even need to remove them from the car... [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGvyhQJA4EI[/youtube] |
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Posted: 2/13/2016 3:14:53 PM EDT
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Livestock incinerator. We have lots of them around MO.
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Posted: 2/13/2016 3:46:29 PM EDT
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The best safes out there have laminated doors. Gaffunders have 1/2" manganese plate over 1" steel.
They are serious freggin safes and are damn hard to get in to. Better have a thick floor in your basement/garage. http://www.graffundersafes.com/products/safes-weapon.html ETA - Even the best safes can be penetrated in a matter of minutes with the proper tools. Buy good insurance and don't worry about it. That's my M.O.... $500 a year buys a very nice policy. |
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Posted: 2/13/2016 3:55:08 PM EDT
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If you give them time they will cut through anything. The key is to limit the time they have available. The safe / vault is just part of the package. There are several options out there to create the best package for your situation. Make sure you have a good security system with monitoring, video cameras with remote alarms/monitoring, dogs, etc. Make sure to let those friends of your friends (that take an interest in your safe / vault, security, etc), know just how crazy you are and that you have a friend with a backhoe. He doesn't need the Backhoe, There is a pig farm not far away... Teeth come out pretty easily making identification of the rest.... Problematic... Friends will help you, Real Friends will help hide the bodies! |
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Posted: 2/13/2016 5:32:22 PM EDT
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The best safes out there have laminated doors. Gaffunders have 1/2" manganese plate over 1" steel. They are serious freggin safes and are damn hard to get in to. Better have a thick floor in your basement/garage. http://www.graffundersafes.com/products/safes-weapon.html ETA - Even the best safes can be penetrated in a matter of minutes with the proper tools. Buy good insurance and don't worry about it. That's my M.O.... $500 a year buys a very nice policy. Hate to break the news, but price doesn't always dictate quality. |
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Posted: 2/13/2016 7:29:31 PM EDT
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Lol... Did you even look at the link? They are a little more sophisticated than the Sturdy you want. Nothing wrong with a Sturdy, but we are comparing apples to elephants. There is literally no comparison between a 7 gauge Sturdy and an F-Grade 1" steel safe with laminated manganese door and randomized relockers.
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Posted: 2/14/2016 12:13:35 AM EDT
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Yeah, especially the price.
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