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Posted: 4/23/2013 3:58:45 PM EST
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Bill text:
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Bill is now going to full Senate. Hearing scheduled 4/29/13
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Posted: 4/23/2013 5:42:26 PM EST
Testimony submitted. I tried to not make it too lengthy.

The importance of Second Amendment Preservation Act cannot be overstated. The citizens of Missouri deserve the protection, from an over-reaching Federal Government, that this bill will provide. For too long have the bureaucrats in Washington DC trampled, watered-down, and flat out ignored the United States Constitution and the freedoms that the sacred document guarantees the citizens of our great nation. The time has come for the individual states to speak out, through legislation like the Second Amendment Preservation Act, to Washington DC and let them know that the rights and liberties guaranteed by the U.S. and Missouri Constitutions are as important to us now as when our Founding Fathers penned them so many years ago.

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Posted: 4/23/2013 6:01:47 PM EST
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Posted: 4/23/2013 6:04:36 PM EST
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Posted: 4/23/2013 6:05:15 PM EST
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Posted: 4/23/2013 6:17:14 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Predator_CAR15:As Californian I know what it's like to come from a state with strict gun-control measures. With the ever-growing threat of an overreaching federal bureaucracy. With legislation and the loss of more of our liberties this is a must pass bill. This will ensure future generations of Americans living in Missouri and Missourians that their Second Amendment rights are secured and honored by the state of Missouri. We need to go the opposite direction of such states like Colorado, New Jersey, New York, and California. Let's send a message to Washington and the rest of the country to say that our Second Amendment rights shall not be tampered with. Any further infringements undermine our right to keep and bear arms.this legislation will only save lives and make people safer. Personally I hope enjoy these liberties within my lifetime and this bill will make it a reality, and the only reason I wont become a FFL dealer or gun smith is because of the ATF and having to deal with them. They have an awful history just look at atfabuse.com this legislation will allow private individuals to be gunsmiths and open their own business on their own accord.there's nothing but positive business aspects of this bill as well.

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Posted: 4/23/2013 6:41:14 PM EST
So I'm not attending the hearing or anything can I fill out this witness form still?
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Posted: 4/23/2013 6:54:19 PM EST
I did it anyway here is my post:

"As an 8th generation American and Missourian whose family arrived in this State even before its founding, I take great pride and interest in seeing this bill move forward. My interest stems not from laws being rewritten, but from an effort to defend the Constitution of the United States as it was written and intended. Legislators and judges have continued to pervert and corrupt the Bill of Rights and this effort to draw a line in the sand, to protect the rights American citizens have had since their first breath, renews my faith that the elected representatives of Missouri are truly concerned about the rights and well being of the citizens. I strongly urge the passage of this bill for the sake of past, present, and future generations to let it be known that free people shall always be free."
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Posted: 4/23/2013 7:18:02 PM EST
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So I'm not attending the hearing or anything can I fill out this witness form still?


Yes, a good idea, and you did fine in yours.

I hope this passes . It will be a huge boost for Mo. Some reps have already started courting some industries ( like Magpul and some other business' that are being shut down , although by choice in some cases ) by the very government that rolls in that tax money. I would like to see it come to Mo .
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Posted: 4/23/2013 7:31:00 PM EST
How many freedom sears will be made in one day?
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Posted: 4/23/2013 8:08:15 PM EST
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How many freedom sears will be made in one day?


You gonna be the legal test dummy?
Or the legal liability when said pissed off to high holy fuck badger comes crashing down. It would be like the unplanned rectal abortion of satan himself raining down upon someone. There would be....ramifications. --PeteCO
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Posted: 4/23/2013 8:34:40 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Sheddy:
How many freedom sears will be made in one day?


You gonna be the legal test dummy?


Doesn't matter if it's him or not, somebody will be...and hopefully there will be an overwhelming number of people who decide to taste freedom.
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Originally Posted By wheelchairman:
Originally Posted By Sheddy:
How many freedom sears will be made in one day?


You gonna be the legal test dummy?


Doesn't matter if it's him or not, somebody will be...and hopefully there will be an overwhelming number of people who decide to taste freedom.


THIS.

If enough of us do it... Ain't much they can do about it.

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Originally Posted By ak4784:
Originally Posted By wheelchairman:
Originally Posted By Sheddy:
How many freedom sears will be made in one day?


You gonna be the legal test dummy?


Doesn't matter if it's him or not, somebody will be...and hopefully there will be an overwhelming number of people who decide to taste freedom.


THIS.

If enough of us do it... Ain't much they can do about it.



Only option we have I think

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Posted: 4/23/2013 9:25:27 PM EST
Originally Posted By wheelchairman:
Originally Posted By ZMBKL_N:
Originally Posted By ak4784:
Originally Posted By wheelchairman:
Originally Posted By Sheddy:
How many freedom sears will be made in one day?


You gonna be the legal test dummy?


Doesn't matter if it's him or not, somebody will be...and hopefully there will be an overwhelming number of people who decide to taste freedom.


THIS.

If enough of us do it... Ain't much they can do about it.



Only option we have I think



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Posted: 4/24/2013 5:00:56 AM EST
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So, let's assume that this becomes law and someone tests it. Who pays for their legal defense? Will the State Police stand between you and the Feds when they come? The only way states are getting away with legalizing pot is because Hussein has decided it's not worth his time to enforce Federal law. I suspect that time would be found to make an example of anyone attempting to use state gun laws to override federal gun laws.

I really appreciate and support the intent, and it certainly sends a strong message, but I'm not going to be the test case.

ETA: Witness form filed. I suspect that I'll get flamed for this.

"I support this legislation because it sends a strong message to the Federal Government that the people of Missouri will not tolerate the destruction of our rights. Unfortunately, unless the State of Missouri also accepts responsibility for defending its citizens when Federal Agents arrive at their door and provides for legal representation when the citizen is charged, then this is little more than a hollow threat. I, for one, will not be a test case for the supremacy clause without the commitment of the State of Missouri to stand by my side.

May I respectfully suggest that any legislator who believes that this bill would protect Missouri citizens from Federal prosecution should openly defy the Federal law and lead by example."
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Posted: 4/24/2013 8:40:33 AM EST
Originally Posted By JC10311:
So, let's assume that this becomes law and someone tests it. Who pays for their legal defense? Will the State Police stand between you and the Feds when they come? The only way states are getting away with legalizing pot is because Hussein has decided it's not worth his time to enforce Federal law. I suspect that time would be found to make an example of anyone attempting to use state gun laws to override federal gun laws.

I really appreciate and support the intent, and it certainly sends a strong message, but I'm not going to be the test case.

ETA: Witness form filed. I suspect that I'll get flamed for this.

"I support this legislation because it sends a strong message to the Federal Government that the people of Missouri will not tolerate the destruction of our rights. Unfortunately, unless the State of Missouri also accepts responsibility for defending its citizens when Federal Agents arrive at their door and provides for legal representation when the citizen is charged, then this is little more than a hollow threat. I, for one, will not be a test case for the supremacy clause without the commitment of the State of Missouri to stand by my side.

May I respectfully suggest that any legislator who believes that this bill would protect Missouri citizens from Federal prosecution should openly defy the Federal law and lead by example."


Its saying federal law is trumped by the Constitution. Technically all levels of government are responsible for protecting the Constitution.
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Posted: 4/24/2013 9:21:14 AM EST
I'll test the crap out of it.

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Posted: 4/24/2013 9:23:29 AM EST
Originally Posted By Sheddy:
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So, let's assume that this becomes law and someone tests it. Who pays for their legal defense? Will the State Police stand between you and the Feds when they come? The only way states are getting away with legalizing pot is because Hussein has decided it's not worth his time to enforce Federal law. I suspect that time would be found to make an example of anyone attempting to use state gun laws to override federal gun laws.

I really appreciate and support the intent, and it certainly sends a strong message, but I'm not going to be the test case.

ETA: Witness form filed. I suspect that I'll get flamed for this.

"I support this legislation because it sends a strong message to the Federal Government that the people of Missouri will not tolerate the destruction of our rights. Unfortunately, unless the State of Missouri also accepts responsibility for defending its citizens when Federal Agents arrive at their door and provides for legal representation when the citizen is charged, then this is little more than a hollow threat. I, for one, will not be a test case for the supremacy clause without the commitment of the State of Missouri to stand by my side.

May I respectfully suggest that any legislator who believes that this bill would protect Missouri citizens from Federal prosecution should openly defy the Federal law and lead by example."


Its saying federal law is trumped by the Constitution. Technically all levels of government are responsible for protecting the Constitution.


I understand and support the sentiment, but state law may not supercede federal law. Unconstitutional laws are overturned the the SCOTUS, not by state or local legislation. What I'm trying to say is that IF the State of Missouri tells its citizens that it's OK to violate federal law because they believe that intrastate commerce is not under the jurisdiction of the Feds, then the state should be willing to actually stand between the federal agents and the citizen and/or provide for the citizen's legal challenge to the federal law. To do otherwise puts the citizen in jeopardy without state support and is a hollow gesture.

Please believe me whe I say that I detest the direction that the Kenyan and his gangsters are taking the country, but I'm not quite ready to give up on the processes that our Founding Fathers created for dealing with corrupt politicians. We must MAKE the system work.
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Posted: 4/24/2013 9:42:05 AM EST
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I'll test the crap out of it.



What would you be testing? Are you testing whether or not the Federal Government has jurisdiction over something that happens solely within the state? What if Missouri decides that federal laws against slavery don't apply if the owner and slave never leave the state? All bluster aside, are you -- is anyone -- truly prepared to lose everything they own, their livelihood, and probably their freedom to test this if the state provides NO support?

I believe that ALL of the anti-gun laws ever passed are in fact unconstitutional. Unfortunately the SCOTUS disagrees with me and by my supporting the Constitution I've agreed that their opinion wins.
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Posted: 4/24/2013 9:55:31 AM EST
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I'll test the crap out of it.



What would you be testing? Are you testing whether or not the Federal Government has jurisdiction over something that happens solely within the state? What if Missouri decides that federal laws against slavery don't apply if the owner and slave never leave the state? All bluster aside, are you -- is anyone -- truly prepared to lose everything they own, their livelihood, and probably their freedom to test this if the state provides NO support?

I believe that ALL of the anti-gun laws ever passed are in fact unconstitutional. Unfortunately the SCOTUS disagrees with me and by my supporting the Constitution I've agreed that their opinion wins.

Great wording in this post.

Seriously.


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Posted: 4/24/2013 10:43:33 AM EST
Beyond testing anything, the bill does not repeal Missouri statute 571.020, which makes it illegal to have any NFA goodies unless you comply with federal law. So the House bill nullifies all federal laws, but parts of remaining Missouri law will require us to abide by federal NFA laws. Possession of a SBR without a stamp would still be a class C felony. This removes the teeth of the bill in my opinion and will not provide “cash and carry” status for SBRs, suppressors, etc which was the part of the law that had my excited. :(
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Posted: 4/24/2013 11:36:39 AM EST
Done.

"I support this bill with great enthusiasm. For too long have we endured abuses by the Federal Government against our right to keep and bear arms. The Second Amendment Preservation Act will declare to the Federal Government that Missourians will not tolerate having their civil liberties and state sovereignty trampled on."
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Posted: 4/24/2013 12:51:44 PM EST
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Beyond testing anything, the bill does not repeal Missouri statute 571.020, which makes it illegal to have any NFA goodies unless you comply with federal law. So the House bill nullifies all federal laws, but parts of remaining Missouri law will require us to abide by federal NFA laws. Possession of a SBR without a stamp would still be a class C felony. This removes the teeth of the bill in my opinion and will not provide “cash and carry” status for SBRs, suppressors, etc which was the part of the law that had my excited. :(


It seems there is a fly in the ointment and Peep may have found it...
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Posted: 4/24/2013 1:20:35 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Little_Bo_Peep:
Beyond testing anything, the bill does not repeal Missouri statute 571.020, which makes it illegal to have any NFA goodies unless you comply with federal law. So the House bill nullifies all federal laws, but parts of remaining Missouri law will require us to abide by federal NFA laws. Possession of a SBR without a stamp would still be a class C felony. This removes the teeth of the bill in my opinion and will not provide “cash and carry” status for SBRs, suppressors, etc which was the part of the law that had my excited. :(


It seems there is a fly in the ointment and Peep may have found it...


It's a pretty crazy Catch 22, and it's confusing as hell.
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Posted: 4/24/2013 1:34:14 PM EST
Originally Posted By ErikO:
Originally Posted By Little_Bo_Peep:
Beyond testing anything, the bill does not repeal Missouri statute 571.020, which makes it illegal to have any NFA goodies unless you comply with federal law. So the House bill nullifies all federal laws, but parts of remaining Missouri law will require us to abide by federal NFA laws. Possession of a SBR without a stamp would still be a class C felony. This removes the teeth of the bill in my opinion and will not provide “cash and carry” status for SBRs, suppressors, etc which was the part of the law that had my excited. :(


It seems there is a fly in the ointment and Peep may have found it...


Just means that law has to be repealed next, does anyone have an update on the status of this?
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Posted: 4/24/2013 1:35:44 PM EST
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Just passed Senate General Laws Committee 4-1...

Now onto the full Senate.
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Just passed Senate General Laws Committee 4-1...

Now onto the full Senate.


Thanks for the update.
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Posted: 4/24/2013 1:59:18 PM EST
Nice!!!!
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Posted: 4/24/2013 1:59:44 PM EST
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I'll test the crap out of it.



What would you be testing? Are you testing whether or not the Federal Government has jurisdiction over something that happens solely within the state? What if Missouri decides that federal laws against slavery don't apply if the owner and slave never leave the state? All bluster aside, are you -- is anyone -- truly prepared to lose everything they own, their livelihood, and probably their freedom to test this if the state provides NO support?

I believe that ALL of the anti-gun laws ever passed are in fact unconstitutional. Unfortunately the SCOTUS disagrees with me and by my supporting the Constitution I've agreed that their opinion wins.


The Attorney General of the State of Missouri would represent you, as a citizen, if the feds did something to violate your rights under this new bill . It was covered in one of the committee hearings I went to for this bill.
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Posted: 4/24/2013 2:12:24 PM EST
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Originally Posted By JC10311:
Originally Posted By thefreshman991:
I'll test the crap out of it.



What would you be testing? Are you testing whether or not the Federal Government has jurisdiction over something that happens solely within the state? What if Missouri decides that federal laws against slavery don't apply if the owner and slave never leave the state? All bluster aside, are you -- is anyone -- truly prepared to lose everything they own, their livelihood, and probably their freedom to test this if the state provides NO support?

I believe that ALL of the anti-gun laws ever passed are in fact unconstitutional. Unfortunately the SCOTUS disagrees with me and by my supporting the Constitution I've agreed that their opinion wins.


The Attorney General of the State of Missouri would represent you, as a citizen, if the feds did something to violate your rights under this new bill . It was covered in one of the committee hearings I went to for this bill.


That is awesome!

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Posted: 4/24/2013 2:28:05 PM EST
Originally Posted By Festus_Hagen:
Originally Posted By JC10311:
Originally Posted By thefreshman991:
I'll test the crap out of it.



What would you be testing? Are you testing whether or not the Federal Government has jurisdiction over something that happens solely within the state? What if Missouri decides that federal laws against slavery don't apply if the owner and slave never leave the state? All bluster aside, are you -- is anyone -- truly prepared to lose everything they own, their livelihood, and probably their freedom to test this if the state provides NO support?

I believe that ALL of the anti-gun laws ever passed are in fact unconstitutional. Unfortunately the SCOTUS disagrees with me and by my supporting the Constitution I've agreed that their opinion wins.


The Attorney General of the State of Missouri would represent you, as a citizen, if the feds did something to violate your rights under this new bill . It was covered in one of the committee hearings I went to for this bill.


Thank you. I really wish that I could go to some of these.
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Posted: 4/24/2013 2:28:12 PM EST
Hit the link and provided my support in the form of a veiled threat.

I support this bill and the constitution. Any elected official that doesn't support and believe in the constitution will be aggressively campaigned against in their next election.
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Posted: 4/24/2013 3:08:07 PM EST
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Hit the link and provided my support in the form of a veiled threat.

I support this bill and the constitution. Any elected official that doesn't support and believe in the constitution will be aggressively campaigned against in their next election.


And it is working! They got over 850 witness sheets emailed in within a 24 hour period !
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Posted: 4/24/2013 3:27:31 PM EST
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Just passed Senate General Laws Committee 4-1...

Now onto the full Senate.


Excellent. Do we know when that will happen?


Also, I'm not super knowledgeable about MOs legislative process. If Nixon vetos this bill, does another vote have to be held to over ride the veto, or will that just be assumed if the vote passes with a strong enough majority?
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Posted: 4/24/2013 3:33:01 PM EST
Originally Posted By JOHNSON1911:
Originally Posted By Festus_Hagen:
Originally Posted By JC10311:
Originally Posted By thefreshman991:
I'll test the crap out of it.



What would you be testing? Are you testing whether or not the Federal Government has jurisdiction over something that happens solely within the state? What if Missouri decides that federal laws against slavery don't apply if the owner and slave never leave the state? All bluster aside, are you -- is anyone -- truly prepared to lose everything they own, their livelihood, and probably their freedom to test this if the state provides NO support?

I believe that ALL of the anti-gun laws ever passed are in fact unconstitutional. Unfortunately the SCOTUS disagrees with me and by my supporting the Constitution I've agreed that their opinion wins.


The Attorney General of the State of Missouri would represent you, as a citizen, if the feds did something to violate your rights under this new bill . It was covered in one of the committee hearings I went to for this bill.


That is awesome!



Thankfully, we have a good AG in MO.
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Posted: 4/24/2013 4:18:06 PM EST
Originally Posted By ErikO:
Originally Posted By JOHNSON1911:
Originally Posted By Festus_Hagen:
Originally Posted By JC10311:
Originally Posted By thefreshman991:
I'll test the crap out of it.



What would you be testing? Are you testing whether or not the Federal Government has jurisdiction over something that happens solely within the state? What if Missouri decides that federal laws against slavery don't apply if the owner and slave never leave the state? All bluster aside, are you -- is anyone -- truly prepared to lose everything they own, their livelihood, and probably their freedom to test this if the state provides NO support?

I believe that ALL of the anti-gun laws ever passed are in fact unconstitutional. Unfortunately the SCOTUS disagrees with me and by my supporting the Constitution I've agreed that their opinion wins.


The Attorney General of the State of Missouri would represent you, as a citizen, if the feds did something to violate your rights under this new bill . It was covered in one of the committee hearings I went to for this bill.


That is awesome!



Thankfully, we have a good AG in MO.


Most definitely. Just look how he's investigated the CCW records scandle.
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Posted: 4/24/2013 4:23:22 PM EST
Originally Posted By gerfungerpoken:
Originally Posted By ErikO:
Originally Posted By JOHNSON1911:
Originally Posted By Festus_Hagen:
Originally Posted By JC10311:
Originally Posted By thefreshman991:
I'll test the crap out of it.



What would you be testing? Are you testing whether or not the Federal Government has jurisdiction over something that happens solely within the state? What if Missouri decides that federal laws against slavery don't apply if the owner and slave never leave the state? All bluster aside, are you -- is anyone -- truly prepared to lose everything they own, their livelihood, and probably their freedom to test this if the state provides NO support?

I believe that ALL of the anti-gun laws ever passed are in fact unconstitutional. Unfortunately the SCOTUS disagrees with me and by my supporting the Constitution I've agreed that their opinion wins.


The Attorney General of the State of Missouri would represent you, as a citizen, if the feds did something to violate your rights under this new bill . It was covered in one of the committee hearings I went to for this bill.


That is awesome!



Thankfully, we have a good AG in MO.


Most definitely. Just look how he's investigated the CCW records scandle.


Zing!
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Posted: 4/24/2013 4:28:48 PM EST
Originally Posted By Festus_Hagen:
Originally Posted By Rob_xiix:
Hit the link and provided my support in the form of a veiled threat.

I support this bill and the constitution. Any elected official that doesn't support and believe in the constitution will be aggressively campaigned against in their next election.


And it is working! They got over 850 witness sheets emailed in within a 24 hour period !


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Posted: 4/24/2013 4:35:41 PM EST
Originally Posted By Festus_Hagen:
Originally Posted By JC10311:
Originally Posted By thefreshman991:
I'll test the crap out of it.



What would you be testing? Are you testing whether or not the Federal Government has jurisdiction over something that happens solely within the state? What if Missouri decides that federal laws against slavery don't apply if the owner and slave never leave the state? All bluster aside, are you -- is anyone -- truly prepared to lose everything they own, their livelihood, and probably their freedom to test this if the state provides NO support?

I believe that ALL of the anti-gun laws ever passed are in fact unconstitutional. Unfortunately the SCOTUS disagrees with me and by my supporting the Constitution I've agreed that their opinion wins.


The Attorney General of the State of Missouri would represent you, as a citizen, if the feds did something to violate your rights under this new bill . It was covered in one of the committee hearings I went to for this bill.


That is bad ass this legislation has some gumption. I think freedom sears will appear seconds after this passes. I want a freedom suppressor along with the FCGs for my AKs and my AR. ;)
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Posted: 4/24/2013 4:37:03 PM EST
Originally Posted By Predator_CAR15:
Originally Posted By Festus_Hagen:
Originally Posted By JC10311:
Originally Posted By thefreshman991:
I'll test the crap out of it.



What would you be testing? Are you testing whether or not the Federal Government has jurisdiction over something that happens solely within the state? What if Missouri decides that federal laws against slavery don't apply if the owner and slave never leave the state? All bluster aside, are you -- is anyone -- truly prepared to lose everything they own, their livelihood, and probably their freedom to test this if the state provides NO support?

I believe that ALL of the anti-gun laws ever passed are in fact unconstitutional. Unfortunately the SCOTUS disagrees with me and by my supporting the Constitution I've agreed that their opinion wins.


The Attorney General of the State of Missouri would represent you, as a citizen, if the feds did something to violate your rights under this new bill . It was covered in one of the committee hearings I went to for this bill.


That is bad ass this legislation has some gumption. I think freedom sears will appear seconds after this passes. I want a freedom suppressor along with the FCGs for my AKs and my AR. ;)


I bet CMMG won't mind it one bit.
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Posted: 4/24/2013 4:47:11 PM EST
As was already stated, Mo. already has laws against NFA stuff, so it really won't have an effect on that.
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Posted: 4/24/2013 4:48:49 PM EST
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As was already stated, Mo. already has laws against NFA stuff, so it really won't have an effect on that.


Direct sales of Missouri manufactured firearms would open up a LOT to CMMG though.
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Posted: 4/24/2013 4:52:06 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Festus_Hagen:
As was already stated, Mo. already has laws against NFA stuff, so it really won't have an effect on that.


Direct sales of Missouri manufactured firearms would open up a LOT to CMMG though.


They already sell direct. I assume you are talking about sales without a 4473? It would only open things up to them if they have the balls to do it. I would imagine it would put their Federal licenses in jeopardy.
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Posted: 4/24/2013 4:56:01 PM EST
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As was already stated, Mo. already has laws against NFA stuff, so it really won't have an effect on that.


Direct sales of Missouri manufactured firearms would open up a LOT to CMMG though.


They already sell direct. I assume you are talking about sales without a 4473? It would only open things up to them if they have the balls to do it. I would imagine it would put their Federal licenses in jeopardy.


Yeah, direct sales of complete arms and lowers probably would never happen as the first test from an established arms manufacturer. Now, an unlicensed manufacturer that has deep pockets on the other hand...

Time to hit the PowerBall.
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Posted: 4/24/2013 5:00:03 PM EST
even though MO has laws pertaining to NFA stuff if the federal law is null wouldnt that make the law moot? I remember seeing that law before too its been a thought on my mind as well. Well I guess we will have to just wait and see what happens right?
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Posted: 4/24/2013 5:33:15 PM EST
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even though MO has laws pertaining to NFA stuff if the federal law is null wouldnt that make the law moot? I remember seeing that law before too its been a thought on my mind as well. Well I guess we will have to just wait and see what happens right?


I dunno, I'm still searching for "exactly" our state says about it other than what the feds say . Anyone knows where, please point the way .
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Posted: 4/24/2013 5:43:19 PM EST
Originally Posted By Festus_Hagen:
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even though MO has laws pertaining to NFA stuff if the federal law is null wouldnt that make the law moot? I remember seeing that law before too its been a thought on my mind as well. Well I guess we will have to just wait and see what happens right?


I dunno, I'm still searching for "exactly" our state says about it other than what the feds say . Anyone knows where, please point the way .


here is where I read it before.
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Posted: 4/24/2013 5:57:23 PM EST
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Missouri Revised Statutes
Chapter 571
Weapons Offenses

571.020. Possession--manufacture--transport--repair--sale of certain weapons a
crime--exceptions--penalties.

This part basically says if you don't play by the federal rules you are in violation.

This is the only section in Missouri Law that mentions Machine Guns, SBR's, suppressors.

Looks like its going to be game on for those who manufacture here in the state.

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Posted: 4/24/2013 6:02:26 PM EST
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Originally Posted By thefreshman991:
Missouri Revised Statutes
Chapter 571
Weapons Offenses

571.020. Possession--manufacture--transport--repair--sale of certain weapons a
crime--exceptions--penalties.

This part basically says if you don't play by the federal rules you are in violation.

This is the only section in Missouri Law that mentions Machine Guns, SBR's, suppressors.

Looks like its going to be game on for those who manufacture here in the state.

Link


Ouch . Loophole .


(6) Any of the following in violation of federal law:

(a) A machine gun;

(b) A short-barreled rifle or shotgun;

(c) A firearm silencer; or

(d) A switchblade knife.
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Posted: 4/24/2013 6:15:59 PM EST
I haven't yet read the full text of the bill so just did.

I like the last part. Basically anyone that arrests or charges you for a federal violation... you can sue them for judgment in Missouri Court.

That's pretty awesome.
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