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Posted: 4/26/2017 5:41:49 PM EDT
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Has anybody heard any news on this?
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Posted: 4/26/2017 8:31:57 PM EDT
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Sounds like they didn't vote. Held up in committee? |
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Posted: 4/26/2017 8:47:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryYeah, it sounds like today there was just a public hearing, and that the bill will be hanging around in committee for a while.
Oh well, fingers crossed. And if it doesn't pass or dies in committee, time to vote some motherfuckers out of office. |
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Posted: 4/26/2017 9:37:49 PM EDT
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The Sheriffs Association, and a bunch of uniformed officers were there in force.
Most were using democrat tactics and trying to pull heart strings talking about how it saves children...and similar stuff. I got there a few mins late and missed the sign up sheet to speak to the whole committee. I did speak with the head of the committee (Treadaway) after it was over. He was receptive to some stuff I pointed out, and didn't want to hear others. He told me I was in a minority as far as LE supporting the bill. (Duh, that's why I went) My position was that you have the same expectation of privacy in your car as you do your house. The only exigency allowing roadside warrantless searches is the fact that your car is mobile. Therefore, it is an extension of your home, and should be treated as such. Also, I pointed out that in AL, if you had to use a firearm in self defense, and you were charged with ccw, it's in the AL code, that self defense is an affirmative defense to the charge, so basically the state is saying you should be able to have it in your car.. 
In the end, I don't feel great about it, but we really need to stay on our reps asses about it. Treadaway would not commit to a date for it to go to the house, he said it would go to a sub committee first, and he didn't have a date for that. |
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Posted: 4/26/2017 11:27:13 PM EDT
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The Sheriffs Association, and a bunch of uniformed officers were there in force. Most were using democrat tactics and trying to pull heart strings talking about how it saves children...and similar stuff. I got there a few mins late and missed the sign up sheet to speak to the whole committee. I did speak with the head of the committee (Treadaway) after it was over. He was receptive to some stuff I pointed out, and didn't want to hear others. He told me I was in a minority as far as LE supporting the bill. (Duh, that's why I went) My position was that you have the same expectation of privacy in your car as you do your house. The only exigency allowing roadside warrantless searches is the fact that your car is mobile. Therefore, it is an extension of your home, and should be treated as such. Also, I pointed out that in AL, if you had to use a firearm in self defense, and you were charged with ccw, it's in the AL code, that self defense is an affirmative defense to the charge, so basically the state is saying you should be able to have it in your car..
In the end, I don't feel great about it, but we really need to stay on our reps asses about it. Treadaway would not commit to a date for it to go to the house, he said it would go to a sub committee first, and he didn't have a date for that. I'm really counting on this to come through, as my sheriff (Abernathy) is being a real dick about issuing my wife a CCW. He's refusing on the basis of her being prescribed an SSRI (which she no longer takes) for postpartum depression two years ago. Now, I'm no lawyer, but that doesn't seem like something that should be at the sheriff's discretion in a supposedly "shall-issue" state. I guess it should come as no surprise that Abernathy has publicly--and loudly--voiced his disapproval for the constitutional carry bills. And yet BamaCarry endorsed him all the same, because "he's a man of God". What a load of bullshit. [/rant off] |
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Posted: 4/26/2017 11:54:27 PM EDT
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The propaganda machine is full force. The narrative has changed from only Sheriffs and few of their chief of police cronies opposing SB 24 to using the terms "law enforcement officers" trying to make it look like regular street officers oppose it. They lie once again.
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Posted: 4/27/2017 12:48:09 AM EDT
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Smitty, thanks for your efforts. Much appreciated!
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Posted: 4/27/2017 2:30:13 PM EDT
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Any updates?
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Posted: 4/27/2017 3:23:23 PM EDT
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Thanks Smitty. I appreciate what you did for us!
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Posted: 4/27/2017 11:02:59 PM EDT
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If I recall the house committee is where related bills have gone to die consistently for the last few years.
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Posted: 4/28/2017 2:30:08 PM EDT
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Just heard that Treadaway has said the committee will vote on sending it to the floor of the house. He has not set a date to vote yet.
ETA: 
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Posted: 4/28/2017 2:46:29 PM EDT
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Just heard that Treadaway has said the committee will vote on sending it to the floor of the house. He has not set a date to vote yet. 
EDIT: Rep. Allen Treadaway (R) (205) 254-1700 Morris office (334) 242-7685 Montgomery office [email protected] Rep. Thomas Jackson (D) [email protected] 334-242-7738 Rep. Allen Farley (R) [email protected] 334-242-7767 Rep. Mary Moore (D) [email protected] 334-242-7608 What is the name of the committee? Is it the House public safety and homeland security committee? Looks it but need confirmation before I start pasting links to all the members? |
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Posted: 4/28/2017 5:56:22 PM EDT
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What is the name of the committee? Is it the House public safety and homeland security committee? Looks it but need confirmation before I start pasting links to all the members? Treadaway Farley Jackson Ainsworth Drake England Hanes Moore Rowe Shiver Wharton (Wharton is one of the sponsors) |
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Posted: 4/28/2017 10:08:50 PM EDT
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House Public Safety and Homeland Security Committee
[email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] REPRESENTATIVE TREADAWAY, ALLEN Affiliation:(R) District:House District 51 County:Jefferson Phone Number:334-242-7685 Fax Number: Street:11 South Union Street Office:Suite 528-A City:Montgomery State:AL Postal Code:36130-2950 Email:[email protected] Treadaway said an example of how the permit requirement is an important tool for law enforcement came last week when Birmingham police stopped a pickup with no headlights on. The officers noticed an AR-15 on the back seat, which was not illegal, Treadaway said. The driver admitted to having a pistol in the truck and did not have a permit for it.
That led to his arrest and a search of the truck, which turned up two pipe bombs and illegal drugs, Treadaway said. "That's a prime example that if this law passed, the concerns of law enforcement is that tool would be taken away," Treadaway said. (http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2017/04/law_enforcement_gun_rights_adv.html) Affiliation:(R) District:House District 15 County:Jefferson County, Shelby County Phone Number:334-242-7767 Fax Number: Street:11 South Union Street Office:Suite 427-L City:Montgomery State:AL Postal Code:36130-2950 Email:[email protected] Art Thomm, state liaison for the National Rifle Association, gave committee members a handout showing that 12 states allow concealed carry without a permit -- Alaska, Arizona, Idaho, Kansas, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, Vermont, West Virginia, Wyoming, New Hampshire and Montana.
Rep. Allen Farley, R-McCalla, who is retired from law enforcement, asked Thomm how much money the NRA spends lobbying public officials in Alabama. Thomm said he did not know (http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2017/04/law_enforcement_gun_rights_adv.html) Affiliation:(D) District:House District 68 County:Baldwin County, Clarke County, Conecuh County, Marengo County, Monroe County, Washington County Phone Number:334-242-7738 Fax Number: Street:11 South Union Street Office:Suite 437-D City:Montgomery State:AL Postal Code:36130-2950 Email:[email protected] “Now I see law enforcement sitting around and these are the people who are against it. Why are you for this bill? Personally?” asked Representative Thomas Jackson, D-Baldwin County. Jackson is also the ranking minority member in the Alabama House of Representatives.
“I’m for it…” Sheriff Hale began. “Why are you for it?” interrupted Jackson “I’m for it Mr. Representative because I believe in the second amendment,” said Hale. (http://wiat.com/2017/04/26/public-hearing-house-bill-would-eliminate-need-for-pistol-permits/) Affiliation:(R) District:House District 27 County:Blount County, DeKalb County, Marshall County Phone Number:334-242-7772 Fax Number: Street:11 South Union Street Office:Suite 524-B City:Montgomery State:AL Postal Code:36130-2950 Email:[email protected] REPRESENTATIVE DRAKE, DICKIE Affiliation:(R) District:House District 45 County:Jefferson County, Shelby County Phone Number:334-242-7727 Fax Number: Street:11 South Union Street Office:Suite 528-B City:Montgomery State:AL Postal Code:36130-2950 Email:[email protected] REPRESENTATIVE ENGLAND, CHRIS Affiliation:(D) District:House District 70 County:Tuscaloosa County Phone Number:334-242-7703 Fax Number: Street:11 South Union Street Office:Suite 539-B City:Montgomery State:AL Postal Code:36130-2950 Email:[email protected] Rep. Chris England (D-Tuscaloosa) said if lawmakers reject the bill and Alabama continues to require a permit, that is still in line with the constitution.
"Our supreme court has already said it's not a license to carry whenever, wherever, however or what kind of weapon you want," England told his colleagues. (http://abc3340.com/news/local/police-flood-alabama-capitol-ask-lawmakers-to-keep-concealed-carry-permit-requirement) Affiliation:(R) District:House District 23 County:DeKalb County, Jackson County Phone Number:334-242-7551 Fax Number: Street:11 South Union Street Office:Suite 527-D City:Montgomery State:AL Postal Code:36130-2950 Email:[email protected] REPRESENTATIVE MOORE, MARY Affiliation:(D) District:House District 59 County:Jefferson County Phone Number:334-242-7608 Fax Number: Street:11 South Union Street Office:Suite 539-D City:Montgomery State:AL Postal Code:36130-2950 Email:[email protected] Rep. Mary Moore, D-Birmingham, said the Second Amendment has been wrongly interpreted to grant individual gun rights, when it should only apply to a "well regulated militia." (http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2017/04/law_enforcement_gun_rights_adv.html) Affiliation:(R) District:House District 13 County:Blount County, Walker County Phone Number:334-242-7595 Fax Number: Street:11 South Union Street Office:Suite 537-E City:Montgomery State:AL Postal Code:36130-2950 Email:[email protected] REPRESENTATIVE SHIVER, HARRY Affiliation:(R) District:House District 64 County:Baldwin County, Monroe County Phone Number:334-242-7745 Fax Number: Street:11 South Union Street Office:Suite 526-D City:Montgomery State:AL Postal Code:36130-2950 Email:[email protected] REPRESENTATIVE WHORTON, ISAAC Affiliation:(R) District:House District 38 County:Chambers County, Lee County Phone Number:334-242-7735 Fax Number: Street:11 South Union Street Office:Suite 427-C City:Montgomery State:AL Postal Code:36130-2950 Email:[email protected] The bill is sponsored by Rep. Isaac Whorton, R-Valley. It is similar to a bill that passed the Senate last week, with Republicans supporting it and Democrats opposed.
Committee member Rep. Thomas Jackson, D-Thomasville, asked Whorton why he supported eliminating the permit requirement considering the problems caused by gun violence. "Guns are made to kill," Jackson said. "That's what they're made for. And handguns are made to kill people. You don't go hunting with a handgun." Whorton has noted that if his bill passed it would remain illegal for felons and those convicted of domestic violence to possess a gun. Whorton said those legally eligible to carry a gun should not have to pay a fee for that right (http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2017/04/law_enforcement_gun_rights_adv.html) |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 5:33:26 PM EDT
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Thanks!
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Posted: 5/2/2017 12:34:12 AM EDT
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This week, both House Bill 414 and Senate Bill 24, the constitutional/permitless carry bills, could be considered for a committee vote on Wednesday, May 3. However, Chairman Treadaway has commented that he intends to send the bills to a subcommittee, essentially killing them for the rest of session. It is imperative that you contact Chairman Treadaway and let him know that these bills are a priority for law-abiding gun owners across Alabama, and that he needs to bring them up for a committee vote this Wednesday!
Also, contact the members of the House Public Safety and Homeland Security Committee and urge them to support both SB 24 and HB 414! Click the “Take Action” button below to contact both Chairman Treadaway and the House committee members. TAKE ACTION Both SB 24 and HB 414 would eliminate the requirement to obtain a permit in order to lawfully carry. These bills recognize a law-abiding adult’s unconditional Right to Keep and Bear Arms for self-defense in the manner he or she chooses. Self-defense situations are difficult, if not impossible, to anticipate. Accordingly, a law-abiding adult’s right to defend himself or herself in such situations should not be conditioned by government-mandated time delays and taxes. Again, please click the “Take Action” button above to contact Chairman Treadaway and the committee in members in support of HB 414 and SB 24! |
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Posted: 5/2/2017 11:35:46 PM EDT
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Per Bamacarry it's now stuck in a subcommittee. Tell me, the hell is the point voting GOP when they stab us in the back every goddamned time?
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Posted: 5/3/2017 3:43:36 PM EDT
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Per Bamacarry it's now stuck in a subcommittee. Tell me, the hell is the point voting GOP when they stab us in the back every goddamned time? These guys need to watch out because they will be labeled anti 2A when the local election rolls around. I believe right now is a great time for another party that's? really liberty based to start making headway in Alabama. The Republicans are pissing me off here and in Washington. They keep acting like the democrats. |
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Posted: 5/4/2017 11:06:38 AM EDT
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Good morning Representative Treadway,
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Posted: 5/4/2017 3:45:15 PM EDT
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Bama-Shooter,
I appreciate the email voicing your position on Constitutional Carry. I look forward to establishing a diverse group of Alabamians to study, discuss, and better understand how Alabama's Firearms Laws compare to the rest of the country. This is a very important topic that needs to have input from all areas of our society, not just Law Enforcement and Second Amendment groups. The Sheriffs have not been the strongest voice against Constitutional Carry. It has been Alabama's Police Chiefs. Thank you again for reaching out to me on this very important issue. Best Regards, Allen Farley |
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Posted: 5/4/2017 6:37:40 PM EDT
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Representative Farley,
Thanks for your reply. I'm a <Edit. PERSEC>. |
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Posted: 5/6/2017 1:24:09 AM EDT
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Seriously. Need to have 4th of July rallies in multiple cities to protest them killing the bill again.
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Posted: 5/8/2017 1:41:00 PM EDT
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See sigline.
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