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Posted: 3/22/2016 9:43:36 PM EDT
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Would you mind posting the final passed verbage? I'd like to know what I'm in for come November and so far I haven't had good luck finding specifics on my own. Thanks! http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_30/595452_House_Bill_1231____PASSED.html&page=2#i6596971 
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Posted: 3/23/2016 7:29:10 AM EDT
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There will be much butthurt and gnashing of teeth.
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Posted: 3/26/2016 9:57:14 AM EDT
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There will be much butthurt and gnashing of teeth. I hope not. I also hope that they don't exclude .300BLK. I've heard from a couple non-AR15-owning coworkers that they might buy an AR15 if it is a legal cartridge for hunting. More gun owners with EBRs is always a good thing. |
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Posted: 3/27/2016 4:22:44 PM EDT
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I agree, patience is a virgin. After a few years of nothing bad happening I think they will open deer season to all rifle calibers like they wanted to last year.
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Posted: 3/27/2016 7:41:02 PM EDT
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Sweet. Bambi now has a mid November date with Mr. Garand.
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Posted: 3/29/2016 10:27:06 AM EDT
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I agree, patience is a virgin. After a few years of nothing bad happening I think they will open deer season to all rifle calibers like they wanted to last year. I agree that once they review this set period, this will happen. It can also be assumed that, at that time, the minimum caliber diameter will be .243 with .300 being the maximum. This would eliminate using .338 Lapua, .50 BMG, .416 Barrett etc 
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Posted: 4/4/2016 2:29:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hope not. I also hope that they don't exclude .300BLK. I've heard from a couple non-AR15-owning coworkers that they might buy an AR15 if it is a legal cartridge for hunting. More gun owners with EBRs is always a good thing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There will be much butthurt and gnashing of teeth. I hope not. I also hope that they don't exclude .300BLK. I've heard from a couple non-AR15-owning coworkers that they might buy an AR15 if it is a legal cartridge for hunting. More gun owners with EBRs is always a good thing. |
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Posted: 4/5/2016 1:34:26 PM EDT
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Clarification posted:
Here Holy cow. .243 and .308 bullets and nothing else. 
Here's most of it: The new legal cartridges include, but are not limited to, the .243 Winchester, .30-30 Winchester, .300 AAC Blackout, and .30-06 Springfield. Additional requirements are: • The rifle must have a barrel length of at least 16 inches • The rifle cartridges must have a cartridge case length of least 1.16 inches • The rifle cartridge must fire a bullet with a diameter that is o .243 inches (or 6 mm); or o .308 inches (or 7.62 mm) • No cartridges with a bullet diameter between .243 and .308 are legal (such as the .270 Winchester) • A hunter may not possess more than 10 such cartridges while in the field Rifles with pistol cartridges that have been allowed in previous years may still be used to hunt deer on both private and public land. Additional cartridges that are legal under HEA 1231 include, but are not limited to, the following: • 6mm-06 • 6mm BR Remington • 6mm PPC • 6mm Remington • .240 Weatherby • .243 Winchester • .243 Winchester Super Short Magnum • .30 Carbine • .30 Herrett • .30 Remington AR • .30-06 Springfield • .30-30 Winchester • .30-40 Krag • .300 AAC Blackout (.300 Whisper) • .300 H&H Magnum • .300 Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum • .300 Savage • .300 Weatherby Magnum • .300 Winchester Magnum • .300 Winchester Short Magnum • .300 Remington Ultra Magnum • .308 Marlin • .308 Winchester • 7.62x39mm • 7.62x54mmR There are other cartridges that meet the law’s specifications, and there are others that do not. A partial list of cartridges that are not allowed under HEA 1231 includes the .270 Winchester, .38-55 Winchester, .444 Marlin, and .45-70 Government. |
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Posted: 4/5/2016 3:58:03 PM EDT
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WTF? Nothing in between.
And 300 blk has to be 16". |
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Posted: 4/5/2016 5:03:19 PM EDT
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WTF? Nothing in between. And 300 blk has to be 16".
Yeah, that sucks. My .300blk is 8.5". I guess I could use my Garand Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 4/5/2016 8:59:08 PM EDT
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I might use the Enfield. Just because I can.:)
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Posted: 4/5/2016 9:23:35 PM EDT
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Using a M1 Carbine would be pretty neat.
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Posted: 4/6/2016 7:35:00 AM EDT
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I can't use my .270 so I guess I now have a reason to buy a .300 win mag.
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Posted: 4/6/2016 7:36:30 AM EDT
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It seems the idea was to limit it to 5 cartridges but in typical government fashion the idiots were so clueless they screwed that up and now you have this list.
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Posted: 4/6/2016 2:43:44 PM EDT
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Does this mean that you can use an ar-10 with a 5 round mag?
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Posted: 4/6/2016 3:37:29 PM EDT
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The way I read it, you can use an AR-10 with a 30 round mag, as long as it's shooting one of those cartridges and you only have 10 rounds on you. It doesn't say anything about mag size.
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Does this mean that you can use an ar-10 with a 5 round mag? |
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Posted: 4/6/2016 3:54:40 PM EDT
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Is 6mm remington considered 6.8spc??????? plz plz plz
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Posted: 4/6/2016 4:48:02 PM EDT
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No it is not. The 6mm Remington is .243 caliber and is the same cartridge as the .244 Remington (different barrel twist). The 6.8 is not .243/6mm or .308/7.62 caliber so it is not allowed. Can you imagine the poor game warden trying to enforce these laws.
However, I am really glad this is happening. IMO when the DNR tried to get almost all rifles in last year and it was voted down, they came up with this plan. And once it is in place for 4 years and not a bunch of stupid stuff happens, we'll see them open it up to almost all rifle rounds like they wanted to last year. We just need to pipe down and bide or time. It's coming. And they say, "includes but not limited to..." so there you have it, pretty much any .243/6mm or any .308/7.62 cartridge. That means my .30 HRT is in, the 6.5 x 43 and .338 GRRR is not. |
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Posted: 4/6/2016 11:10:53 PM EDT
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The amount of derp I've all ready heard about this new law is amazing.
Had a guy tell me today that the new law is for single shots only and no lever action, bolts, or semi autos are allowed. I said could you show me that in the law that was signed in. He, of course, couldn't find it or admit he was full of it. I will just keep using the 458 Socom until I can use my 6.8spc. |
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Posted: 4/7/2016 2:19:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No it is not. The 6mm Remington is .243 caliber and is the same cartridge as the .244 Remington (different barrel twist). The 6.8 is not .243/6mm or .308/7.62 caliber so it is not allowed. Can you imagine the poor game warden trying to enforce these laws. However, I am really glad this is happening. IMO when the DNR tried to get almost all rifles in last year and it was voted down, they came up with this plan. And once it is in place for 4 years and not a bunch of stupid stuff happens, we'll see them open it up to almost all rifle rounds like they wanted to last year. We just need to pipe down and bide or time. It's coming. And they say, "includes but not limited to..." so there you have it, pretty much any .243/6mm or any .308/7.62 cartridge. That means my .30 HRT is in, the 6.5 x 43 and .338 GRRR is not. The DNR did not introduce this bill. It came from a state legislator. If it had gone through the best available channels like last year it would not have passed. Instead it was brought about by a legislator and most hunters had no clue it was on the table until it was too late to comment or notify their legislator. I see both sides of the argument, but I also know how sparse the deer herd is where I live due to overhunting. This will absolutely do more damage. |
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Posted: 4/7/2016 3:46:54 PM EDT
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Here's how it went down last year:
The DNR, after 8 years of pistol caliber rifles without a single accident (we've had several slug gun shootings in that time), decided to propose any rifle .243" or larger for deer. Some say that the proposal was due to hunter petitions, which is a moot point anyway, as the DNR only advances proposals that it wants to the public comment phase. Just last month at its meeting, it turned down two citizen petitions and advanced one (baiting). The DNR stated in writing last year that after examining the issue, it determined that rifles posed no safety issues, nor any adverse effects on the herd. It defined the rifle proposal as a social issue only. Public comment was pretty evenly split amongst proponents and opponents. The Natural Resources Commission (NRC), which is comprised of unelected members who do not answer to the general public, recommended that the DNR not pass the proposal. The DNR then simply pulled the issue without rejecting it, with the intent of studying the issue more. Fast forward to this year. State Representative Arnold introduced H.B. 1231. It has been said that he had a petition in his possession with over 1100 pro-rifle signatures, along with the personal desire to hunt deer with rifles himself. I've heard that Rep. Arnold has close ties with the DNR, and even does legislative work for them. Supposedly the DNR coached this bill along. I, however, cannot substantiate any of that. Then the NRA got involved, and the deal was sealed. 122-17 was the total vote of both chambers. |
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Posted: 4/8/2016 11:25:29 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/28/2016 7:22:16 PM EDT
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I hope not. I also hope that they don't exclude .300BLK. I've heard from a couple non-AR15-owning coworkers that they might buy an AR15 if it is a legal cartridge for hunting. More gun owners with EBRs is always a good thing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There will be much butthurt and gnashing of teeth. I hope not. I also hope that they don't exclude .300BLK. I've heard from a couple non-AR15-owning coworkers that they might buy an AR15 if it is a legal cartridge for hunting. More gun owners with EBRs is always a good thing. Small update: One of my coworkers walked in last week with a BCI stripped lower and asked, "what else do I need?" He ended up buying a stock kit from Bravo Company, as well as an Aero Precision LPK and complete upper in .300BLK. He isn't sure which way he wants to go with optics yet, but we're working on it. I'm going to lend him a couple of mine to see what he likes most. One more Hoosier with an EBR! edit: he's asking about suppressors now. We've got another one on our side! Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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