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Posted: 2/6/2016 4:46:50 PM EDT
House Bill 1231 allows for rifles .243 and larger to be used for deer on private ground here in Indiana and has already passed out of committee 11-0 and the House 91-0. The next step is the Senate, then the Governor.
We have a little opposition. http://kpcnews.com/columnists/don_mulligan/outdoors/article_a68cb8f3-db8c-599c-9eeb-0e3d554fa466.html EDIT: The first reading in the Senate Natural Resources Committee was today. Please use the link below to contact each member and ask that they support this bill (assuming you want it to pass). http://iga.in.gov/legislative/2016/committees/natural_resources |
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Don is being Don again I see. Guess spouting BS gets them readers, only reason I can figure out he even has a place to spew his garbage. No problem with the inclusion of HPR's; although I have to admit I don't like the Legislature getting involved though..........oops that's Don's position as well.......hmmmmm.
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Wow. I just may get to use my NIB Savage .308 for deer hunting after all!
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The first reading in the Senate Natural Resources Committee was today. Please use the link below to contact each member and ask that they support this bill (assuming you want it to pass).
http://iga.in.gov/legislative/2016/committees/natural_resources |
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I'm not a hunter, but I fully support this bill and I have contacted my reps.
Now, who is douche Mulligan and what's got his panties in a knot? |
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Thanks, Dan.
Mulligan writes an outdoor column and is always complaining about issues. |
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Here is my message posted on the website in the OP:
I've lived in many states and worked in several others. No where have I heard the term 'high powered rifle' more than in Indiana. Hoosiers seem to have a cultural fear of the centerfire rifle. Why, I don't know.
It's interesting to note that Kentucky deer hunters afield in similar topography and population density just on the other side of a river from their Hoosier buddies are safely using HPR's. Why isn't the world coming to an end in the Bluegrass State? We were warned from the Chicken Little's of impending disaster when pistol cartridge rifles were allowed. Didn't happen (yet), right? There are two fundamental issues here: 1) People like the Don Mulligan's of the world want to limit competition in the field. That imperative is as old as hunting itself. Less efficient methods of harvesting deer means there are more deer for the other hunters. 2) The Mulligan's don't trust the rest of us to use our weapons safely. Unfortunately hunting is not 100% accident free. Every year there is at least one accident with a firearm. So maybe the answer is no firearms at all. The dedicated bow hunters would love that outcome. Well, I have a message for you guys: 'No risk, no reward.' Life isn't lived by covering ourselves in bubble wrap. I'll take Mulligan's advice and call my legislator. I'll ask him if he trusts me to reponsibly hunt deer on my 43 acres with the same rifle I shoot coyotes. If he says yes, I'll encourage him to support the proposed rule. View Quote |
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HB 1231 will be heard by the Senate Natural Resources Committee on Monday, February 22, at 9:00 AM in Room 130.
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The bill passed the Senate committee with two amendments:
1. Southern Indiana only. 2. Hunter must be elevated at least 10 feet off the ground. EDIT: Everything south of this border: Highway 36 from Western indiana to Marion County, then southern border of Marion County, then Highway 40 to eastern side of state is the boundary line. View Quote |
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Well, that sucks. I guess I won't need to work on getting my rifle ready.
Whoever thought up those amendments is a dumbass. It passed the house 91-0. It was pretty much a no brainer, but they just had to screw it up. Edited for spelling |
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Quoted: The bill passed the Senate committee with two amendments: 1. Southern Indiana only. 2. Hunter must be elevated at least 10 feet off the ground. EDIT: Everything south of this border: View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: The bill passed the Senate committee with two amendments: 1. Southern Indiana only. 2. Hunter must be elevated at least 10 feet off the ground. EDIT: Everything south of this border: Highway 36 from Western indiana to Marion County, then southern border of Marion County, then Highway 40 to eastern side of state is the boundary line. |
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Well those amendments are good and bad to me. The line they used really messes me up because I hunt just north of the 40 but south of 36 on the west side. Therefore I won't be able to use the new rifle calibers.
Hunting 10 feet or above would be no problem because I hunt tree stand at all times. |
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An amendment was filed yesterday to allow rifle hunting to be statewide, rather than just in the southern half.
The second reading in the Senate will be sometime this afternoon. |
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The second reading had been postponed until Monday, February 29.
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Now the CO's have to carry tape measures in the field? Maybe they already have them to measure fish.
The floors of my elevated blinds are 8 ft. off the ground. The elevation of my rifle, even sitting down, should be at least 24 inches from the floor. Will I be legal? |
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I heard that there is an amendment to remove the 10-foot clause. I guess we shall see.
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http://iga.in.gov/legislative/2016/bills/house/1231#document-92de30fb
Scheduled for final vote today. They have it all messed up with amendments, and have it reading state ground only. Lol! |
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If they pass that cluster maybe they can straighten it out when they reconcile the 2 versions; if not I hope it dies.
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Looks like it passed with the 10 foot rule in place. That sucks. I'm too old to be climbing trees with a tree stand and I'm not too crazy about building a permanent tree stand. So if you hunt public property then you have to use a climber and if you are disabled and cannot use a tree stand, what then? Sucks to be you I guess. I wonder if the Disabilities Act could get that part thrown out?
So, you can use your Encore with a .44 magnum from the ground but not your Marlin LA .44 magnum. Brilliant, simply freaking brilliant. I am mixed about the 10 round rule since the mags I use won't hold more than 7 of the cartridges I hunt with anyway, but I still don't like it. I do like the purple blaze though to mark your property to no hunting. I have put us signs quite a few times and they are either torn down or the wind blows them down. I think it is mostly the wind blowing them down since the signs are just laying there and I have never seen hunters on my small plot of land, but the purple blaze makes marking the boundaries a LOT easier. I really do not like the 16 inch barrel rule. I have been hunting for years now with my SBRs which were totally legal. I guess not anymore. Damn the luck. If I am reading it correctly, it puts in a provision that allows the use of the 10mm round (and the .40 S&W round I assume) for deer hunting? Sure reads that way to me. I guess the best we can hope for is that since this is a 4 season limit before re-evaluation, that we can at a later time get the 10 foot rule thrown out and SBRs put back in. |
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The 10' rule was removed before passage. I have no idea why the bill says a rifle must have a 16"+ barrel. Regardless, until we get that changed, you can still deer hunt with an SBR chambered in a "pistol" caliber
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so in laymans terms... when do they finally put pen to paper making this a law?
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It passed out of conference Friday in the following form:
1. Statewide 2. Private ground only 3. .243 Win,.30-30 Win,.300 (Win Mag, I would assume), .30-06 Springfield, and .308 Win only. 4. Four year sunset to evaluate the effects of legalizing them 5. Legalizes handguns shooting 10MM bullets 6. NO treestand requirement It is my understanding that both chambers have to pass the conference version. This year's session ends March 14, so we should know pretty soon. The bill now has the backing of the NRA. |
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Well, it looks like i keep using my Blackout pistol. I was hoping it would stay at .243 or larger. I don't at the moment have any of the calibers listed. I could do a 6.5, or 7-08, or a .270, or several others. That's what I get for being drawn to the odd cartridges.
Unless the .300 was intended to be 300 blackout. Then I could use my Blackout pistol. Oh, wait..... |
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I would like like to see HPR's added but I'm to the point with this cluster that I would rather it just die and keep the whole issue out of the politicians hands. This is a great microcosm of how politicians totally screw up this country.
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I've got a feeling that this is the last shot at getting high-powered rifles legalized for deer, so I'll gladly take it as written. I highly doubt that the DNR will ever propose it again.
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The fact they are limiting the choice to five calibers is so stupid that it boggles the imagination. It gives proof to the old saying, "The two things you don't want to watch being made are sausage and laws."
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So the bill that passed on to the governor requires you to be 10' up to use a centerfire rifle in one of the 5 bullet sizes?
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Has anyone got a link to the version that is to be signed? The bill I am looking at, called the 'latest version,' does not have any of the specific caliber stuff, the 10 foot rule is still there, and so is the mag limit. I cannot for the life of me find this supposed bill that names only a few calibers or removed tree stand rule. Thank you for a link.
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I posted the final version above four posts down from the top of this page.
On the bill's page, you have to look at the committee report for now. https://iga.in.gov/legislative/2016/bills/house/1231#document-08d343ce |
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HOUSE ENROLLED ACT No. 1231
AN ACT to amend the Indiana Code concerning natural and cultural resources. Be it enacted by the General Assembly of the State of Indiana: SECTION 1. IC 14-22-2-8 IS ADDED TO THE INDIANA CODE AS A NEW SECTION TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE UPON PASSAGE]: Sec. 8. (a) This section applies to a hunting season beginning after June 30, 2016, and ending before January 1, 2020. (b) A hunter may use a rifle during the firearms season to hunt deer subject to the following: (1) The use of a rifle is permitted only on privately owned land. (2) The rifle must have a barrel length of at least sixteen (16) inches. (3) The rifle must be chambered for one (1) of the following cartridges: (A) .243. (B) .30-30. (C) .300. (D) .30-06. (E) .308. (4) A hunter may not possess more than ten (10) cartridges for the rifle while hunting deer under this section. (5) The rifle must meet any other requirements established by the department. (c) The use of a full metal jacketed bullet to hunt deer is unlawful. (d) The department shall report on the impact of the use of rifles to hunt deer under this section to the governor and, in an electronic format under IC 5-14-6, the general assembly before February 15, 2020. (e) This section expires June 30, 2020. SECTION 2. IC 14-22-2-9 IS ADDED TO THE INDIANA CODE AS A NEW SECTION TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE UPON PASSAGE]: Sec. 9. (a) This section applies to a hunting season beginning after June 30, 2016. (b) Notwithstanding any rule prescribing the minimum length of a handgun cartridge case, a hunter may use a handgun that fires a commercially available bullet of ten (10) millimeters in diameter to hunt deer. (c) The use of a handgun described in subsection (b) to hunt deer is subject to the rules: (1) requiring that the handgun conform to the requirements of IC 35-47-1-6; (2) prescribing the minimum barrel length of the handgun; and (3) prohibiting the use of full metal jacketed bullets. (d) The director shall amend any rule necessary to comply with this section. SECTION 3. An emergency is declared for this act. |
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Are these new rules on top of the ones that we presently use now. So we could still use 458 socom and 375 socom for instance?
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OK, thanks for that link, but now you confuse me even more. Maybe I am having a senior moment (hell, senior year) but you say these are the new rules yet the new rules clearly state only those named cartridges are allowed, then you said in the post above this that one can still use the .458S and .375S. Explain how that can be please.
Maybe we just ought to wait until the final bill is passed and posted because all this talking about it confuses me even more. Wait a minute, it just occurred to me that these may be the ONLY rounds LONGER than 1.800 inches allowed, therefore, the other 1.800 or shorter (1.15 or longer) rounds are still IN but the ONLY rounds longer than 1.800 are the above 5 named. Now that makes a little more since. I wish they had left the purple slash in but I can live without that. The main thing is to get rid of that blasted 10' rule. Sure, an old man like me with bad knees is going to get out my climbing tree stand again. Yah, sure I am. |
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I see .300 as allowing anything .300. They didn't specify if it was .300 blackout or win mag (from what you posted), but I am no lawyer.
Brick |
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I am sure that the DNR will provide specific cartridge information. Only a politician could come up with this stuff.
Based on the other approved cartridge list, I am guessing they mean 300 win mag only and will specify that at a later date. |
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Damn, I was getting my hopes up that I would be able to hunt with my .277 Wolverine. Oh well, might just tune up the old 30-30 or .300 Savage.
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I see .300 as allowing anything .300. They didn't specify if it was .300 blackout or win mag (from what you posted), but I am no lawyer. Brick View Quote The Legislature meets one day a year after the session to fix any confusing language in bills, so specific cartridges will be named at that time. THE BILL WAS SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR TODAY AND IS NOW LAW. |
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The Legislature meets one day a year after the session to fix any confusing language in bills, so specific cartridges will be named at that time. THE BILL WAS SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR TODAY AND IS NOW LAW. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I see .300 as allowing anything .300. They didn't specify if it was .300 blackout or win mag (from what you posted), but I am no lawyer. Brick The Legislature meets one day a year after the session to fix any confusing language in bills, so specific cartridges will be named at that time. THE BILL WAS SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR TODAY AND IS NOW LAW. Would you mind posting the final passed verbage? I'd like to know what I'm in for come November and so far I haven't had good luck finding specifics on my own. Thanks! |
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