User Panel
Posted: 9/3/2014 8:13:25 PM EDT
http://www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/2362.htm
The most interesting proposal is legalizing high-powered rifles .243" or greater for deer. If adopted, they'll probably take effect next year in 2015. |
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I don't hunt with rifles, bow only, but its about time, too bad my buddy just dropped a huge amount on a WSSM upper that is indiana deer legal
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I sure as hell hope they do this, even though I just dropped major cash on a .357 bore suppressor. I'll keep it and buy a MODERN FUCKING RIFLE to shoot deer with instead of slug guns, PCR's, or God knows what. My condolences to the people that dropped gobs of money on an Indiana specific cartridge. The bottom is going to drop out of that market.
They've mixed up their formatting, here's how the firearm section should be layed out: •Allows additional rifles to be used by reducing the bullet size required to .243 and eliminating the maximum rifle cartridge case length. This will allow high-powered rifles such as the .30-30 and .45-70 during the deer firearms seasons. Full metal jacketed bullets would be unlawful because since they do not expand when fired, and therefore, do not kill as humanely. The DNR believes this change can be made at this time for the following reasons: •There are currently no limits on rifles that are legal to use for species other than migratory birds, deer, and wild turkey. •Muzzleloaders have evolved to the point that with smokeless powder (which is legal to use), they are essentially a high-powered rifle (accurate 500 yard gun). •They are legal in several nearby states, including Kentucky, Michigan (the northern part of the state), and Pennsylvania. There has not been an increase in hunting-related accidents as the result of the use of rifles, both in Indiana and in several other states where they are allowed. •There isn’t a need to limit the equipment that can be used to take deer in order to manage the deer herd. The deer harvest was a record in 2012, and the DNR is managing the deer herd through other means. •Rifle cartridges that fire a bullet at least .243 in diameter and have a minimum case length of 1.16 inches long can safely and humanely kill white-tailed deer |
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I held off on investing in a .358 of some kind as I sort of suspected this would happen.
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Well hell that would mean my 458 would not be as fun anymore. Also my dads 358 wouldn't be either.
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What good is a Ruger 77/44 in Indiana if it's not used for deer hunting?
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Wildcats are still fun. My .358 HDH will still kill a deer out to 350 yards or more even if the common place commercial rounds are legalized. And even though the .45-70 will be rifle legal, I'll still be toting the .458 SOCOM instead of the 1895.
Good things have been happening in Indiana for quite some time, first limited rifles, then suppressors, and now all rifles. Good to see these changes happening. |
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So does anyone have any info about the September 16th meeting??
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Good things have been happening in Indiana for quite some time, first limited rifles, then suppressors, and now all rifles. Good to see these changes happening. View Quote Now, if only someone would breed a pheasant, quail, or grouse that could be fruitful and multiply in Indiana's habitat, we'd have more use for our shotguns (and dogs). |
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Now, if only someone would breed a pheasant, quail, or grouse that could be fruitful and multiply in Indiana's habitat, we'd have more use for our shotguns (and dogs). View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Good things have been happening in Indiana for quite some time, first limited rifles, then suppressors, and now all rifles. Good to see these changes happening. Now, if only someone would breed a pheasant, quail, or grouse that could be fruitful and multiply in Indiana's habitat, we'd have more use for our shotguns (and dogs). I live 2 miles from the Lost River game farm. My pasture is full of quail and we are seeing pheasants every once in a while. I am assuming that they came from the game farm. |
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Quoted: I think that is all just a formality at this point. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Next is the public comment period, public hearings etc. I think that is all just a formality at this point. |
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Lost River Game Farm charges one hunter $75 to take 10 quail. How much do you charge? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I live 2 miles from the Lost River game farm. My pasture is full of quail and we are seeing pheasants every once in a while. I am assuming that they came from the game farm. Lost River Game Farm charges one hunter $75 to take 10 quail. How much do you charge? I found out the president of the local cattlemens association has been releasing hundreds of them a few miles away too. |
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They should have made it any .22 caliber or larger, center fire round.
Brick |
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They should have made it any .22 caliber or larger, center fire round. Brick View Quote A lot of states that allow centerfire rifles for deer don't allow .22 calibers, so I wasn't shocked when Indiana proposed .243" or larger to match the current handgun regulations. My coworker was complaining about the same thing last night, as he owns a .220 Swift, a .22-250, and a .223. |
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When I lived in KY it was .243 or larger. Now it has been changed to ANY centerfire .22 or larger. We need to be patient and it will get there.
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If this new reg does go into effect, anyone think the DNR might open some of the state properties up to coyote hunting since the use of rifle calibers won't be a big deal? I have two great pieces real close to me, but they don't allow hunting coyote, only trapping.
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Quoted: If this new reg does go into effect, anyone think the DNR might open some of the state properties up to coyote hunting since the use of rifle calibers won't be a big deal? I have two great pieces real close to me, but they don't allow hunting coyote, only trapping. View Quote |
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As a native Hoosier, I'm thrilled for y'all that this is finally going to be a reality. It might even be enough to get me to visit my inlaws during Christmas...and sneak in a whitetail hunt while I'm there.
Congrats guys, this is awesome news! |
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As a native Hoosier, I'm thrilled for y'all that this is finally going to be a reality. It might even be enough to get me to visit my inlaws during Christmas...and sneak in a whitetail hunt while I'm there. Congrats guys, this is awesome news! View Quote A Christmas visit would be late archery season & right at the tail end of muzzleloader season .... If you want to hunt with high-power you would have to do a Thanksgiving visit... Of course that assumes this all goes through and starts next season... |
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A Christmas visit would be late archery season & right at the tail end of muzzleloader season .... If you want to hunt with high-power you would have to do a Thanksgiving visit... Of course that assumes this all goes through and starts next season... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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As a native Hoosier, I'm thrilled for y'all that this is finally going to be a reality. It might even be enough to get me to visit my inlaws during Christmas...and sneak in a whitetail hunt while I'm there. Congrats guys, this is awesome news! A Christmas visit would be late archery season & right at the tail end of muzzleloader season .... If you want to hunt with high-power you would have to do a Thanksgiving visit... Of course that assumes this all goes through and starts next season... Or hunt in a county that has an antlerless quota of 4 or greater. Indiana has a late season firearms antlerless season that occurs at Christmas time, but only in those counties. |
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If these new laws pass would we be able to hunt with say a 6.8 SBR w/suppressor then?
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That isn't a SBR though is it? I want an actual short barreled rifle w/ suppressor. Would this be legal? 8 am trying to find out now in hopes of getting stamps before next season.
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It would be legal; no rifle barrel length restrictions in the proposal.
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Currently a 6.8 would be legal if it was chambered in a pistol. Has the issue of an AR pistol with a Sig SB15 brace been addressed yet?
I realize if this law passes it won't matter anymore, just curious if there has been an official decision on the matter yet since an AR pistol with the brace is still legally a pistol. |
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Has the issue of an AR pistol with a Sig SB15 brace been addressed yet? Haven't heard a peep about it. Indiana law defines a handgun as any firearm with a barrel less than 16", which would include SBRs and AR pistols. SBRs, however, are specifically not considered handguns despite that definition when being used for deer hunting. Since they don't recognize an SBR as a pistol under that definition I was curious if the AR pistol with the Sig brace had been either confirmed or denied pistol status for the purposes of deer hunting (think 10.5" 300BLK AR pistol with a Sig brace being shoulder fired at a deer). If the new law passes it won't matter, of course, I was just curious. |
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Quoted: Indiana law defines a handgun as any firearm with a barrel less than 16", which would include SBRs and AR pistols. SBRs, however, are specifically not considered handguns despite that definition when being used for deer hunting. Since they don't recognize an SBR as a pistol under that definition I was curious if the AR pistol with the Sig brace had been either confirmed or denied pistol status for the purposes of deer hunting (think 10.5" 300BLK AR pistol with a Sig brace being shoulder fired at a deer). If the new law passes it won't matter, of course, I was just curious. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Has the issue of an AR pistol with a Sig SB15 brace been addressed yet? Haven't heard a peep about it. Indiana law defines a handgun as any firearm with a barrel less than 16", which would include SBRs and AR pistols. SBRs, however, are specifically not considered handguns despite that definition when being used for deer hunting. Since they don't recognize an SBR as a pistol under that definition I was curious if the AR pistol with the Sig brace had been either confirmed or denied pistol status for the purposes of deer hunting (think 10.5" 300BLK AR pistol with a Sig brace being shoulder fired at a deer). If the new law passes it won't matter, of course, I was just curious. It's a pistol. It doesn't need any special status. Just like a 6" revolver fired from the shoulder is still a pistol. |
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It's a pistol. It doesn't need any special status. Just like a 6" revolver fired from the shoulder is still a pistol. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Has the issue of an AR pistol with a Sig SB15 brace been addressed yet? Haven't heard a peep about it. Indiana law defines a handgun as any firearm with a barrel less than 16", which would include SBRs and AR pistols. SBRs, however, are specifically not considered handguns despite that definition when being used for deer hunting. Since they don't recognize an SBR as a pistol under that definition I was curious if the AR pistol with the Sig brace had been either confirmed or denied pistol status for the purposes of deer hunting (think 10.5" 300BLK AR pistol with a Sig brace being shoulder fired at a deer). If the new law passes it won't matter, of course, I was just curious. It's a pistol. It doesn't need any special status. Just like a 6" revolver fired from the shoulder is still a pistol. By Indiana code my 10.5" 300 BLK SBR is also a pistol, but I cannot hunt with it. I can put the upper on one of my pistol lowers and hunt with it, but my pistol lowers now have SB-15 braces on them. The SB-15 is different since it is not designed to be shoulder fired, but I don't assume the government will see things the same way I do. I was curious if the issue had come up. I don't believe it has yet. |
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The handgun must not be a rifle that has a barrel less than 18" or be designed or redesigned to be fired from the shoulder.
Damned govt doublespeak |
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Quoted: By Indiana code my 10.5" 300 BLK SBR is also a pistol, but I cannot hunt with it. I can put the upper on one of my pistol lowers and hunt with it, but my pistol lowers now have SB-15 braces on them. The SB-15 is different since it is not designed to be shoulder fired, but I don't assume the government will see things the same way I do. I was curious if the issue had come up. I don't believe it has yet. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Haven't heard a peep about it. Indiana law defines a handgun as any firearm with a barrel less than 16", which would include SBRs and AR pistols. SBRs, however, are specifically not considered handguns despite that definition when being used for deer hunting. Since they don't recognize an SBR as a pistol under that definition I was curious if the AR pistol with the Sig brace had been either confirmed or denied pistol status for the purposes of deer hunting (think 10.5" 300BLK AR pistol with a Sig brace being shoulder fired at a deer). If the new law passes it won't matter, of course, I was just curious. It's a pistol. It doesn't need any special status. Just like a 6" revolver fired from the shoulder is still a pistol. By Indiana code my 10.5" 300 BLK SBR is also a pistol, but I cannot hunt with it. I can put the upper on one of my pistol lowers and hunt with it, but my pistol lowers now have SB-15 braces on them. The SB-15 is different since it is not designed to be shoulder fired, but I don't assume the government will see things the same way I do. I was curious if the issue had come up. I don't believe it has yet. Probably because your SBR is designed to be fired from your shoulder. A pistol (even with a sig brace) is not. |
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I'll be glad to use the old 30.30 again. It's been waiting patiently for about 26 years since I moved out of MI.
Side bar: MI claims to want tourists but the sport license prices for out of staters is outrageous. |
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I'll be glad to use the old 30.30 again. It's been waiting patiently for about 26 years since I moved out of MI. Side bar: MI claims to want tourists but the sport license prices for out of staters is outrageous. View Quote I sold my Marlin 336C in .35 Remington when I moved to IN from MI in 1987. Wish I had that one back now. |
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