 Volt777 
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Posted: 7/31/2012 3:09:48 AM
[Last Edit: 7/31/2012 3:09:48 AM by dragunov]
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT I have had only good experience so far with the D.C. gun registry, but they have specifically banned: (IV) A semiautomatic, rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following: (aa) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon; (bb) A thumbhole stock; (cc) A folding or telescoping stock; (dd) A grenade launcher or flare launcher; (ee) A flash suppressor; or (ff) A forward pistol grip; –––––––– (aa) All AK series including, but not limited to, the models identified as follows: (1) Made in China AK, AKM, AKS, AK47, AK47S, 56, 56S, 84S, and 86S; (2) Norinco (all models); (3) Poly Technologies (all models); (4) MAADI AK47 and ARM; and (5) Mitchell (all models). ––––––––––- It appears to me that a VEPR hunter in .308 should be fine as per the section (IV) guidelines, but I am not sure if it is considered an "ak series." Any help with this issue would be appreciated, would hate to buy this rifle for here and then have to ship it back home! |
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Posted: 7/29/2012 11:26:38 PM
The VEPR is definitely an AK, it just has a heavier barrel and receiver. Plus, I don't think it would comply with Section IV (bb), since it has a thumbhole stock.
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Posted: 7/29/2012 11:29:21 PM
Originally Posted By HWI: I don't think it would comply with Section IV (bb), since it has a thumbhole stock. He is talking about the Hunter, which lacks the thumbhole stock. |
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Posted: 7/29/2012 11:42:27 PM
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California defined a vepr as an ak series weapon.
That text looks like the Cali law verbatim
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Posted: 7/30/2012 12:14:45 AM
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If you're talking about this below, I don't think that's readily convertible to a pistol grip configuration.
Legally, I don't see any difference between this and a Remington 7400. |
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Posted: 7/30/2012 2:09:28 AM
Originally Posted By Liquidmetal:
Originally Posted By HWI:
I don't think it would comply with Section IV (bb), since it has a thumbhole stock. He is talking about the Hunter, which lacks the thumbhole stock. Ah gotcha, I hadn't seen a VEPR w/o a thumbhole stock. |
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Posted: 7/30/2012 6:51:45 AM
Originally Posted By Volt777: It appears to me that a VEPR hunter in .308 should be fine as per the section (IV) guidelines Looks fine to me as well, but I'm hardly an authority on the subject. |
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Posted: 7/30/2012 8:13:10 AM
It's a total load of crap, but this will get you:
"(aa) All AK series including, but not limited to" They can use that "but not limited to" to cover ANY rifle with an AK action.... So well there is no practical difference between that and, as mentioned, A rem 7400, a Vepr if it gets inside the beltway or crosses the line into California, will go on uncontrollable killing sprees while the Rem 7400 would mount itself on the mantle above a fireplace. Sort of like, as far as I know, no vertical foregrip has ever killed anyone, but apparently all the politicans in DC and Cali are scared to death of them.... |
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Posted: 7/30/2012 5:54:51 PM
it has a completely different trigger system, I would think that would make it not an ak system.
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Posted: 7/30/2012 9:13:35 PM
[Last Edit: 7/30/2012 9:15:42 PM by Volt777]
Thanks for all the input so far.
Murooka, that is exactly the model/stock I was referring to. While I would certainly enjoy hearing some more opinions on this issue, it looks like there is some agreement that it is indeed an AK. I'll wait a few more days to gather any other info I can on this forum and then will probably have to have a discussion with one of the metro officers before I commit to buy a VEPR. Maybe the trigger change is enough to make a case for it. I should make it clear that I have very limited experience with any AK pattern weapon, so explanations in layman's terms are appreciated. So far, my experience has been that the D.C. police in charge of the gun registry have been very professional. However, the assumption that D.C. is following the California rules is mostly accurate as far as I have seen. The emergency gun laws that have been created seem to be just as confusing to them as they are to me. I have been able to debate about the legality of a firearm in the past, so with a compelling enough argument maybe I can make it happen. Some of the bans/regulations seem quite arbitrary to me as well, but I guess I accepted that fate when I decided to move here. I am thankful for all the help! edit: Somewhat new to this forum, would it have been better to post this in the general AK discussion? |
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Posted: 7/30/2012 10:20:06 PM
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Posted: 7/30/2012 10:27:56 PM
I feel dirty for having looked at that. So glad I don't live in that fucked up state. |
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Posted: 8/1/2012 11:51:42 AM
Originally Posted By Liquidmetal:
I feel dirty for having looked at that. So glad I don't live in that fucked up state. I believe D.C. relies on the CA list for definitions. OP: on page 58 of the above linked document, you find reference to the "Valmet Hunter Rifle" as a banned "assault weapon." It refers to the Valmet M88 Hunter, which you can see at the bottom of this Valmet page: http://www.valmetweapons.com/Valmet_Rifles.html I think you are out of luck in D.C. Sorry. |
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Posted: 8/1/2012 2:03:54 PM
Originally Posted By Volt777:
(IV) A semiautomatic, rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine. Doesnt this andwer the question or am I missing something? |
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Posted: 8/1/2012 2:40:49 PM
[Last Edit: 8/1/2012 2:42:12 PM by CBR900]
Originally Posted By BDBLKTA:
Originally Posted By Volt777:
(IV) A semiautomatic, rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine. Doesnt this andwer the question or am I missing something? Missing something. Has to have detach. mag and at least ONE feature from list, plus not be on banned list. That Remy semi (7600??) would probably be OK in D.C. once you cleared all the red tape. So would some Mini 14s. |
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Posted: 8/1/2012 7:02:10 PM
Thanks for clearing that up. Just need to learn to read.
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