 thedoctors308
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Posted: 8/1/2010 5:10:12 PM
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Posted: 8/1/2010 5:20:19 PM
Originally Posted By thedoctors308:
Awesome. I hate dealing with the MSP - regardless of whether it is in an official or unofficial capacity.  I hear ya, My form 1 I had them sign off on took 1 month to get back to me, and luckily the second one (form 4) only took 2 weeks. Not sure what county you live in, but on the MD Shooters website I have read a few posts from guys in Carroll and Frederick counties that say their sheriffs will sign off as well. |
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Posted: 11/13/2010 6:01:31 PM
Originally Posted By GoufCustom:
Does anyone know the CLEO in St. Mary;s County, Southern MD? Are there more than one, and should I try to go to a specific one? Looking to get a Supressor and my first SBR. +1 lookin to get a form one sgned |
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Posted: 2/20/2011 4:52:29 PM
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I am a LEO in MD, but I live in a different county than the one I work. That means I cant get my own Chief to sign off as CLEO. Can I have someone I work with complete the fingerprint cards then mail the whole thing to MSP? Or drive it down to AACo headquarters and drop it off for Chief Teare to sign off. |
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Posted: 2/26/2013 11:08:20 AM
Originally Posted By S197Shelby:
Question: I am a LEO in MD, but I live in a different county than the one I work. That means I cant get my own Chief to sign off as CLEO. Can I have someone I work with complete the fingerprint cards then mail the whole thing to MSP? Or drive it down to AACo headquarters and drop it off for Chief Teare to sign off. Just type up a trust. So much easier and no prints, pics, or CLEO sign off. Just mail it all in. Most people think you need a lawyer for it, you don't. I'm sure you can find examples online and copy them. Some gun stores will help you write it up. Also with a trust you can add Trustee's (family members, friends, exc) that can legally be in possesion of the regulated item. |
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jrzy
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Posted: 2/26/2013 4:48:16 PM
Originally Posted By Sgposin: Just a word of caution:Originally Posted By S197Shelby: Question: I am a LEO in MD, but I live in a different county than the one I work. That means I cant get my own Chief to sign off as CLEO. Can I have someone I work with complete the fingerprint cards then mail the whole thing to MSP? Or drive it down to AACo headquarters and drop it off for Chief Teare to sign off. Just type up a trust. So much easier and no prints, pics, or CLEO sign off. Just mail it all in. Most people think you need a lawyer for it, you don't. I'm sure you can find examples online and copy them. Some gun stores will help you write it up. Also with a trust you can add Trustee's (family members, friends, exc) that can legally be in possesion of the regulated item. Trusts have to be accurate and prepared properly for the Trust laws in the state you reside in. Just because a trust has worked for someone online it does not mean it was done correctly. An improperly prepared trust can get by an examiner of the first or second buy or build and maybe discovered to be void on a third one and there for the first 2 NFA weapons would have been transferred illegally. It has already happened where the ATF made a mistake and approved a form 1 on a trust and then later discovered it was improper for that state. Luckily they didn't press the issue and only had the person redue the trust. Ask yourself this, if the ATF makes a mistake and approves a faulty trust do you think they would admit a mistake or do you think they might go full retard? |
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Posted: 2/27/2013 11:18:01 AM
Originally Posted By jrzy:
Originally Posted By Sgposin:
Just a word of caution:
Originally Posted By S197Shelby:
Question: I am a LEO in MD, but I live in a different county than the one I work. That means I cant get my own Chief to sign off as CLEO. Can I have someone I work with complete the fingerprint cards then mail the whole thing to MSP? Or drive it down to AACo headquarters and drop it off for Chief Teare to sign off. Just type up a trust. So much easier and no prints, pics, or CLEO sign off. Just mail it all in. Most people think you need a lawyer for it, you don't. I'm sure you can find examples online and copy them. Some gun stores will help you write it up. Also with a trust you can add Trustee's (family members, friends, exc) that can legally be in possesion of the regulated item. Trusts have to be accurate and prepared properly for the Trust laws in the state you reside in. Just because a trust has worked for someone online it does not mean it was done correctly. An improperly prepared trust can get by an examiner of the first or second buy or build and maybe discovered to be void on a third one and there for the first 2 NFA weapons would have been transferred illegally. It has already happened where the ATF made a mistake and approved a form 1 on a trust and then later discovered it was improper for that state. Luckily they didn't press the issue and only had the person redue the trust. Ask yourself this, if the ATF makes a mistake and approves a faulty trust do you think they would admit a mistake or do you think they might go full retard? You have the Stamp which would mean they issued it, if they made a mistake it's on them. I'm a retired LEO and I can't see them pressing the issue. I do agree that you want to make sure your trust is for the state you live in as they are state specific. |
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jrzy
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Posted: 2/27/2013 12:35:58 PM
Originally Posted By Sgposin: Originally Posted By jrzy: Originally Posted By Sgposin: Just a word of caution:Originally Posted By S197Shelby: Question: I am a LEO in MD, but I live in a different county than the one I work. That means I cant get my own Chief to sign off as CLEO. Can I have someone I work with complete the fingerprint cards then mail the whole thing to MSP? Or drive it down to AACo headquarters and drop it off for Chief Teare to sign off. Just type up a trust. So much easier and no prints, pics, or CLEO sign off. Just mail it all in. Most people think you need a lawyer for it, you don't. I'm sure you can find examples online and copy them. Some gun stores will help you write it up. Also with a trust you can add Trustee's (family members, friends, exc) that can legally be in possesion of the regulated item. Trusts have to be accurate and prepared properly for the Trust laws in the state you reside in. Just because a trust has worked for someone online it does not mean it was done correctly. An improperly prepared trust can get by an examiner of the first or second buy or build and maybe discovered to be void on a third one and there for the first 2 NFA weapons would have been transferred illegally. It has already happened where the ATF made a mistake and approved a form 1 on a trust and then later discovered it was improper for that state. Luckily they didn't press the issue and only had the person redue the trust. Ask yourself this, if the ATF makes a mistake and approves a faulty trust do you think they would admit a mistake or do you think they might go full retard? You have the Stamp which would mean they issued it, if they made a mistake it's on them. I'm a retired LEO and I can't see them pressing the issue. I do agree that you want to make sure your trust is for the state you live in as they are state specific. Don't ever confuse the service of good LEO's with anything the ATF might do. I have 4 FFL's in 2 states and although my experiences with the ATF have all been positive it only takes one idiot to mess up your life. They very rarely admit a mistake, ever. The fact is just because they issue a stamp and the faulty trust gets by some incompetent employee does not negate the illegality of the trust. You are still in possession of an NFA weapon transferred illegally at that point. Maybe they don't press charges, maybe they just confiscate the weapon? Who cares at that point, maybe you beat the charges but pay for the ride? Like I said, don't confuse being an LEO with any Fed agency or how they work, I have first hand knowledge on the subject and have seen peoples lives ruined for less than a faulty trust involving the ATF |
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