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Walk in, 4473, walk out.  

Do I really need to spend the time special ordering one and pay shipping and transfer fees to avoid paying well over full retail?    

http://www.elementarms.com/New-Frontier-Stripped-Polymer-AR-15-Lower.html

Okay fair enough, haha.  I need it to be aluminum though.

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Really interested in doing a pistol build, but, don't feel like dropping tons o cash on a pistol lower.

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Try Atomic or get a $50 blem from PSA and deal with the five minutes of extra hassle.

http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1STSL&name=Spike's+Tactical+AR15+Lower+Receiver&groupid=855&fprdct=1

I might do this.  $89.95 and free shipping to the FFL.  I never seem to be online when the Anderson lowers go on sale.

We have the Deals up at Element Come on up and see us!

I'd be up there more often if the gas cost of an 80 minute round trip didn't kill any savings that might be had. :(

Arnzen had 'em for $79.95 a month ago.   I haven't been in there lately though.

I was just there today. They have Andersons for $75

Thanks for the update.

Aero Precision blem lower for $55 if you can wait a few extra days.  Have to look close to see the marks on the one I picked up last year.

Aero Precision Blem Lower

Maybe a gun show?

Armslist?

Apparently, not at any nearby retailer.

Take a trip to Gilbrt, MN and get a Range Tool lower (my personal favorites now).  With an econo car, should be able to do it for a C note.

Do they have a storefront? I hunt near Hibbing and want to stop by. But not for nothing. Plus. I always get delayed so I want to do it when I am up there for a few days.

Not sure if a store front, I have only ordered online.  
Good chance to see if they answer their phones and then pass on the info!

Lowers for pistols are the same as rifle lowers. Making a lower for a pistol has to be built in a certain order. It has to be barreled as a pistol first. Easiest way is buy a stripped lower, build you short barreled upper, attach upper to lower, and you now have lower that can be a pistol or a rifle.

If put a 16"+ barrel on first, its now permanently a rifle lower and cannot be a pistol lower.

My 300 blackout pistol build ran me about $550 without a bcg and charging handle as I swap those from other AR's.

I'll do that this week if I can remember.

Received this E-mail from Range Tool.

Er_Mah_Gerd,

We do not have a store front.

We mostly only do commercial transfers (to other dealers).

Thank you,


Michael Peterson
The Range Tool Company
310 North Broadway
PO Box 713
Gilbert, MN 55741
www.rangetool.com
[email protected]

Err.....that's wrong.

You can put whatever length of barrel on it. That's not the problem.

See ATF Ruling 2011-4. In a nutshell:

The short version:

The receiver must be sold as either "Other" (stripped), or "pistol", on the 4473. It cannot be sold as a rifle (with a buttstock attached, makes it a rifle, and must be transferred as such). A RECEIVER SOLD AS A RIFLE (either as a complete firearm or with an attached buttstock but otherwise bare) CAN NEVER BE CONVERTED TO A PISTOL. Not legally. Once sold as a rifle, always a rifle.

It cannot exist with parts that can only turn it into an NFA firearm (i.e. having the stripped receiver, a short upper...and a buttstock assembly, without having a longer 16" barreled upper; that constitutes an SBR as it can only ever be built into an NFA item with the available parts).

If you want to shoot your pistol as a rifle, you must first remove the short upper entirely, attach a long barrel upper, and only then can you attach the buttstock assembly. Shoot as a rifle. To revert it back to a pistol, you must first remove the buttstock assembly, and then you can swap the uppers. At no point ever can it have a buttstock on with a short upper.

Again - this can only be done on lowers that were sold as "other", or "pistol". If you bought a rifle, you cannot do this.


Yes, it's a tedious bunch of legal and technical BS. Just register your lower with the ATF as an SBR and avoid all the hassle.

Forgot to.mention the lower has to be " other" or "pistol". That part I knew.
I thought I read somewhere that a complete lower with a buttstock but without an upper had to be sold as an " other" and and that it has to be "barreled" in order to determine if its a rifle or other.

Whomever told you that was very very wrong

I'll look into some more. I found the ATF letter that said complete lowers with a buttstock that has not been barreled as a rifle can be made into a pistols, etc.

That's contrary to every "ruling" I've seen from them...but, things change I guess; when was the letter sent?

Its a letter from 2011 but I'm retarded when it comes to posting pics and links on a tablet.

link

Hopefully this works
Looks like it was 2010, not 2011.
There was another letter that said the buffer tube doesn't have to be a pistol specific buffer.  Others have use a1, a2 or carbine buffer tubes.

Yeah, I knew about the carbine RE, but always read that it can't have had a buttstock on it, ever...but, 2010 is more recent than the last time I did any checking into it So, well, I stand corrected

No problem

Knowing how the atf changes things, you had me thinking "Shit did they change the ruling again?"

It's shit like this is why I said fuckit and just registered some lowers as SBRs. I could play internet and government detective and try to piece things together in the correct order and hope I'm legal at the range out in public....OR, I could just throw $200 at the government and never, ever have to worry about it.

Some people go on about "but now you're on a list!"...I got news; if you filled out a 4473, ever, you're on a list If you have a Social Security Number...you're on a list. Have a passport? List! There's also lots of FUD (fear, uncertainty, and doubt) out there about NFA stuff and the process which seems to scare a lot of people away from what is actually a fairly painless procedure; the hardest part for me is getting finger printed, which for me is a quick stop at the county courthouse with some cash...it's just the anywhere from 3 to 9 month wait that's "difficult". Of course it helps if you have a county sheriff that understands the 2nd is a fundamental right and has no problem signing off on Form 1 or Form 4s...

For those that don't have a great sheriff...sorry

Element has all of their forged lowers for$100 right now, including spikes.I was just there this weekend.I think the sale is going on for another week.

Atomic Tactical is the place to go in the Metro. The have some great staff there too.
There is always plenty of lowers in that price range to choose from.