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Posted: 4/18/2012 6:55:10 PM
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THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT
MINNESOTA SUPPRESSOR LEGISLATIVE PROGRESS


Another grassroots success story in advancing good-sense on suppressor laws in Minnesota: We had been keeping this on the down-low for the last couple months, as this one was a bit sensitive, but it's good to go as of today!

Chris Stafford, a longtime GEMTECH client that saw a problem that needed to be addressed, asked his representative to start a bill, and this is the result. (Kudos Chris! Those GT cans are as good as yours!)

Historically, Minnesota has been one of the worst offenders in restricting the access to firearm-mounted hearing protection. There have even been roadblocks making it hard to obtain sound suppressors for even their own law enforcement departments, whose employees are exposed to firearms noise as a condition of their employment, not just by recreational choice. There have been positive changes to allow very narrow categories of suppressor ownership (some wildlife agencies, law enforcement, etc.), but not even dealers could possess them to demonstrate them *to* these agencies. GEMTECH couldn’t even “import” our own silencers into the state, so have subcontracted under manufacturing variance for companies like DPMS to get our product into Minnesota.

Today’s law change now advances Minnesota dealers to possess and sell to authorized clients. Baby steps for certain, and nowhere near the freedoms we’d like to see in the Gopher State, but we believe that the more commonplace suppressors are, the myths and misperceptions about them will start to erode, leading to increased freedoms to everyone. Minnesota’s got a long way to go towards a “greener” approach to abating firearm noise, but this is a step in the right direction.

Mike Benson is the Representative that got things moving there on the House side, and Senator Bill Englebritson on the Senate.
Federally licensed firearm importers, manufacturers and dealers firearm silencers possession and sale to authorized law enforcement agencies, military and other licensed importers, manufacturers and dealers authorization

Video of Chris’ testimony is here, about twenty minutes in:
http://www.senate.leg.state.mn.us/media/media_list.php?ls=87&archive_year=2012&archive_month=03&category=committee&type=video&ver=new#monthnav https://www.revisor.mn.gov/revisor/pages/search_status/status_detail.php?b=Senate&f=HF1816&ssn=0&y=2011


Bill Status 2125 and companion April 16, HB 1816 passed, and companion SB2125 passed – both went off to the governor and were signed today!

http://www.senate.leg.state.mn.us/media/media_list.php?ls=87&archive_year=2012&archive_month=03&category=committee&type=video&ver=new#monthnav
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/revisor/pages/search_status/status_detail.php?b=Senate&f=HF1816&ssn=0&y=2011




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Gotta tell ya, we spent most of the last weekend at the NRA show in St. Louis, listening to tons of Illinois folks come up and go "Oh... Chicago... never happen, can't fight it."

Minnesota is one of the hardest gun-politic states, and while no one likes "dealer only" or "LE only", it's a step in the right direction in getting people used to them. Baby steps. Happened in MI, WA, etc. Don't give up, and one guy can make a start.




Kel (who still remembers fondly Alpine-coastering at Buck Hill after a nice breakfast at the Pannekoeken Huis...)



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Posted: 4/18/2012 7:12:46 PM
Right on!!!!
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Great job, and thanks.
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Posted: 4/18/2012 8:12:28 PM
Well done. Looking forward to the day I can put a sound suppressor on my on firearms.

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Posted: 4/18/2012 9:01:56 PM
down low, hell us minnesotans were watching this bill and the other one the whole time. LOL

good job though!
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Did I get this correctly? LEO's can legally own a suppressor in Minnesota?

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Dealers as in FFL class3 holder?
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Posted: 4/18/2012 10:32:58 PM

Originally Posted By zimpete:
Did I get this correctly? LEO's can legally own a suppressor in Minnesota?


No.
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Posted: 4/18/2012 11:02:11 PM
My cans are coming home to MN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank god I missed them!!!!

Whats next, can for my M249!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: 4/18/2012 11:04:22 PM
Bill Summary
House Research Department
File Number:H.F. 1816Version:First engrossmentSubject:Firearms; creating an exception to the general prohibition on silencers
Date:March 21, 2012Authors:Benson, M.Analyst:Jim Cleary
This publication can be made available in alternative formats upon request. Please call 651-296-6753 (voice); or the Minnesota State Relay Service at 1-800-627-3529 (TTY) for assistance.

Overview
Background: A firearm silencer, or sound suppresser, is a portable device that attaches to the barrel of a firearm and functions to suppress the sound of shooting that firearm. Under the National Firearms Act of 1934 (NFA), firearm silencers have been licensed, taxed, and heavily regulated by the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (BATFE or ATF).

Some states, including Minnesota, further generally prohibit the sale and possession of silencers by civilians. Under Minnesota law, the only exceptions are for certain police and wildlife management officials, as well as for federally licensed collectors and authorized museums.

As amended, this bill would create another exception to the Minnesota prohibition on the sale and possession of firearm silencers - i.e., for federally licensed firearms importers, manufacturers, and dealers, when acting in full compliance with all federal requirements under that license. The amendment would allow such licensed persons to possess and sell firearm silencers, as well as firearms tested with silencers to:

· federal, state, and local government agencies;

· units of the U.S. Armed Forces; and

· persons who are federally licensed by the BATFE as a firearms importer, manufacturer, or dealer who are acting in full compliance with all federal requirements under that license.

Effective Date: August 1, 2012.
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Right On! Let keep the ball rolling.
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Thanks to all of those involved

I would be real curious to see where cornish voted on this
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Posted: 4/19/2012 12:34:40 AM
Originally Posted By mr_mojo_risin:
down low, hell us minnesotans were watching this bill and the other one the whole time. LOL

good job though!



Ha! Yeah, you're of course correct - it's a little hard to say a public hearing and legislative session was "on the down low" - I was more referring that often Gemtech posts a lot and tries to do our part rallying support via our social media and petitioning legislators, but we, along with some of the people pushing this ball forward, figured this would be best not attracting any anti's interest. Sometimes calling attention to an issue that's going to do ok without extra help can backfire and get opposition motivated.

We're just happy it went like it should have this go-round!

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Posted: 4/19/2012 12:36:19 AM
Originally Posted By NoStockBikes:

Originally Posted By zimpete:
Did I get this correctly? LEO's can legally own a suppressor in Minnesota?


No.


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Posted: 4/19/2012 4:58:04 AM
I've only looked at the summary posted above, but is there specific language restricting this only to Class 3 dealers and such? The way the summary reads, it seems to just specify "manufacturers or dealers"...
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Thanks for the assistance, GEMTECH and keep up the work! You have a lot of potential clients in this thread!
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Great work guys!!!!!!! Can't wait to start getting them in!!!!!
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Originally Posted By dpmmn:
Thanks to all of those involved

I would be real curious to see where cornish voted on this


Cornish is listed as one of the authors on the House version. I would imagine he voted yes.

The bill text does still appear to limit the purpose of FFL holder's possession of suppressors to be strictly for sale to either LEO or DNR officials. Technicially, this appears to still leave ammunition & rifle manufacturers out in the cold in terms of possession for development purposes. Unless I'm missing an interpretation.

Kel,
Could you comment on this?

Thanks.
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1) Good work, it's start.

B) Dang, the bill specifies FFL dealers instead of licensees, so no C&R "loophole" for me.

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One step closer to the average citizen being able to exercise a right I guess.
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Originally Posted By BC98:
Originally Posted By dpmmn:
Thanks to all of those involved

I would be real curious to see where cornish voted on this


Cornish is listed as one of the authors on the House version. I would imagine he voted yes.

The bill text does still appear to limit the purpose of FFL holder's possession of suppressors to be strictly for sale to either LEO or DNR officials. Technicially, this appears to still leave ammunition & rifle manufacturers out in the cold in terms of possession for development purposes. Unless I'm missing an interpretation.

Kel,
Could you comment on this?

Thanks.

When I talked to cornish earlier this year he was dead set against anyone but law enforcement having suppressors.

He is no real friend of "civillian" gun owners, he will let you know how long he has been in law enforcement and he will vote how his brothers in blue want him to vote

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That's the typical LE Union or LE Police Chief's stance.
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Posted: 4/20/2012 12:01:01 PM
Originally Posted By BC98:
The bill text does still appear to limit the purpose of FFL holder's possession of suppressors to be strictly for sale to either LEO or DNR officials. Technicially, this appears to still leave ammunition & rifle manufacturers out in the cold in terms of possession for development purposes. Unless I'm missing an interpretation.

Kel,
Could you comment on this?





***Far be it from me to play lawyer - but I don't see anything here that would limit it to NFA SOT holders. Seems a "dealer" is a "dealer", ie, FFL. Special Taxpayer paperwork is not a dealer license, or dealership of any sort, it's a flat yearly transfer tax. A standard FFL allows the holder to purchase any type of firearm across state lines, including NFA-registered firearms. All the SOT does is allows them to buy them flat-yearly-taxed.

A "normal" FFL holder should be able to call, say, GEMTECH (plug!), order a suppressor to be transferred on a Form 4 directly to them from GT. He just will have to pay the one-time-per-unit tax (Form 4), vice the yearly flat tax (annual SOT).



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This should almost be a sticky here, but, how hard is it to get an FFL in MN? Or could a C&R be used as well?

I'm willing to venture down the FFL path but I don't want to get hung up on something I should have known before hand.
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