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Posted: 7/31/2012 4:37:11 PM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT havent been able to post on here for quite some time. Been covered up with the new position and all that comes with it. I am looking for anyone who has experience running the ACR...a round count would be great with any other info you can provide. Its also good to see the training group is coming along well.. Any info is appreciated Thanks again Bruce |
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Posted: 8/1/2012 1:19:32 AM
[Last Edit: 8/1/2012 1:33:17 AM by thevibe]
Hey Bruce! Good to hear from you again!
I've some limited experience with both the Remington and Bushmaster ACR. Remington has the G3-ish charging handle, lighter than BM, no barrel wrench, different hand guard. Bushmaster has the nub charging handle, 1/9 twist, Heavy. Overall impression of the BM ACR is...ehh. Not quite sold on it, but it has potential. My biggest gripe is the weight. The ACR is not something I want to be lugging around. Yeah, some say to hit the gym, but lighter is always better. I handled the ACR with just irons, didn't even put a optic on it and it felt like a pig, I can't imagine what it would be like with a Eotech or Comp M4. While taking apart the rifle was a breeze, the barrel ratchet (two pronged thing under the barrel) added noticeable weight. ACR has enough weight. I like the idea of a quick change modular barrel...but removing the barrel and changing to a different length resulted in a loss of zero. MOE hand-guards were not ideal for the ACR, the ratchet gets in the way of the first slots near the magwell. So happens that's where I run my front sling attachment point at thus compromising my grip. Not to mention it takes hammer to tighten the barrel. Barrel profile was rather odd,thus further adding the weight to the front. There is a definite need to re-profile the barrel. Another gripe was the twist rate is 1/9! Not something I was expecting out of 2 grand rifle. On the plus side...the ACR is wicked ergonomic. Charging handle easy to charge, (g3 style and knob) although your hand may take a beating if a Eotech sits on top. Bolt release was stiff at first, but after a couple of uses, the release was easier and smoother to manipulate. So my over all impression: the BM ACR is a $2000, 9lb rifle (w/ 1 loaded mag, no optic) with a QD barrel that requires Thor's hammer to tighten and needs re-zeroing after you remove it. Feels more ergo than a AR, but much much bulkier. I personally put about 200 rounds through an ACR at a EAG class, no hiccups. However, TD2 around the 1100 round mark, ACR went to $hit. It was a small sample size, but it left a bad taste in my mouth. Plus...Bushamster made it, not exactly the most stellar record of quality control. Remington ACR on the other hand...I can't really say much. I've only fondled one, never shot one. But through numerous people, I have heard it is much better then Bushamster. Hope this helps! |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 3:24:08 AM
[Last Edit: 8/2/2012 1:37:48 PM by PFC_Dustin]
I have an ACR and it’s made me ditch my AR for all my training classes and matches. I love it. I'll give you that it’s heavier but with the 14 inch barrel or a re-profiled barrel that pretty much goes away. I've used both an Eotech and a 1-4x optic and it’s not a featherweight but you get used to it and don’t notice when you’re actually firing. I honestly thought I would but I don’t at all. It shoots very flat with a noticeable reduction in recoil over an AR and it’s a bit more accurate than my RRA AR.
The collapsible stock makes a huge difference in your ability to get a good cheek weld. It’s a good it better in my opinion than the Scar and miles ahead of any AR stocks I've dealt with. But the adjustment buttons for LOP are a bit stiff. The folding feature of the stock is awesome both for carrying slung and for storing in a range bag. Like you mentioned the ergonomics are amazing, mag changes and clearing malfunctions are extremely quick and everything is done with the trigger finger. I spent about two nights in my living room repeating the fire controls over and over and its second nature now. The stock trigger wasn’t the best so I swapped mine out with a Geissele S3G trigger. The shape of the safety also wasn’t the best so I reshaped mine, on the other hand it’s easier to flick and ambidextrous. Also the Remington version is much better. I’m going to have to disagree with you on the barrel changing thing. I hope you didn’t really use a hammer on it for one. It’s really not that hard at all, to get it started you push down on the release button but that’s the only point I can see you having a hard time with. The last click you leverage the back of your hand on the mag well and it’s still pretty easy. Your case just might be one of improper technique. It’s a new system and it takes some figuring out to get used to it. But every ACR I've handled is the same, they're all easy and the ratchet stops slightly off center. Further it makes cleaning very easy and I haven’t had any issues with POI shift. Which brings me to another point, the ACR is insanely clean. After a typical 300-400rnd range session the bolt and bolt carrier are spotless, the chamber is spotless aside from brass shavings and the barrel seems to be easier to clean as well. The gas piston is the only thing with carbon on it and it’s still easy to clean. I used to spend a good hour or so scrubbing my AR and now it’s over so quick I've found it disappointing. Define went to shit. What exactly happened? I've never had a malfunction with it in the few thousand rounds I've fired. And on the ACR forum that’s about the norm. I had some issues with P-mags and Magpul said that they updated the followers to work better with the ACR and sent me new ones. Also the gas regulator and spring was updated a while ago so if you had issues it may be that you had the old spring and regulator which was causing issues with some types of ammo. So if you had the older parts and hadn’t cleaned the regulator then those two factors could have caused your issues. When I contacted Bushmaster they gave me the replacements for free and all ACRs now come with the newer parts. I also don’t have any problem with the MOE components on mine. I have my sling attachment point farther forward than you described but when moved near the handle it still worked because there is a heat shield that would prevent the ratchet handle from even touching the MOE hardware. The hardware slides on a rail on the backside of the forearm and then it’s covered up by a heat shield similar to the old style M4 round forearms that were on before rails. So the ratchets handle can’t touch it. For the Remington ACR, I haven’t fired one but I've also heard it’s even better. Bottom line for me is I love it and I can’t see myself ever going back to the AR. The ACR actually ruined the AR platform for me. You could check out the ACR forum [http://www.acrforum.com/forum/index.php. There's a good bit of info on there including round counts and range reports. There are quite a lot of people running high round counts (3000-4000+) with out ever cleaning it and never having a malfuction. If your near Elizabethtown and have a place to shoot your welcome to try mine out. |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 10:07:01 AM
I don't have anything to contributing regarding the ACR, but I've seen PFC_Dustin running his ACR at several matches and he really knows how to run that thing! It's an impressive sight to behold.
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Posted: 8/2/2012 1:27:15 PM
Originally Posted By Merovinchian:
I don't have anything to contributing regarding the ACR, but I've seen PFC_Dustin running his ACR at several matches and he really knows how to run that thing! It's an impressive sight to behold. Wow thank you lol |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 8:39:10 PM
[Last Edit: 8/2/2012 8:39:23 PM by LawDog205]
Great info guys..I want to hear all experiences both good and bad.
TheVibe...Good to hear that you are still doing well. been a while since Ive seen any of you guys. My job has kept me out of sight for quite a while. While still being able to train..is a good thing..just havent been able to make it out to any of the shoots you guys have been having. I am working with some contacts in my business and seeing if I can get any of the rem stuff as I have been informed by everyone I speak with ..it head and shoulders above teh bushy stuff. Not sure how..and not knocking the bushy stuff at all....but that sems to be the general concensuss. I really appreciate the experience you guys have had runnig them..keep up the info sharing.. Thanks again Bruce |
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Posted: 8/4/2012 4:35:34 PM
Dustin,
Glad to hear you have a overwhelming positive experience with yours. That's what I was hoping for. The ACR I handled was one the first few that got into the public's hand. I think it was around early 2010 when I handled it. Regarding the barrel ratchet...yeah, a few us at Pat Roger's EAG course were examining it. We all found it incredibly hard to tighten the handle for some reason, someone brought out a hammer and gave it a good whack a few times. I cringed... Then again, it may be just it was an early gen and any early model guns tend to have some hijinks to work out. However, that was my limited experience. It left a bad taste unfortunately. It could be that the BM ACR's have gotten better like the one you have. With BM reputation in the AR world, it's hard (for me at least) to take any of their products and expect it to live up to abuse like I do with my BCM or Noveske. |
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Posted: 8/10/2012 4:11:58 AM
[Last Edit: 8/10/2012 4:18:44 AM by PFC_Dustin]
Originally Posted By thevibe:
Dustin, Glad to hear you have a overwhelming positive experience with yours. That's what I was hoping for. The ACR I handled was one the first few that got into the public's hand. I think it was around early 2010 when I handled it. Regarding the barrel ratchet...yeah, a few us at Pat Roger's EAG course were examining it. We all found it incredibly hard to tighten the handle for some reason, someone brought out a hammer and gave it a good whack a few times. I cringed... Then again, it may be just it was an early gen and any early model guns tend to have some hijinks to work out. However, that was my limited experience. It left a bad taste unfortunately. It could be that the BM ACR's have gotten better like the one you have. With BM reputation in the AR world, it's hard (for me at least) to take any of their products and expect it to live up to abuse like I do with my BCM or Noveske. To get the ratchet started sometimes you have to push down on the button just under the ratchet handle. Also since it came out they have updated the firing pin, the piston spring, and the gas regulator because the early models were having issues cycling certain brands of ammo. Mine was an older model a 3*** series and they replaced all of that for free for me and I got it back about a week after I sent it to them and mine was actually cycling fine. But if you consider the kinks that had to be worked out of the AR series rifles this one’s pretty amazing. I would give it a go again honestly. Whenever a new cool weapon system comes out a lot of people are quick to discredit the hype, even if they don’t realize it. I’m the same way. But I’ve personally put this rifle through hell training with it and it has yet to have a hiccup. If it had I would have just stuck with my AR for matches but the AR just feels like crap compared to this. It does have some issues like the shape of the safety and barrel weight but both are fixable and it’s worth it to me. What were the malfunctions you had? Heres what I mean about the ratchet. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTEJ4-mKAcE And just for fun heres a video of me fireing a few rounds testing the Super 3 Gun trigger. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80GswHTTFFI&feature=endscreen |
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