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Posted: 4/26/2012 4:06:38 PM
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THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT
The Knob Creek Practical Rifle League (KCPRL) had it's Third match on April 13th and 14th. Over 2 nights we had 29 shooters if I recall correctly. Everything went great and I hope everyone had a great time! Again our youngest shooter was 13. We gave out 300 bucks in cash prizes.

some highlights!
We shot from a moving vehicle, we shot multiple matches and targets over 2 nights!

The Knob Creek Practical Rifle League (KCPRL) is hosting it's next match and we are going to be shooting.
Rules are as follows ( subject to change, with or without notice)
Rifles, pistols and shotguns wll be self defense weapons. Not competition guns. The KCPRL is a practical shooting group. the KCPRL has the right to examine any equipment used or worn or carried during it's matches.

General safety rules
we run a cold range, no weapons loaded or handled unless under the direction of a Range Officer (RO) chamber flags inserted in long guns, pistols holstered. Sweeping someone with a weapon or other egregious safety violation is a automatic disqualification for the rest of the event with no refund!
for night shoots. one cyalume stick affixed on the front and one on the back of each match attendant, hung somewhere between neck and knees. NO EXCEPTIONS DO NOT PLAY THE INVISIBLE PEDESTRIAN! All match attendants will carry a minimum of 1 handheld light or head lamp for navigation.
eyes and ear protection required at all times.
RIFLES
Center fire rifle in .556, 7.62 or 5.45 x39 6.8 spc etc. please ask if the caliber you are shooting is considered a rifle caliber if you need clarification
Magazines can hold a maximum of 30 rounds.
one optic, one or more lights, Suppressors, NVG at shooters discretion.
SHOTGUNS
Semi auto or pump 12 gauge shotgun
one optic, one or more lights, Suppressors, NVG at shooters discretion.
no speed loaders, no mag tubes extending past the end of the barrel by more than 1 inch. Maximum barrel length 22 inches, no minimum length barrel.
PISTOLS
self defense pistol, NO RACE GUNS
center fire pistol or revolver in a pistol caliber of at least 380 caliber.
minor is 380, 9mm, 38 special, 9mm mak, etc
major, 357 mag,357 sig, 40, 45 acp, velocity times bullet weight in grains divided by 1000 must equal 165 or above!
holster must be hip or IWB within 3 inches of the side seam of pants, NO shoulder, Small-of-back, race holsters
no compensators or optics
no mag funnels
gun must start the match loaded with a factory magazine with standard baseplate. IE if you want to run a glock 33 round mag it needs to be in a Glock 18, and please oh please let me shoot it!
reload magazines can be any capacity

scoring
rifles, one hit in the A zone of an uspsa target is a stop or 2 hits anywhere on the target will consider it neutralized.

shotguns steel plate knocked down, the clay pigeon broken, the vegetable or canned good destroyed, the paper target with the majority of pellets in the a-d zones

pistols, 7 points on a IDPA target. A zone hits are 7 for minor and major, B zones hits 3/4 minor/major, C zone hits 2/3 minor/major, D zone hits 1/2 minor/major

failures to neutralize a target or shooting a no-shoot or having a procedural error (not using cover, not performing a mandatory reload) will incur a 10 second penalty per instance.

equipment needed
eye and ear protection
4 cyalume sticks minimum
a folding chair is probably a good idea!
a hand held light or headlamp or both for navigation.
rifle as above plus a minimum of 2 spare magazines and a mag carrier if wanted. 90 rounds ammo
shotgun as above 50 rounds ammunition, buck or birdshot.
pistol as above, with at least 2 spare magazines and a mag carrier plus either a weapon mounted light and or a handheld light. If a weapon light is mounted on a handgun it needs to also have a holster to accomodate this light and weapon. NO ATTACHING LIGHTS TO A HOT GUN! 50 rounds of ammunition

Pricing
all matches are 15 dollars for non KCR members and 10 dollars for KCR members.

SPONSORS and PRIZES
The first, second, and third place shooters in each event will win a cash prize to be determined, the overall top three shooters may be awarded a cash or other prize to be determined as well.
If anyone has a line on some companies willing or may be willing to donate prizes please let me know. I have asked a number of companies and only ELZETTA has donated prizes in the past.


If you have questions or comments IM or email me peteanderson at insightbb.com or through the site. Call KCR 502 922 4457 to get put on the list tell them which matches you want to sign up for, pistol, rifle, shotgun.


scores !

All the matches pay out at 1st place $30, 2nd place $20 and 3rd place $10. SHow ID at KCR for your prize moneys!

Rifle

1. 54.85 Matt H
2. 55.04 Marvin S
3. 56.89 Matt V
4. 57.88 Matt S
5. 64.01 Rusty T
6. 80.80 Craig B
7. 81.19 Adam H
8. 85.21 Dustin D
9. 92.94 Lynn C
10. 99.93 Mark H
11. 103.79 Wayne S
12. 133.73 Melanie T
13. 170.00 Ernie C
14. 185.89 Bob H
15. 246.65 Allen J
16. 258.00 Philip D

Shotgun


1. 51.16 Cole E
2. 56.35 Marvin S
3. 60.04 Daniel C
4. 63.23 Matt S
5. 63.99 Matt H
6. 66.63 Rusty T
7. 73.27 Matt V
8. 82.98 Jonathab B
9. 89.90 Lynn C
10. 91.20 Craig B
11. 104.13 Wayne S
12. 105.87 Pete A
13. 115.52 Dustin D
14. 123.02 Melanie T
15. 123.30 Allen J
16. 167.84 Adam H
17. 186.83 Ernie Cl

Pistol


1. 19.08 Matt S
2. 21.06 Marvin S
3. 22.57 Pete A
4. 24.58 Matt H
5. 28.87 Lynn C
6. 29.58 Rusty T
7. 32.88 Matt V
8. 34.57 Mark H
9. 40.40 Melanie T
10. 45.56 Wayne S
11. 52.48 Daniel C
12. 66.36 Phillip D
13. 67.22 Jonathan B
14. 69.20 Allen J
15. 79.31 Ernie C
16. 83.00 Cole E
17. 87.04 Craig B
18. 98.13 Heather A
19. 100.06 Adam H
20. 102.09 Dustin D
21. 148.96 Bob H



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THis shoots stages are not set in stone as yet. The next shoot will most likely include a pistol transition portion for the rifle or shotgun stage or for both. I haven't decided yet. I do no know for sure if we will have a pistol portion as yet.
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IN!
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Sweet. Count me in.

Thanks again for all the effort to make this happen.
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Can't wait!!!
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Posted: 4/26/2012 7:59:47 PM
Hmm, this sounds like fun. I might have to give it a try.
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Originally Posted By jff24gordn:
Hmm, this sounds like fun. I might have to give it a try.


it's alright, the dude that puts them on is kind of a dick.
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Posted: 4/26/2012 10:21:11 PM
Originally Posted By vengarr:
Originally Posted By jff24gordn:
Hmm, this sounds like fun. I might have to give it a try.


it's alright, the dude that puts them on is kind of a dick.


I heard that Craig guy is pretty awesome though!
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I'm in.
Coe said, "I can kill a crow on the wing".

Hickok replied, "Did the crow have a pistol? Was he shooting back? I will be."

(Coe then dies from Hickok's set of Colt 1851 Navy Percussion Pistols)
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so, what are we wanting to see this go around?

rifle to pistol transition?
exploding targets?
make people crawl around on the ground?


come on guys, what do we want to see?
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Posted: 4/29/2012 7:28:56 PM
Originally Posted By vengarr:
so, what are we wanting to see this go around?

rifle to pistol transition?
exploding targets?
make people crawl around on the ground?


come on guys, what do we want to see?


Zip-lines, need zip-lines.











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Posted: 4/29/2012 8:17:59 PM
Originally Posted By vengarr:
so, what are we wanting to see this go around?

rifle to pistol transition?
exploding targets?
make people crawl around on the ground?


come on guys, what do we want to see?


The truck again and having us shooting from it while its driving like last time. Maybe shooting from the bed this time or the cab again; just an idea.

Coe said, "I can kill a crow on the wing".

Hickok replied, "Did the crow have a pistol? Was he shooting back? I will be."

(Coe then dies from Hickok's set of Colt 1851 Navy Percussion Pistols)
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Posted: 4/29/2012 8:20:42 PM
Originally Posted By LuvBUSHmaster:
Originally Posted By vengarr:
so, what are we wanting to see this go around?

rifle to pistol transition?
exploding targets?
make people crawl around on the ground?


come on guys, what do we want to see?


The truck again and having us shooting from it while its driving like last time. Maybe shooting from the bed this time or the cab again; just an idea.



Vengarr and I wanted to shoot from the bed but we couldn't figure out a way to do it safely.

Maybe one day....

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Originally Posted By craig24680:
Originally Posted By LuvBUSHmaster:
Originally Posted By vengarr:
so, what are we wanting to see this go around?

rifle to pistol transition?
exploding targets?
make people crawl around on the ground?


come on guys, what do we want to see?


The truck again and having us shooting from it while its driving like last time. Maybe shooting from the bed this time or the cab again; just an idea.



Vengarr and I wanted to shoot from the bed but we couldn't figure out a way to do it safely.

Maybe one day....

Craig


Yeah, we discussed that and honestly I see someone dumping out of the bed on the move.
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put a harness on the shooter with a carabiner behind their neck and rope it to the rear bumper of the truck. get dragged while shooting.












But seriously, more hostages.
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Posted: 4/30/2012 12:10:22 PM
Originally Posted By vengarr:
so, what are we wanting to see this go around?

rifle to pistol transition?
exploding targets?
make people crawl around on the ground?


come on guys, what do we want to see?


random thoughts:

Streamline/simplify the rifle COF so that we can run it twice.
At least one longer-range shot (on steel?) either at the start or end of the rifle stage (bonus shot?)
Shooting under/around/through cover (vehicle?).
Shooting from the moving truck was a nice touch. We could try that again.
Rifle to pistol transition would be a very interesting way to stop the clock/end the stage.
"Battlefield pickup" style start to the stage. You have to drag/carry something heavy(ammo/jerry cans?) to your rifle, load it and engage targets. All on the clock.
A separate pistol stage would be nice. It seemed very popular last time. Very practical too.



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Originally Posted By Damon_23:
Originally Posted By vengarr:
so, what are we wanting to see this go around?

rifle to pistol transition?
exploding targets?
make people crawl around on the ground?


come on guys, what do we want to see?


random thoughts:

Streamline/simplify the rifle COF so that we can run it twice.
At least one longer-range shot (on steel?) either at the start or end of the rifle stage (bonus shot?)
Shooting under/around/through cover (vehicle?).
Shooting from the moving truck was a nice touch. We could try that again.
Rifle to pistol transition would be a very interesting way to stop the clock/end the stage.
"Battlefield pickup" style start to the stage. You have to drag/carry something heavy(ammo/jerry cans?) to your rifle, load it and engage targets. All on the clock.
A separate pistol stage would be nice. It seemed very popular last time. Very practical too.





I'd like to see a "Heavy Metal" optional run for the rifle stage at least.

I've got a bunch of "battle" rifles that would be neat to use them but I don't want my only one run on the course of fire to be with a FAL that I've never shot in the dark before.

So maybe an optional Second Run, the first run is for your official time and then pay extra to do a 2nd run/heavy metal run where the .30 cal rifles come out. Also would be fun to try with a M1 Garand just to see what its like....

Coe said, "I can kill a crow on the wing".

Hickok replied, "Did the crow have a pistol? Was he shooting back? I will be."

(Coe then dies from Hickok's set of Colt 1851 Navy Percussion Pistols)
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[/quote]

I'd like to see a "Heavy Metal" optional run for the rifle stage at least.

I've got a bunch of "battle" rifles that would be neat to use them but I don't want my only one run on the course of fire to be with a FAL that I've never shot in the dark before.

So maybe an optional Second Run, the first run is for your official time and then pay extra to do a 2nd run/heavy metal run where the .30 cal rifles come out. Also would be fun to try with a M1 Garand just to see what its like....

[/quote]

I would be up for this. Sounds like a blast.

For that matter, what about a separate "practice" night at KCR. That would give folks a chance to test their rigs and try differenet rifle platforms. Set up a simple COF and take turns running against the clock.



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Originally Posted By LuvBUSHmaster:
Originally Posted By vengarr:
so, what are we wanting to see this go around?

rifle to pistol transition?
exploding targets?
make people crawl around on the ground?


come on guys, what do we want to see?


The truck again and having us shooting from it while its driving like last time. Maybe shooting from the bed this time or the cab again; just an idea.



Shooting from the bed seems kinda dangerous to the person driving....

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Originally Posted By Merovinchian:
Originally Posted By LuvBUSHmaster:
Originally Posted By vengarr:
so, what are we wanting to see this go around?

rifle to pistol transition?
exploding targets?
make people crawl around on the ground?


come on guys, what do we want to see?


The truck again and having us shooting from it while its driving like last time. Maybe shooting from the bed this time or the cab again; just an idea.



Shooting from the bed seems kinda dangerous to the person driving....



Put the tail-gate up, sit with your rifle hanging over the passenger side pointing out (same direction that we shot from last time) except sit in the bed nearer the cab than the tailgate Vs in the cab.

The driver is very much behind and you and 2-3 feet to your left. This seems safer than sitting in the cab and shooting from inside the cab right next to the driver.
Coe said, "I can kill a crow on the wing".

Hickok replied, "Did the crow have a pistol? Was he shooting back? I will be."

(Coe then dies from Hickok's set of Colt 1851 Navy Percussion Pistols)
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ok some updates related to overall night shooting

test and tune nights. Kenny will let me take 20 people on either the upper or lower range tops.
The place is ours from 6- midnight.
tracers are fine, DEPENDING on the dryness conditions.
we will run this exactly like a regular range day except it will be in the evening. We will call cease fires etc.

We can do a Friday if I give Kenny at least 2 weeks heads up and have at least 10 people total. I will be working alor of overtime in May, so I will see tomorrow what Friday night works best for me.

I am number 1 the next person that calls a spot will be number 2
do a count and send me an email or IM with your number and real name so I can start a list.


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Originally Posted By vengarr:
ok some updates related to overall night shooting

test and tune nights. Kenny will let me take 20 people on either the upper or lower range tops.
The place is ours from 6- midnight.
tracers are fine, DEPENDING on the dryness conditions.
we will run this exactly like a regular range day except it will be in the evening. We will call cease fires etc.

We can do a Friday if I give Kenny at least 2 weeks heads up and have at least 10 people total. I will be working alor of overtime in May, so I will see tomorrow what Friday night works best for me.

I am number 1 the next person that calls a spot will be number 2
do a count and send me an email or IM with your number and real name so I can start a list.




I call spot number 2.
IM/emailing you with my contact info for the list.

Coe said, "I can kill a crow on the wing".

Hickok replied, "Did the crow have a pistol? Was he shooting back? I will be."

(Coe then dies from Hickok's set of Colt 1851 Navy Percussion Pistols)
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Originally Posted By LuvBUSHmaster:
Originally Posted By Damon_23:
Originally Posted By vengarr:
so, what are we wanting to see this go around?

rifle to pistol transition?
exploding targets?
make people crawl around on the ground?


come on guys, what do we want to see?


random thoughts:

Streamline/simplify the rifle COF so that we can run it twice.
At least one longer-range shot (on steel?) either at the start or end of the rifle stage (bonus shot?)
Shooting under/around/through cover (vehicle?).
Shooting from the moving truck was a nice touch. We could try that again.
Rifle to pistol transition would be a very interesting way to stop the clock/end the stage.
"Battlefield pickup" style start to the stage. You have to drag/carry something heavy(ammo/jerry cans?) to your rifle, load it and engage targets. All on the clock.
A separate pistol stage would be nice. It seemed very popular last time. Very practical too.





I'd like to see a "Heavy Metal" optional run for the rifle stage at least.

I've got a bunch of "battle" rifles that would be neat to use them but I don't want my only one run on the course of fire to be with a FAL that I've never shot in the dark before.

So maybe an optional Second Run, the first run is for your official time and then pay extra to do a 2nd run/heavy metal run where the .30 cal rifles come out. Also would be fun to try with a M1 Garand just to see what its like....

Will a M1 be scored differently than a AR? Pistols are scored major/minor and nothing is more major than a M1.
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Posted: 4/30/2012 7:03:46 PM
Originally Posted By vengarr:
ok some updates related to overall night shooting

test and tune nights. Kenny will let me take 20 people on either the upper or lower range tops.
The place is ours from 6- midnight.
tracers are fine, DEPENDING on the dryness conditions.
we will run this exactly like a regular range day except it will be in the evening. We will call cease fires etc.

We can do a Friday if I give Kenny at least 2 weeks heads up and have at least 10 people total. I will be working alor of overtime in May, so I will see tomorrow what Friday night works best for me.

I am number 1 the next person that calls a spot will be number 2
do a count and send me an email or IM with your number and real name so I can start a list.




I'm in.
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Originally Posted By jff24gordn:

Originally Posted By LuvBUSHmaster:
Originally Posted By Damon_23:
Originally Posted By vengarr:
so, what are we wanting to see this go around?

rifle to pistol transition?
exploding targets?
make people crawl around on the ground?


come on guys, what do we want to see?


random thoughts:

Streamline/simplify the rifle COF so that we can run it twice.
At least one longer-range shot (on steel?) either at the start or end of the rifle stage (bonus shot?)
Shooting under/around/through cover (vehicle?).
Shooting from the moving truck was a nice touch. We could try that again.
Rifle to pistol transition would be a very interesting way to stop the clock/end the stage.
"Battlefield pickup" style start to the stage. You have to drag/carry something heavy(ammo/jerry cans?) to your rifle, load it and engage targets. All on the clock.
A separate pistol stage would be nice. It seemed very popular last time. Very practical too.





I'd like to see a "Heavy Metal" optional run for the rifle stage at least.

I've got a bunch of "battle" rifles that would be neat to use them but I don't want my only one run on the course of fire to be with a FAL that I've never shot in the dark before.

So maybe an optional Second Run, the first run is for your official time and then pay extra to do a 2nd run/heavy metal run where the .30 cal rifles come out. Also would be fun to try with a M1 Garand just to see what its like....

Will a M1 be scored differently than a AR? Pistols are scored major/minor and nothing is more major than a M1.


Just make every hit an A Zone hit and you won't have to worry about minor/major

Personally, I'd say any one hit in the A or B zone is neutralized with an M1 Garand/FAL/PRT91/M1A/etc, but that's "Yeah well you know that's just like my opinion man" <The Big Lebowski>
Coe said, "I can kill a crow on the wing".

Hickok replied, "Did the crow have a pistol? Was he shooting back? I will be."

(Coe then dies from Hickok's set of Colt 1851 Navy Percussion Pistols)
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