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Check out tacked threads and Google searches on m855 performance. Many reports that m855 does not yaw and fragment as well as other munitions at closer ranges. Many reports of battle field pass throughs, resulting in small entry and exits wounds, allowing the enemy to remain in the fight. This has to do with the very nature of the round as well as the current use of the m4 vs m16 ( barrel length).
another note, the military is currently replacing m855 for m855a1 due to its lack of performance.
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I stopped buying green tip when I realized just how shitty an anti personnel round it really is.
Interesting...Would it be possible for you to elaborate a bit on this? I've read that it doesn't fragment as well as M193 at longer distances and that the steel core results in a lack of consistency in regards to accuracy, but I've yet to hear it trashed this badly
Thanks.
Yeah, I'd like to know this too. I've stockpiled Israeli SS109 on the theory that the Israelis are world experts at gunning down Palestinians sneaking across the border.
The main objection I;ve heard is that SS109s are meant for 20 inch Rifle barrels. When used in 14 or 16 inch shorty barrels the round loses a quarter of its muzzle energy so it doesn't reach the high velocity the steel core needs to go splat when it hit a Palestinian.
Think about it, do you guys know of ANY hunting round that's FMJ let alone has a piece of steel in it?
No, no is the answer. It's a general purpose round created in the cold war, so it's designed to to everything kinda "meh ok". Doesn't so anything really good. Accuracy, meh, ok.... Penetrating armor, meh, ok..... Soft tissue damage, meh ok if you shoot them enough..... Go through hard objects like walls, pretty well.
Just look at Iraq/afghan, saw gunners have raked insurgents with this stuff only to have them keep running, they bleed out and died later but doesn't drop them. We practice failure to stop drills now to shoot at bones and the head since its been an issue. Multiple center mass shots and the guy keeps running at the Marines.
It was
created to fight the Russians or similar uniform army guys wearing steel helmets and 70s era type body armor. The mil still uses it just because they don't change shit unless they have to. Civies will buy it because 1 the gov says they can't have it, 2 they actually think it's the best shit ever made just because the mil goes through a billion rounds a year or what ever.
Check out tacked threads and Google searches on m855 performance. Many reports that m855 does not yaw and fragment as well as other munitions at closer ranges. Many reports of battle field pass throughs, resulting in small entry and exits wounds, allowing the enemy to remain in the fight. This has to do with the very nature of the round as well as the current use of the m4 vs m16 ( barrel length).
another note, the military is currently replacing m855 for m855a1 due to its lack of performance.
As stated above, M855 was made to penetrate Russian Steel helmets, not something I'm concerned with. Accuracy sub standard, when it hits a fleshy body it has an ice pick effect, like 9mm ball. Doesn't cause the cavitation that a hollow point or tumbling round would, just a straight line in and out.
M193, 55grain basically does things in a human body that can't be explained. Things it really has no business doing.
M855 will penetrate level 3 polyethylene body armor, but it's pretty rare stuff
M193 has a better chance (at close range) of penetrating level 3 AR500 body armor
Each will be about equally as effective on level 4 body armor after multiple hits.
I do keep m855 available in my system for its ability to penetrate light walls better than M193.