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Posted: 11/21/2014 5:47:37 PM EDT
CT Office of the Child Advocate released it's Sandy Hook report today. Direct link to the report: http://www.ct.gov/oca/lib/oca/sandyhook11212014.pdf

From page 3 of that report:

"It was not the primary purpose of this investigation to explicitly examine the role of guns in the Sandy Hook shootings.  However, the conclusion cannot be avoided that access to guns is relevant to an examination of ways to improve the public health. Access to assault weapons with high capacity magazines did play a major role in this and other mass shootings in recent history. Our emphasis on AL’s developmental trajectory and issues of mental illness should not be understood to mean that these issues were considered more important than access to these weapons or that we do not consider such access to be a critical public health issue."

Of course the facts on mass shootings show that so called assault weapons are not the most common used firearm. But why let facts get in the way of pushing an agenda.

Some local media reaction:

New Report on Lanza: Parental Denial, Breakdowns, Missed Opportunities

Office of the Child Advocate releases new report on Sandy Hook shooter

Report: Yale’s recommendations for support of Newtown shooter largely unheeded
Link Posted: 11/21/2014 6:02:07 PM EDT
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First thing I said when I read that too. I will never understand how they can print lies and are incapable of being called out on them with clear facts.
Link Posted: 11/21/2014 6:07:59 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 11/21/2014 6:47:07 PM EDT
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For them to find otherwise would be to admit the failure of our mental health system
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Yep. That's how I'm reading this as I skim the report. Also LOL at some of the derp, like the following including the language "high capacity bullet clips" :

The conclusion that access to guns drives shooting episodes far more than the presence of mental illness is inescapable. Those countries that have tight gun controls in general experience less overall gun violence and have fewer episodes per capita of mass shootings.

Further, there is good reason to believe that the nearly ubiquitous presence of assault weapons and high capacity bullet clips enhances the number of individuals likely to be shot in shooting incidents.

We also know that the period during which a shooter must reload provides an opportunity for others to stop the shooter or to escape. Jared Loughner’s massacre in Tuscon, Arizona ended only when,
after emptying a 33 round magazine, killing and wounding another, he was subdued by bystanders while attempting to exchange magazines. In Sandy Hook Elementary School, eleven children escaped from their classroom while AL was exchanging the clip in his automatic weapon. The smaller the capacity of the clip, the more reloading episodes there will be, and the greater the opportunity for escape or rescue by law enforcement.

It is reasonable to wonder what actions AL would have taken and whether the Sandy Hook tragedy could have occurred at all if he had not had unfettered access to significant weaponry and ammunition.


They noticeably left out the deadliest school shooting, Virginia Tech when talking about the evils of guns. Because it doesn't fit their agenda, Cho shot most of his victims with a .22 caliber handgun utilizing 10 round magazines. He reloaded them repeatedly yet wasn't stopped.
Link Posted: 11/21/2014 6:50:35 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 11/21/2014 8:18:47 PM EDT
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Authors underscore however that only AL was responsible for his murderous actions at Sandy Hook.
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Yet all gun owners became the target of the State in the months following the tragedy...
Link Posted: 11/21/2014 8:31:20 PM EDT
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From the report:

Would a similar family from a different race or lower socio-economic status in the community have been given the same benefit of the doubt that AL’s family was given? Is the community more reluctant to intervene and more likely to provide deference to the parental judgment and decision-making of white, affluent parents than those caregivers who are poor or minority?97 Would AL’s caregivers’ reluctance to maintain him in school or a treatment program have gone under the radar if he were a child of color?

Gotta get that dig in at white privilege while they were at it.
Link Posted: 11/21/2014 9:06:00 PM EDT
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Fuck em.  Bunch of idiots that have no clue.  Really tired of the constant news media Sandy Hook bullshit stories too.  It's been 2 years.  Time to move on with life.
Link Posted: 11/22/2014 5:02:28 PM EDT
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Fuck em.  Bunch of idiots that have no clue.  Really tired of the constant news media Sandy Hook bullshit stories too.  It's been 2 years.  Time to move on with life.



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"Mourn not the Dead continuously, As those that do not have possession of Hope."
Link Posted: 11/22/2014 5:06:08 PM EDT
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Yep. That's how I'm reading this as I skim the report. Also LOL at some of the derp, like the following including the language "high capacity bullet clips" :

The conclusion that access to guns drives shooting episodes far more than the presence of mental illness is inescapable. Those countries that have tight gun controls in general experience less overall gun violence and have fewer episodes per capita of mass shootings.

Further, there is good reason to believe that the nearly ubiquitous presence of assault weapons and high capacity bullet clips enhances the number of individuals likely to be shot in shooting incidents.

We also know that the period during which a shooter must reload provides an opportunity for others to stop the shooter or to escape. Jared Loughner’s massacre in Tuscon, Arizona ended only when,
after emptying a 33 round magazine, killing and wounding another, he was subdued by bystanders while attempting to exchange magazines. In Sandy Hook Elementary School, eleven children escaped from their classroom while AL was exchanging the clip in his automatic weapon. The smaller the capacity of the clip, the more reloading episodes there will be, and the greater the opportunity for escape or rescue by law enforcement.

It is reasonable to wonder what actions AL would have taken and whether the Sandy Hook tragedy could have occurred at all if he had not had unfettered access to significant weaponry and ammunition.


They noticeably left out the deadliest school shooting, Virginia Tech when talking about the evils of guns. Because it doesn't fit their agenda, Cho shot most of his victims with a .22 caliber handgun utilizing 10 round magazines. He reloaded them repeatedly yet wasn't stopped.
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For them to find otherwise would be to admit the failure of our mental health system

Yep. That's how I'm reading this as I skim the report. Also LOL at some of the derp, like the following including the language "high capacity bullet clips" :

The conclusion that access to guns drives shooting episodes far more than the presence of mental illness is inescapable. Those countries that have tight gun controls in general experience less overall gun violence and have fewer episodes per capita of mass shootings.

Further, there is good reason to believe that the nearly ubiquitous presence of assault weapons and high capacity bullet clips enhances the number of individuals likely to be shot in shooting incidents.

We also know that the period during which a shooter must reload provides an opportunity for others to stop the shooter or to escape. Jared Loughner’s massacre in Tuscon, Arizona ended only when,
after emptying a 33 round magazine, killing and wounding another, he was subdued by bystanders while attempting to exchange magazines. In Sandy Hook Elementary School, eleven children escaped from their classroom while AL was exchanging the clip in his automatic weapon. The smaller the capacity of the clip, the more reloading episodes there will be, and the greater the opportunity for escape or rescue by law enforcement.

It is reasonable to wonder what actions AL would have taken and whether the Sandy Hook tragedy could have occurred at all if he had not had unfettered access to significant weaponry and ammunition.


They noticeably left out the deadliest school shooting, Virginia Tech when talking about the evils of guns. Because it doesn't fit their agenda, Cho shot most of his victims with a .22 caliber handgun utilizing 10 round magazines. He reloaded them repeatedly yet wasn't stopped.


Anyone else notice this blunder?

Derp award for writing & research for this paper.
Link Posted: 11/22/2014 5:46:09 PM EDT
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Anyone else notice this blunder?

Derp award for writing & research for this paper.
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I stopped taking the firearms side of the report seriously after the "high capacity bullet clips" text which came before the "automatic weapon" derp. At that point it was obvious the person writing the report didn't know what the fuck they were talking about. Not that it matters since they are pushing an ideological agenda with that report anyhow and they rely on Brady bunch anti gun language to push that agenda.
Link Posted: 11/22/2014 6:17:28 PM EDT
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Unrestricted access to gasoline and matches played a clear role.

Little or no restrictions to purchasing Ammonium Nitrate and Diesel should be examined in the next legislative session.

Why a disturbed individual had unfettered access to professional edged culinary tools in excess of 10 inches must be explored.

Bah... just another sock puppet "report". More bullshit.
Link Posted: 11/22/2014 6:45:39 PM EDT
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1) It is an inexcusable failure for that writer to use incorrect, meaningless,  perjorative, and prejudicial terms rather than do their homework.  There were plenty of people in the legislature who could have helped him/her get it right but they don't care.   This is what makes them fools.  

2) That statement at the end about "fooling ourselves" regarding the accessibility of so-called "Assault weapons" is also a literal kick in the groin while we're down.  Why not write that?  They know they screwed us and they know it was based on emotion, not facts.

3) I read a lot of the Courant article and couldn't see where the parents were ever held culpable for allowing firearms to be in the house in the first place.  Did I miss that?  Was there even a discussion about it?  

4) Frankly, that entire report looks as if there's going to be a mother-of-all-lawsuits filed against the state, anyone who mistreated AL, and the father and the estate of the mother.  It's clear that they were all culpable to some extent over a decade.  So much passing the buck and the mother coddling her damaged child.  If it were a religious sect that eschewed doctors, you can rest assured the state would have been all over that kid and he would have been put into state custody.  Not AL, however.  Nope.  They had money and important people's ears.  Most prominently, however, is the Father.  He's in for a tough ride I think.  There's a guy who has the resources and clearly knew the condition of his kid and had to know that his wife......or he personally.....had purchase firearms.  Did the report discuss those details?  I, for one, would like to know how they were obtained.  He knew his kid has a penchant for violence yet he did NOTHING.  

I'll never forget that a couple of weeks after the horrific murders, AL's father was going to give a statement and he was standing off to the side of the podium in the shadows. He was talking to someone, JOKING and smiling as if he were going to make his debut.  As soon as he stepped into the mike, he has a very serious face one.  Reminded me of Clinton when he was caught joshing around with his buddies at a funeral.

That man has to be held accountable along with his wife's estate and the other actors all have to be held accountable as well.  When fault is being assigned after an accident, all of the players have a percentage of the responsibility.  This is the same thing.   Sue the shit out of these people for dropping the ball when any other peon family would have had their lives turn inside out, upside down for extremely minor offences.  A mother loses the custody of her child as she runs into a dry cleaners while able to still see the car and baby right in front of her.  Someone calls the cops and voila!  She's toast.  Not the AL and his ilk.  Nope.  

Make me ill.

Link Posted: 11/22/2014 8:44:37 PM EDT
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FUCK THEM, FUCK THIS STATE, FUCK THEIR STUPIDITY!!!

STUPID MOTHER FUCKING FUCKS!!!!!!!

Link Posted: 11/22/2014 10:46:25 PM EDT
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What about easy access to the evil black Honda Civic?  He never would have been able to get there...
Link Posted: 11/24/2014 11:45:22 PM EDT
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Sadly, had the principal had access to a firearm and some basic training 20 children and 25 adults would most likely still be alive.

The focus on guns should be on the retarded "No Guns" zones and the childish fear so many have been conditioned to feel.
Link Posted: 11/25/2014 9:30:38 AM EDT
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Sadly, had the principal had access to a firearm and some basic training 20 children and 25 adults would most likely still be alive.

The focus on guns should be on the retarded "No Guns" zones and the childish fear so many have been conditioned to feel.
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The reality is that anti rights people and those pushing a progressive agenda don't want to discuss reality. There was ample opportunity to stop the Sandy Hook murderer by a multitude of people. But having such a discussion will take the focus off guns. While there is no guarantee that teachers or staff being armed would have prevented the events that day it would have offered them the opportunity to try and stop the murderer's rampage. Progressive policy (and ideology) removed that option forcing the teachers and staff to fall back to "sheltering in place" and waiting for others (agents of the state) to come save them. Some will blame the mother for not securing the guns, don't know if we know for sure exactly how they were stored that day. Others will blame the doctors, medication, or others for not stopping the murderer that day. The reality is its a combination of many factors that lead up to the events that day (it always is). Remove any one of those factors and the events may not have transpired the way they did.

Much easier to advance the political and ideological agenda by dancing in the blood of 27 victims than have a real discussion on the events that lead up to what happened that day.
Link Posted: 11/26/2014 12:26:04 AM EDT
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The reality is that anti rights people and those pushing a progressive agenda don't want to discuss reality. There was ample opportunity to stop the Sandy Hook murderer by a multitude of people. But having such a discussion will take the focus off guns. While there is no guarantee that teachers or staff being armed would have prevented the events that day it would have offered them the opportunity to try and stop the murderer's rampage. Progressive policy (and ideology) removed that option forcing the teachers and staff to fall back to "sheltering in place" and waiting for others (agents of the state) to come save them. Some will blame the mother for not securing the guns, don't know if we know for sure exactly how they were stored that day. Others will blame the doctors, medication, or others for not stopping the murderer that day. The reality is its a combination of many factors that lead up to the events that day (it always is). Remove any one of those factors and the events may not have transpired the way they did.

Much easier to advance the political and ideological agenda by dancing in the blood of 27 victims than have a real discussion on the events that lead up to what happened that day.
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Sadly, had the principal had access to a firearm and some basic training 20 children and 25 adults would most likely still be alive.

The focus on guns should be on the retarded "No Guns" zones and the childish fear so many have been conditioned to feel.

The reality is that anti rights people and those pushing a progressive agenda don't want to discuss reality. There was ample opportunity to stop the Sandy Hook murderer by a multitude of people. But having such a discussion will take the focus off guns. While there is no guarantee that teachers or staff being armed would have prevented the events that day it would have offered them the opportunity to try and stop the murderer's rampage. Progressive policy (and ideology) removed that option forcing the teachers and staff to fall back to "sheltering in place" and waiting for others (agents of the state) to come save them. Some will blame the mother for not securing the guns, don't know if we know for sure exactly how they were stored that day. Others will blame the doctors, medication, or others for not stopping the murderer that day. The reality is its a combination of many factors that lead up to the events that day (it always is). Remove any one of those factors and the events may not have transpired the way they did.

Much easier to advance the political and ideological agenda by dancing in the blood of 27 victims than have a real discussion on the events that lead up to what happened that day.


Exactly!
Link Posted: 11/26/2014 6:42:32 AM EDT
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We will continue getting hammered like this, because we can do nothing to stop it.

WE rally,
WE vote,
WE lose every stinking time.
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