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Posted: 4/5/2013 9:03:55 AM EST
[Last Edit: 4/5/2013 9:05:26 AM EST by sbhaven]
Updated information on the DESPP Firearms page.
http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?a=4213&q=494616

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(Updated) List of Assault Weapons
http://www.ct.gov/despp/lib/despp/slfu/firearms/assault_weapons.pdf

Assault Weapon Certificate Application
http://www.ct.gov/despp/lib/despp/slfu/firearms/dps-414-c_assault_weapon_cert.pdf

Assault Weapon Transfer Form
http://www.ct.gov/despp/lib/despp/slfu/firearms/dps-415-c_assault_weapon_transfer.pdf

Here are the Instructions for the assault weapons certificate application...
1. Type or print all information in both sections. (Must be legible or it will be returned)
2. Submit proof that you purchased this weapon April 4, 2013 in addition to one of the following: a DPS-3, or sworn affidavit that the specified assault weapon was purchased in compliance with state and federal laws.
3. Thumbprint is required for application to be processed.
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Posted: 4/5/2013 9:09:42 AM EST
Thanks for finding this. Besides the obvious typo that will have to be corrected, this is actually a really good form (i.e. it does not require you to specify the accessories to the rifle -- hint, hint).
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Posted: 4/5/2013 9:11:48 AM EST
Submit proof? Ha...oh here we go this should be good.
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Posted: 4/5/2013 9:13:37 AM EST
Form is already screwed up. I can only register it if I purchased it on April 4, 2013, I guess.
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Posted: 4/5/2013 9:15:45 AM EST
Originally Posted By ctfiveo:
Form is already screwed up. I can only register it if I purchased it on April 4, 2013, I guess.


Yup -- that's the obvious typo that has to be fixed. With regard to the "proof" requirement, just submit a sworn affidavit.
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Posted: 4/5/2013 9:19:14 AM EST
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I'm sure its because of the typo on the form, BUT...that is now how it currently reads:

Submit proof that you purchased this weapon April 4, 2013 in addition to one of the following: a DPS-3, or sworn affidavit that the specified assault weapon was purchased in compliance with state and federal laws.


Proof in addition to one of the following: a DPS-3 or affidavit

I'm sure it's just a bad form right now...
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Posted: 4/5/2013 9:19:41 AM EST
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Why does it say show proof it was bought by April 4th IN ADDITION to a DPS-3 or affidavit.
If I bought a rifle years ago and don't have a DPS-3 then how can i show proof other than my sworn affidavit.
Makes no sense
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Posted: 4/5/2013 9:25:19 AM EST
Because the language of the law is screwy, they probably did not know whether to say "by April 4, 2013" or "before April 4, 2013" and just put it out before getting legal clearance. As the form is worded right now, onyl people who purchased yesterday could submit the application.
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Posted: 4/5/2013 9:27:40 AM EST
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Yep that "submit proof" in addition to "one of the following: a DPS-3" will be a problem for more than a few people, especially if they are sticklers on it.

Also missing from the form is the fact that the bill stated they were supposed to add a section for LCM's on it.

Sec. 24
(b) In addition to the application form prescribed under subsection (a) of this section, the department shall design or amend the application forms for a certificate of possession for an assault weapon under section 53-202d of the general statutes, as amended by this act, or for a permit to carry a pistol or revolver under section 29-28a of the general statutes, a long gun eligibility certificate under section 2 of this act, an eligibility certificate for a pistol or revolver under section 29-36f of the general statutes, as amended by this act, or any renewal of such permit or certificate to permit an applicant to declare possession of a large capacity magazine pursuant to this section upon the same application.


Fun times ahead...
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Posted: 4/5/2013 9:33:01 AM EST
So...

Purchase by/on April 4th?

Or

Take transfer from your FFL by/on April 4th?
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yeah I saw that as well.
If this stays as is alot of people who were gifted rifles or who did cash FTF sales are going to be left without a chair when the music stops.
I am hoping this is just a first draft that some clerk was rushed into getting on their website.

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Posted: 4/5/2013 9:35:49 AM EST
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Where are we supposed to bring this certificate and our guns? Local PD, State Police, DPS?

Edit: Also FTF sales were legal before April 4, 2013, with no paperwork, right? How is that going to be handled?
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Posted: 4/5/2013 9:35:57 AM EST
Originally Posted By sbhaven:
Yep that "submit proof" in addition to "one of the following: a DPS-3" will be a problem for more than a few people, especially if they are sticklers on it.

Also missing from the form is the fact that the bill stated they were supposed to add a section for LCM's on it.

Sec. 24
(b) In addition to the application form prescribed under subsection (a) of this section, the department shall design or amend the application forms for a certificate of possession for an assault weapon under section 53-202d of the general statutes, as amended by this act, or for a permit to carry a pistol or revolver under section 29-28a of the general statutes, a long gun eligibility certificate under section 2 of this act, an eligibility certificate for a pistol or revolver under section 29-36f of the general statutes, as amended by this act, or any renewal of such permit or certificate to permit an applicant to declare possession of a large capacity magazine pursuant to this section upon the same application.


Fun times ahead...


That is a good catch. If you have a BX-25 magazine, it is not being used in an AW. So does the law require that you register your 10/22 as an AW jsut so you can declare the magazine? Charlie Foxtrot.
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Posted: 4/5/2013 9:37:21 AM EST
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Just looked. They updated the form.


Type or print all information in both sections. (Must be legible or it will be returned)
Submit proof that you purchased this weapon on or prior to April 4, 2013 in addition to one of the following: a DPS-3, or sworn affidavit that the
specified assault weapon was purchased in compliance with state and federal laws.
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Posted: 4/5/2013 9:38:44 AM EST
Originally Posted By LibertyUberAlles:
Originally Posted By sbhaven:
Yep that "submit proof" in addition to "one of the following: a DPS-3" will be a problem for more than a few people, especially if they are sticklers on it.

Also missing from the form is the fact that the bill stated they were supposed to add a section for LCM's on it.

Sec. 24
(b) In addition to the application form prescribed under subsection (a) of this section, the department shall design or amend the application forms for a certificate of possession for an assault weapon under section 53-202d of the general statutes, as amended by this act, or for a permit to carry a pistol or revolver under section 29-28a of the general statutes, a long gun eligibility certificate under section 2 of this act, an eligibility certificate for a pistol or revolver under section 29-36f of the general statutes, as amended by this act, or any renewal of such permit or certificate to permit an applicant to declare possession of a large capacity magazine pursuant to this section upon the same application.


Fun times ahead...


That is a good catch. If you have a BX-25 magazine, it is not being used in an AW. So does the law require that you register your 10/22 as an AW jsut so you can declare the magazine? Charlie Foxtrot.


They are going to have to have an LCM only form or something due to all the LCM handgun that will NOT be registered.

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Posted: 4/5/2013 9:42:30 AM EST
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Originally Posted By mosstach:
Just looked. They updated the form.


Type or print all information in both sections. (Must be legible or it will be returned)
Submit proof that you purchased this weapon on or prior to April 4, 2013 in addition to one of the following: a DPS-3, or sworn affidavit that the
specified assault weapon was purchased in compliance with state and federal laws.



still not really a feasible request.

it should read:

Submit proof that you possessed this weapon on or prior to April 4, 2013 via one of the following: a DPS-3, or sworn affidavit that the
specified assault weapon was obtained in compliance with state and federal laws.
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Posted: 4/5/2013 9:43:15 AM EST
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Multi going in every caliber box... or a list of every caliber you can stuff through an AR mag well.

ETA: Since they wont be selling many guns I would not mind paying my dealers to dig up and confirm proof for any I can't find.
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Posted: 4/5/2013 9:49:03 AM EST
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Shit,
I purchased a firearm from Forest and Field over 5 years ago they are out of business how do I get proof that I bought it from them.The state has on file it was transfered from them to me.
And what about the guys who did FTF transfers or were gifted firearms.
These ass clowns know what was purchased and when (If done through a gunshop/FFL ).
Fuck them for making everyone jump through hoops.

And to bitch a little more because I want to...Why the fuck should I give them my SSN# they will have my Pistol Permit(I assume theat is Operators #) I dont put it on any form when purchasing a firearm why does it have to be on this form.
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Posted: 4/5/2013 9:52:03 AM EST
Originally Posted By LibertyUberAlles:
That is a good catch. If you have a BX-25 magazine, it is not being used in an AW. So does the law require that you register your 10/22 as an AW jsut so you can declare the magazine? Charlie Foxtrot.


Actually, I looked at the law and it looks like we both missed something. Section 24(a) requires declaration of an LCM

(a) Any person who lawfully possesses a large capacity magazine prior to January 1, 2014, shall apply by January 1, 2014, . . . to the state to the Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection to declare possession of such magazine. Such application shall be made on such form or in such manner as the Commissioner of Emergency Services and Public Protection prescribes.

Section 24(b) provides the language about forms but the first couple of lines are important (things in brackets are my comments):

(b) In addition to the application form prescribed under subsection (a) of this section [that is the LCM declaration], the department shall design or amend the application forms [plural] for a certificate of possession for an assault weapon under section 53-202d of the general statutes, as amended by this act, or for a permit to carry a pistol or revolver under section 29-28a of the general statutes, a long gun eligibility certificate under section 2 of this act, an eligibility certificate for a pistol or revolver under section 29-36f of the general statutes, as amended by this act, or any renewal of such permit or certificate to permit an applicant to declare possession of a large capacity magazine pursuant to this section upon the same application.

So it looks like you will be able to declare LCMs separately or on an AW application (i.e. "in addition to").
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Posted: 4/5/2013 9:53:16 AM EST
Originally Posted By jasonusvi:
Multi going in every caliber box... or a list of every caliber you can stuff through an AR mag well.


Absolutely critical.
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I'm so fucking confused. All of my ARs started life as a stripped lower. All bought pre 4/4/2013. When I fill out this certificate do I-
•Just list the lower's S/N or the complete configuration?
•Can I print this form off and mail it in, or do I have to drag all my guns somewhere?
•Is a sworn affidavit the easiest way to prove I purchased before 4/4?
•How the hell do I obtain a sworn affadavit?
•Who fingerprints me the local PD?
•Can someone once and for all tell me if I'm allowed to have an adjustable stock now or these soon to be registered AW's, I heard about 10 yes' and 10 no's

Please someone smarter than I help me before I have a fucking stroke
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Posted: 4/5/2013 10:14:35 AM EST
OK, first Breath

This is only day 1 (after the signing) it is going to take time, and we have plenty.

I think the best thing for everyone is to get off the .net this weekend and go out and enjoy yourselves.

The only thing you have to concern yourself with right now is to only have 10rds in your carry gun OUTSIDE your home.

Don't worry, this will all be worked out.
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Originally Posted By jtdam24:
I'm so fucking confused. All of my ARs started life as a stripped lower. All bought pre 4/4/2013. When I fill out this certificate do I-
•Just list the lower's S/N or the complete configuration?

According to the current form, a description of the configuration is not required

Originally Posted By jtdam24:
•Can I print this form off and mail it in, or do I have to drag all my guns somewhere?

Neither the law nor the form provides clarity on this yet.

Originally Posted By jtdam24:
•Is a sworn affidavit the easiest way to prove I purchased before 4/4?

I am not giving you legal advice but my opinion is yes.

Originally Posted By jtdam24:
•How the hell do I obtain a sworn affadavit?

I am not giving you legal advice but my opinion is that they are easy to make. I am sure you will see an example pop up soon -- and in any event prior to 1/1/2014.

Originally Posted By jtdam24:
•Who fingerprints me the local PD?

While the law is silent on that, the form includes an affirmation that the "fingerprint is true and correct." That implies that you can do it yourself but do not be surprised if it gets rejected and they say "come on down so we can do it."

Originally Posted By jtdam24:
•Can someone once and for all tell me if I'm allowed to have an adjustable stock now or these soon to be registered AW's, I heard about 10 yes' and 10 no's

I am not publicizing an opinion on that yet but sit tight while the legislature completes its session.

Originally Posted By jtdam24:
Please someone smarter than I help me before I have a fucking stroke


It's a big shit sandwich and we all have to take a bite. More answers will come in the next few months. For now, just remember to download your mags when you leave your house and keep your rifles in their current configurations.
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Posted: 4/5/2013 10:18:59 AM EST
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The only thing you have to concern yourself with right now is to only have 10rds in your carry gun OUTSIDE your home.

Why? Where in the bill does it mention one is forced to carry 10 rounds outside their home when the bill was signed into law? Have you "declared possession" of your LCM under Sec. 24 of the bill/Public Act No. 13-3?

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The form indicates (ETA: IMPLIES) that you have to go down to the police with your weapon so they can verify the information you put on the form - or that is how I interpret the "verifying officers signature" block -

Guess a notary public can do a sworn affadavit?

Local PD can take the prints, or it's probably done when you go down to have the police verify the info on the form.

Unbelieveable. America 2013 (although this happened in CT before. I am from NH - never went through this BS before)

I bought my HK USC in NH years ago - that is problematic -
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Posted: 4/5/2013 10:25:02 AM EST
Originally Posted By mjm1:
The form indicates that you have to go down to the police with your weapon so they can verify the information you rput on the form


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Where does it say that?
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