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The knife thread in GD got me reading and thinking...

Sec. 53-206. Carrying of dangerous weapons prohibited. (a) Any person who carries upon his or her person any BB. gun, blackjack, metal or brass knuckles, or any dirk knife, or any switch knife, or any knife having an automatic spring release device by which a blade is released from the handle, having a blade of over one and one-half inches in length, or stiletto, or any knife the edged portion of the blade of which is four inches or more in length, any police baton or nightstick, or any martial arts weapon or electronic defense weapon, as defined in section 53a-3, or any other dangerous or deadly weapon or instrument, shall be fined not more than five hundred dollars or imprisoned not more than three years or both. Whenever any person is found guilty of a violation of this section, any weapon or other instrument within the provisions of this section, found upon the body of such person, shall be forfeited to the municipality wherein such person was apprehended, notwithstanding any failure of the judgment of conviction to expressly impose such forfeiture.

(b) The provisions of this section shall not apply to (1) any officer charged with the preservation of the public peace while engaged in the pursuit of such officer's official duties; (2) the carrying of a baton or nightstick by a security guard while engaged in the pursuit of such guard's official duties; (3) the carrying of a knife, the edged portion of the blade of which is four inches or more in length, by (A) any member of the armed forces of the United States, as defined in section 27-103, or any reserve component thereof, or of the armed forces of the state, as defined in section 27-2, when on duty or going to or from duty, (B) any member of any military organization when on parade or when going to or from any place of assembly, (C) any person while transporting such knife as merchandise or for display at an authorized gun or knife show, (D) any person who is found with any such knife concealed upon one's person while lawfully removing such person's household goods or effects from one place to another, or from one residence to another, (E) any person while actually and peaceably engaged in carrying any such knife from such person's place of abode or business to a place or person where or by whom such knife is to be repaired, or while actually and peaceably returning to such person's place of abode or business with such knife after the same has been repaired, (F) any person holding a valid hunting, fishing or trapping license issued pursuant to chapter 490 or any salt water fisherman carrying such knife for lawful hunting, fishing or trapping activities, or (G) any person while participating in an authorized historic reenactment; (4) the carrying by any person enrolled in or currently attending, or an instructor at, a martial arts school of a martial arts weapon while in a class or at an authorized event or competition or while transporting such weapon to or from such class, event or competition; (5) the carrying of a BB. gun by any person taking part in a supervised event or competition of the Boy Scouts of America or the Girl Scouts of America or in any other authorized event or competition while taking part in such event or competition or while transporting such weapon to or from such event or competition; and (6) the carrying of a BB. gun by any person upon such person's own property or the property of another person provided such other person has authorized the carrying of such weapon on such property, and the transporting of such weapon to or from such property.






Both (b) (1) and (b) (2) specifically say "engaged in the pursuit" while (b)(3) does not have such a restriction.

Therefore it seems to me that if you have a valid hunting/trapping license you could carry a +4" knife at any given time, provided there is at least one season open on that day. This would exclude Sunday (no hunting allowed) unless you also have a fishing license.

"Why do you have a 12" KaBar on you, son?"
-Well officer, after I'm done doing what I'm doing I'm hunting/fishing for _________ .

Am I reading this right? Can I go all "Rambo" around town and simply say "I'm hunting/fishing"? Should I open carry or conceal carry? does Dolly Parton sleep on her back?



JAD, thoughts?



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If I had the need to carry a 12" knife, I'd probably just do it and not give it much thought.

But id be more worried about looking like a tool than looking like a criminal.

My policy on knife fights is to bring a gun to one. Knives in the hands of criminals scare me more than guns. They offer classes in prison on how to use them. I don't fight with knives. That's a sport for guidos and criminals. I'd honestly rather carry a claw hammer.

I'm honestly a little worried about how we are going to eventually loop dildos into the discussion.
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Originally Posted By DanTSX:
If I had the need to carry a 12" knife, I'd probably just do it and not give it much thought.

But id be more worried about looking like a tool than looking like a criminal.

My policy on knife fights is to bring a gun to one. Knives in the hands of criminals scare me more than guns. They offer classes in prison on how to use them. I don't fight with knives. That's a sport for guidos and criminals. I'd honestly rather carry a claw hammer.

I'm honestly a little worried about how we are going to eventually loop dildos into the discussion.


They make a good bayonet sheath!
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Originally Posted By pedorrero79:
Originally Posted By DanTSX:
If I had the need to carry a 12" knife, I'd probably just do it and not give it much thought.

But id be more worried about looking like a tool than looking like a criminal.

My policy on knife fights is to bring a gun to one. Knives in the hands of criminals scare me more than guns. They offer classes in prison on how to use them. I don't fight with knives. That's a sport for guidos and criminals. I'd honestly rather carry a claw hammer.

I'm honestly a little worried about how we are going to eventually loop dildos into the discussion.


They make a good bayonet sheath!


Lol yes!

Are beltswords legal?

How about a whip. Can I carry a whip?

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Originally Posted By DanTSX:
Originally Posted By pedorrero79:
Originally Posted By DanTSX:
If I had the need to carry a 12" knife, I'd probably just do it and not give it much thought.

But id be more worried about looking like a tool than looking like a criminal.

My policy on knife fights is to bring a gun to one. Knives in the hands of criminals scare me more than guns. They offer classes in prison on how to use them. I don't fight with knives. That's a sport for guidos and criminals. I'd honestly rather carry a claw hammer.

I'm honestly a little worried about how we are going to eventually loop dildos into the discussion.


They make a good bayonet sheath!


Lol yes!

Are beltswords legal?

How about a whip. Can I carry a whip?


Well, you are already @^$$~ whipped so why not?
Originally posted by: 2theLeft

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Originally Posted By Andrapos:

Originally Posted By DanTSX:
Originally Posted By pedorrero79:
Originally Posted By DanTSX:
If I had the need to carry a 12" knife, I'd probably just do it and not give it much thought.

But id be more worried about looking like a tool than looking like a criminal.

My policy on knife fights is to bring a gun to one. Knives in the hands of criminals scare me more than guns. They offer classes in prison on how to use them. I don't fight with knives. That's a sport for guidos and criminals. I'd honestly rather carry a claw hammer.

I'm honestly a little worried about how we are going to eventually loop dildos into the discussion.


They make a good bayonet sheath!


Lol yes!

Are beltswords legal?

How about a whip. Can I carry a whip?


Well, you are already @^$$~ whipped so why not?


Huh?

I'm the least pussy whipped person that you know.
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Originally Posted By Andrapos:

Originally Posted By DanTSX:
Originally Posted By pedorrero79:
Originally Posted By DanTSX:
If I had the need to carry a 12" knife, I'd probably just do it and not give it much thought.

But id be more worried about looking like a tool than looking like a criminal.

My policy on knife fights is to bring a gun to one. Knives in the hands of criminals scare me more than guns. They offer classes in prison on how to use them. I don't fight with knives. That's a sport for guidos and criminals. I'd honestly rather carry a claw hammer.

I'm honestly a little worried about how we are going to eventually loop dildos into the discussion.


They make a good bayonet sheath!


Lol yes!

Are beltswords legal?

How about a whip. Can I carry a whip?


Well, you are already @^$$~ whipped so why not?




Don't worry, Dan, it's my theme song, too...
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Originally Posted By Andrapos:

Originally Posted By DanTSX:
Originally Posted By pedorrero79:
Originally Posted By DanTSX:
If I had the need to carry a 12" knife, I'd probably just do it and not give it much thought.

But id be more worried about looking like a tool than looking like a criminal.

My policy on knife fights is to bring a gun to one. Knives in the hands of criminals scare me more than guns. They offer classes in prison on how to use them. I don't fight with knives. That's a sport for guidos and criminals. I'd honestly rather carry a claw hammer.

I'm honestly a little worried about how we are going to eventually loop dildos into the discussion.


They make a good bayonet sheath!


Lol yes!

Are beltswords legal?

How about a whip. Can I carry a whip?


Well, you are already @^$$~ whipped so why not?


What's this I hear about an Indiana Jones costume?
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Originally Posted By pedorrero79:
Originally Posted By Andrapos:

Originally Posted By DanTSX:
Originally Posted By pedorrero79:
Originally Posted By DanTSX:
If I had the need to carry a 12" knife, I'd probably just do it and not give it much thought.

But id be more worried about looking like a tool than looking like a criminal.

My policy on knife fights is to bring a gun to one. Knives in the hands of criminals scare me more than guns. They offer classes in prison on how to use them. I don't fight with knives. That's a sport for guidos and criminals. I'd honestly rather carry a claw hammer.

I'm honestly a little worried about how we are going to eventually loop dildos into the discussion.


They make a good bayonet sheath!


Lol yes!

Are beltswords legal?

How about a whip. Can I carry a whip?


Well, you are already @^$$~ whipped so why not?


What's this I hear about an Indiana Jones costume?

It was the whole enchilada but that year some guy in a Bender costume won.
Originally posted by: 2theLeft

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Originally Posted By Andrapos:

Originally Posted By pedorrero79:
Originally Posted By Andrapos:

Originally Posted By DanTSX:
Originally Posted By pedorrero79:
Originally Posted By DanTSX:
If I had the need to carry a 12" knife, I'd probably just do it and not give it much thought.

But id be more worried about looking like a tool than looking like a criminal.

My policy on knife fights is to bring a gun to one. Knives in the hands of criminals scare me more than guns. They offer classes in prison on how to use them. I don't fight with knives. That's a sport for guidos and criminals. I'd honestly rather carry a claw hammer.

I'm honestly a little worried about how we are going to eventually loop dildos into the discussion.


They make a good bayonet sheath!


Lol yes!

Are beltswords legal?

How about a whip. Can I carry a whip?


Well, you are already @^$$~ whipped so why not?


What's this I hear about an Indiana Jones costume?

It was the whole enchilada but that year some guy in a Bender costume won.


Was that year Bender or Beaker?
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Posted: 5/24/2012 4:38:33 PM
Originally Posted By pedorrero79:
Originally Posted By Andrapos:

Originally Posted By DanTSX:
Originally Posted By pedorrero79:
Originally Posted By DanTSX:
If I had the need to carry a 12" knife, I'd probably just do it and not give it much thought.

But id be more worried about looking like a tool than looking like a criminal.

My policy on knife fights is to bring a gun to one. Knives in the hands of criminals scare me more than guns. They offer classes in prison on how to use them. I don't fight with knives. That's a sport for guidos and criminals. I'd honestly rather carry a claw hammer.

I'm honestly a little worried about how we are going to eventually loop dildos into the discussion.


They make a good bayonet sheath!


Lol yes!

Are beltswords legal?

How about a whip. Can I carry a whip?


Well, you are already @^$$~ whipped so why not?


What's this I hear about an Indiana Jones costume?


Indiana Jones costume? I thought dan was planning on moonlighting in domination.
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Originally Posted By DanTSX:
Originally Posted By Andrapos:

Originally Posted By pedorrero79:
Originally Posted By Andrapos:

Originally Posted By DanTSX:
Originally Posted By pedorrero79:
Originally Posted By DanTSX:
If I had the need to carry a 12" knife, I'd probably just do it and not give it much thought.

But id be more worried about looking like a tool than looking like a criminal.

My policy on knife fights is to bring a gun to one. Knives in the hands of criminals scare me more than guns. They offer classes in prison on how to use them. I don't fight with knives. That's a sport for guidos and criminals. I'd honestly rather carry a claw hammer.

I'm honestly a little worried about how we are going to eventually loop dildos into the discussion.


They make a good bayonet sheath!


Lol yes!

Are beltswords legal?

How about a whip. Can I carry a whip?


Well, you are already @^$$~ whipped so why not?


What's this I hear about an Indiana Jones costume?

It was the whole enchilada but that year some guy in a Bender costume won.


Was that year Bender or Beaker?


Definitely Beaker.

Jolly Green Giant FTW!

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Oh please oh please tell me you 2 are gonna engage in a 'sword fight'!
I would never join a club that would have me as a member.
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Originally Posted By cavgunner:
Oh please oh please tell me you 2 are gonna engage in a 'sword fight'!

Possibly but there will not be any docking unless Matthardcore shows up as the receiver.
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I was going to post my lengthy reply earlier, but I lost my wall of text.

(As you read this, remember that I am not a lawyer and I am not presenting this as legal advice.
My intention is for this post to be a sort of academic dialogue only)

Think for a moment about the two "official use" exclusions that you cited- one exemots peace
officers carrying (any) dangerous weapon in the course of their official duties. The other
exempts security guards carrying police batons in the course of thier official duties. The
duty condition clearly designates that the exemption is intended to be occupational in nature-
to facilitate an individual in one of those positions carrying out the duties associated therewith.
The exemptions are not intended to create a superior class of persons, thus a caste if you
may, whereunder an individual may realize personal benefit based on their employmenty status
through an exemption that is intended to be occupational. Hence why Connecticut has comparable
verbiage in the LE exemption to the exemption section for carrying a pistol without a permit.
(Under CT state law, a peace officer must have a permit to carry off duty- there haven't been any cases to see how a Connecticut resident/ Connecticut LEO might be handled under LEOSA yet- I know that by CSP rules, a retiree needs to have a CT permit to qualify for LEOSA authorization). However, pondering
those exemptions I left myself with even more questions and puzzlement. Take security guards
for example- not that I have ever seen one carry a police baton here in CT. However, I have
known several individuals in that line of work, and I am aware that they tend to go from home
directly to their posting- they don't stop to punch-in or get a uniform/gear and then travel to the
jobsite on the clock. Might that travel from home to the jobsite (and back at the end of shift)
be protected? I'm not quite sure- under many, if not all circumstances, both they and their employer
would want to seperate the travel to the jobsite (and anything the employee does prior to
punch-in) from what they do on the job- though one wonders if there isn't an argument that getting
to the jobsite is component to the official duties- though the individual in question is clearly
off the clock. IN some instances it may be more or less practical than others to keep the baton at the jobsite.
Then consider the peace officer example. In some departments, my understanding is
that there clearly defined policies regarding when an individual may use police powers (and/or
wear uniforms, drive dept vehicles, etc...) [I have seen posts by certain LEOs in GD from large departments
that seem to suggest an officer in their dept may be in trouble for using police powers when not
on the beat, do to admin fear of labor violation/ union issues- though they are theoretically sworn 24/7] I have also read that there are departments that are
more lax and/or have policies that are more permissive (or in some instances expectations that
an officer will be on duty/ use police power even when not on the beat. (Doesn't CSP require
Troopers who drive state vehicles off duty to engage in enforcement activity 'off duty' if they see something while
driving the state vehicle??? -I thought that I read that somewhere). Though it should be easy enough for an officer to avoid
a mess by leaving his stick, TASER and any other dangerous weapons in his locker- one must wonder if
that transit home could too be protected- especially if they are in a department that permits or requires
officers to use police powers even when they aren't on shift... I can't help but wonder exactly how that may play out.
Then I think towards that military exemption, which leaves much less to the interpretation. It is
very clear. On duty, and going to/from duty- and the service member is covered. Cut and dry- no (or little)
room for interpretation.

Back to the question at hand. The hunting/fishing/trapping exemption was added to the dangerous weapon law when the legislature
removed the ability for CLEOs and First Selectman to issue dangerous weapon permits. The intention was to facilitate
sportsmen's ability to carry long knives for use in the field while engaged in their respective activities. (Note that with limited
exemptions for party boats, saltwater anglers too now require licensure, though they did not
when the exemption was written, to be legal) Obviously, the listed sportsmen have a legitimate right and
necessity to carry the long knife in the field while engaged in their respective sport(s).
However, I believe that the legislature left room for more broad interpetation to cover the reality that
sportsmen do not magically appear in the field. The have to get there- either by vehicle (there is a comparable exemption in 29-38) or by some
other means. Doing such is not typically a direct A to B affair. It is not uncommon for hunters, trappers, and anglers to do various things like stop for supplies, bait,
food, beverage, fuel, to get/drop members of their party, bring fish/ game to butcher or taxidermist, etc... on their way
to or from the field. There are also times when a hunter may need to use the knife when they are not hunting per-se
but are outside the perview of the protection afforded individuals in their place of residence
(for example, butchering a deer in the back yard or in a common area of a multi-family building)
Some sportsmen may hunt, fish, or check the trapline (remember they must check min 1x every 24h) for a couple of hours before or after work.
Clearly, I believe, the legislature recognized that reality and wanted to account for it, but
without allowing to broad of a permission to carry a dangerous weapon on a license obtainable by only paying
a token fee, by any person, including those who clearly would never have been considered suitable to carry any weapon before.

The hunting/ fishing/ trapping license was not intended to become the dangerous-weapon/ knife license. I believe
that individual enforcement would vary depending on the individual officer, his/her training, experiences, and the totality
of the situation that he or she encountered. I believe that somebody with a fishing license walking to/ from the direction of a lake/ river access with a rod and a long knife in his possession would be treated very differntly than
an individual with a fishing license, who is shopping (nowhere near a fishing area) with a long knife on their side and fishing equipment
in their possession that consists of a six inch string and hook tucked in their wallet.

In the end, it is also possible that an individual may beat the rap but not the ride. Around the same time that the legislature added the exemption
for certain sportsmen (but clearly left out hikers, campers, and several other potnetially legitimate users), they also removed a line from the definition
section that defined butterfly knives as per-se dangerous weapons. As recently as 3 or so years ago, I can recall an arrest involving an individual carrying (what I believe to have been)
an otehrwise not-illegal knife (unless they were carrying it with some sort of unlawful intent that qualified it as a prosecuteable weapon). Ultimately, that specific case dropped from the docket. I know that there wasn't a conviction- but
I'm not sure if the non-conviction was the result of a nolle pros or if it was dismissed by successful completion of a diversionary program.

The other interesting thing is that there is no exemption for transporting a dangerous-weapon from place of purchase to place of business or residence,
as there is for a handgun (an individual without a permit to carry may transport a handgun in a specified manner from place of purchase to residence).
The closest thing to such an exemption is for knives that are gun/knife show merchandise. So, might the licensed sportsma who is taking a long knife home from (say WALMART) for
later licensed sporting use be protected by the exemption? I AM NOT QUITE SURE.
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JAD, thanks for your input, it is pretty much what I expected. I have all of the hunting/trapping/fishing licenses so I am good to go

53-206 is very specific and is restricted to the act of carrying a dangerous weapon on ones person and does not address the act of transporting: "Any person who carries upon his or her person any _x_x_x_x_"

29-38 addresses "Weapons in vehicles" and there is an exception (F) for those who hold a valid hunting/trapping/fishing license. The law also provides an exception for someone transporting the knife as merchandise (C) and this same exception also permits the transportation for display purposes at an authorized gun/knife show. These are two different exceptions under the same subsection, separated by "or" - the merchandise does not necessarily have to be from a gun/knife show because of how the exceptions are separated.

There is no exception for someone who buys a +4" knife, returns home, and then at some later point in time transports it to their friend's house to show it off. Now, if the original purchaser takes it to their friend's house with the intent to sell it, it could possibly be considered "merchandise" but I won't be the test case for that.

Sec. 29-38. Weapons in vehicles. Penalty. Exceptions. (a) Any person who knowingly has, in any vehicle owned, operated or occupied by such person, any weapon, any pistol or revolver for which a proper permit has not been issued as provided in section 29-28 or any machine gun which has not been registered as required by section 53-202, shall be fined not more than one thousand dollars or imprisoned not more than five years or both, and the presence of any such weapon, pistol or revolver, or machine gun in any vehicle shall be prima facie evidence of a violation of this section by the owner, operator and each occupant thereof. The word "weapon", as used in this section, means any BB. gun, any blackjack, any metal or brass knuckles, any police baton or nightstick, any dirk knife or switch knife, any knife having an automatic spring release device by which a blade is released from the handle, having a blade of over one and one-half inches in length, any stiletto, any knife the edged portion of the blade of which is four inches or more in length, any martial arts weapon or electronic defense weapon, as defined in section 53a-3, or any other dangerous or deadly weapon or instrument.

(b) The provisions of this section shall not apply to: (1) Any officer charged with the preservation of the public peace while engaged in the pursuit of such officer's official duties; (2) any security guard having a baton or nightstick in a vehicle while engaged in the pursuit of such guard's official duties; (3) any person enrolled in and currently attending a martial arts school, with official verification of such enrollment and attendance, or any certified martial arts instructor, having any such martial arts weapon in a vehicle while traveling to or from such school or to or from an authorized event or competition; (4) any person having a BB. gun in a vehicle provided such weapon is unloaded and stored in the trunk of such vehicle or in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console; and (5) any person having a knife, the edged portion of the blade of which is four inches or more in length, in a vehicle if such person is (A) any member of the armed forces of the United States, as defined in section 27-103, or any reserve component thereof, or of the armed forces of the state, as defined in section 27-2, when on duty or going to or from duty, (B) any member of any military organization when on parade or when going to or from any place of assembly, (C) any person while transporting such knife as merchandise or for display at an authorized gun or knife show, (D) any person while lawfully removing such person's household goods or effects from one place to another, or from one residence to another, (E) any person while actually and peaceably engaged in carrying any such knife from such person's place of abode or business to a place or person where or by whom such knife is to be repaired, or while actually and peaceably returning to such person's place of abode or business with such knife after the same has been repaired, (F) any person holding a valid hunting, fishing or trapping license issued pursuant to chapter 490 or any salt water fisherman while having such knife in a vehicle for lawful hunting, fishing or trapping activities, or (G) any person participating in an authorized historic reenactment.


ETA:
My only remaining question is "open or concealed carry?"

Originally posted by: 2theLeft

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Posted: 5/24/2012 8:39:59 PM
One of the things that doesn't necessarily come out in my written posts is the thoughts that underly what
I write. Except where I may have made specific reference to transport in a motor vehicle (I b
believe that I may have made one or two references) my use of the term was synonomous with possession
upon or about the body- primarily based on my own personal practice/ experiences. In my youth,
I often made my way to the field by methods that didn't qualify as motor vehicles. Secondly, though I did
use the term transport, it is possible for an individual to be in a position where they could
be subject to arrest/ prosecution for 53-206 AND 29-38 (weapon on/about person in motor vehicle). I know
when I hit the field, I tend to already have my knife on my belt (though usually I don't carry a 4" or greater
edged blade) along with certain other pieces of gear. I hope that puts some of my word choice into
perspective.

As it stands, many of the same thought patterns and questions are applicable to vehicle
situations and on-person situations.

Good catch on the OR word in the merchandise clause. I have questions about how broad the
merchandise clause may be (does it extend to occasional disposal of personal property, or does
in this instance, it require the item to be one purchased and held as inventory with the intention of resale) [or
in-transit as merchandise- e.g. from a walmart distribution center to a retail store in the back of a cargo truck]
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Posted: 5/25/2012 2:44:55 PM
Can I carry this? It's a .38 special KNIFE GUN.


Bought this several years ago, about 35 were made. This one has my last name as part of the serial number...


Talk about an assault weapon
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Originally Posted By har1340:
Can I carry this? It's a .38 special KNIFE GUN.
http://i45.tinypic.com/2ztc775.jpg

Bought this several years ago, about 35 were made. This one has my last name as part of the serial number...


Talk about an assault weapon


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Thats real cool. I want one.
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Originally Posted By har1340:
Can I carry this? It's a .38 special KNIFE GUN.
http://i45.tinypic.com/2ztc775.jpg

Bought this several years ago, about 35 were made. This one has my last name as part of the serial number...


Talk about an assault weapon

Me like!

Go for it, it is a pistol
Originally posted by: 2theLeft

YMMV, just my $.02, +87, FUAROCK .45>9mm, 1911 >Glock, Chili has beans, opinions are like assholes.
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First order of business here for me..

HOW MUCH DO WE LOVE JOE?!

That Dude is awesome to commit that kind of time and effort to post his analysis on legal issue we face in this bassackwards state.

Thanks JAD, please come to the suppressor shoot, haven't chatted since the last time you came with your target stands.

OK, now, back to blades.

I regularly carried an Ontario 18" US Army Issue machete in my car with the rest of my trouble gear, i.e etool, flashlight, blanket, tool kit etc. I still regularly walk around my property with it clearing brush and pruning trees. How's that gonna shake out? For that matter a baseball bat in my car could be an issue. I guess you just carry a baseball and a glove with you.

Any knife over 4" carried is very cumbersome, I had/ have a decent knife collection, with at least 4 over 4". Mostly combat knives. How would they be construed as a sportsmen's knife? I regularly have an 8" filet knife n my car, with or with out my fly rod or my license present. I buy knives specifically for sticking them in people. I have a great affinity for knife fighting skills, DAN. You gotta get more urban brohan. Sharks Vs the Jets amigo. Its just another self defense skill I added when hand to hand combat training was a regular thing for me. Martial arts and knives are well married.

CQB with a blade is a practical skill, and easily accomplished. The proper quality folder is deadly.

Now the kicker for me. Hows about when I'm roasting a pig( feel free to make the obvious lewd comments), and I break out my awesome German 8" chefs knife to carve up said porcine delight? I have driven it across the state to pare my meaty smoked subjects. Without a 60 pound suckling pig riding in the back seat as cover ( good for HOV lanes BTW)

You gotta be a real bored, asshole LEO to give me a summons for that BS.

If someone breaks out a pic of an AIDS CANNONBLADE I will crap my self in laughter. Then again that .38 Special folder is pretty damn close.

I cant get over how stupid CT legislators are, I mean in Florida you can get a Sportsmans permit to carry a fucking handgun on your boat while fishing, forget a freakin filet knife.

I'm still in Georgia, I think its legal to drink and drive with an open beer can, and text while you are getting a hummer from an undocumented alien sex worker. With your headlights off in a rain storm.
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Originally Posted By cavgunner:

<snip>

If someone breaks out a pic of an AIDS CANNONBLADE I will crap my self in laughter. Then again that .38 Special folder is pretty damn close.

<snip>

Originally posted by: 2theLeft

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Originally Posted By cavgunner:
First order of business here for me..

HOW MUCH DO WE LOVE JOE?!

That Dude is awesome to commit that kind of time and effort to post his analysis on legal issue we face in this bassackwards state.

Thanks JAD, please come to the suppressor shoot, haven't chatted since the last time you came with your target stands.

OK, now, back to blades.

I regularly carried an Ontario 18" US Army Issue machete in my car with the rest of my trouble gear, i.e etool, flashlight, blanket, tool kit etc. I still regularly walk around my property with it clearing brush and pruning trees. How's that gonna shake out? For that matter a baseball bat in my car could be an issue. I guess you just carry a baseball and a glove with you.

Any knife over 4" carried is very cumbersome, I had/ have a decent knife collection, with at least 4 over 4". Mostly combat knives. How would they be construed as a sportsmen's knife? I regularly have an 8" filet knife n my car, with or with out my fly rod or my license present. I buy knives specifically for sticking them in people. I have a great affinity for knife fighting skills, DAN. You gotta get more urban brohan. Sharks Vs the Jets amigo. Its just another self defense skill I added when hand to hand combat training was a regular thing for me. Martial arts and knives are well married.

CQB with a blade is a practical skill, and easily accomplished. The proper quality folder is deadly.

Now the kicker for me. Hows about when I'm roasting a pig( feel free to make the obvious lewd comments), and I break out my awesome German 8" chefs knife to carve up said porcine delight? I have driven it across the state to pare my meaty smoked subjects. Without a 60 pound suckling pig riding in the back seat as cover ( good for HOV lanes BTW)

You gotta be a real bored, asshole LEO to give me a summons for that BS.

If someone breaks out a pic of an AIDS CANNONBLADE I will crap my self in laughter. Then again that .38 Special folder is pretty damn close.

I cant get over how stupid CT legislators are, I mean in Florida you can get a Sportsmans permit to carry a fucking handgun on your boat while fishing, forget a freakin filet knife.

I'm still in Georgia, I think its legal to drink and drive with an open beer can, and text while you are getting a hummer from an undocumented alien sex worker. With your headlights off in a rain storm.


I think that if you can get it so that it shoots bullets, it's okay to have then.
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Posted: 5/25/2012 11:35:16 PM
Originally Posted By Andrapos:

Originally Posted By cavgunner:

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If someone breaks out a pic of an AIDS CANNONBLADE I will crap my self in laughter. Then again that .38 Special folder is pretty damn close.

<snip>
http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx78/Andrapos/0302120852.jpg


I just changed my undies...holy crap that looks useless...

Dano, get the knife that shoots its blades out! Ballistic Knife

Note the laws on this were made for us to figure out a way to circumvent, CTHTF members forte.
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