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Posted: 12/6/2008 1:41:18 PM
[Last Edit: 12/6/2008 1:45:48 PM by CTbuilder1]
I don't think any documentation is required to say that your stock is pinned and the muzzle break is pinned and welded. Once you do either it will be very hard to reverse so pick the muzzle device that you want to keep on there for good and go with it. If you don't have a lower receiver in your possession you should have no problem having an upper with a threaded barrel or a collapsible stock. Let a buddy hold on to your lower while you get the other stuff straightened out and then put it all together.
Your delton kit will have a threaded barrel. Out of the options they offer I would go with the Phantom comp/brake. Otherwise I like the one I posted before. Big prcie difference though. |
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Posted: 12/15/2008 9:21:13 PM
[Last Edit: 12/15/2008 9:25:31 PM by YoungPatriot]
This may be interesting / useful for some here to see:
Below is an excerpt from a CT case where the court comments on the "type" designations in the CT ban. In searching, I wasn't able to find anything expressly articulating the narrow interpretation of those listed weapons NOT followed by "type". Nor did I find anywhere in the CT cases, a reference to the 53-202m that contains our coveted, non-specified pre-ban exception for firearms manufactured prior to September 13, 1994. Based on this, I am under the impression that the issue has never been litigated in court. I may have missed it if explained earlier in this thread, though does anyone know of an official interpretation / application of 53-202m or anything that explains the narrow statutory effect of the named firearms in 52-202a NOT followed by "type"? _____________________________ Appellate Court of Connecticut. STATE of Connecticut v. Robert KALMAN. No. 24788. Argued Oct. 12, 2005. Decided Jan. 10, 2006. . . . After designating all selective fire weapons as assault weapons, the legislature listed a number of specific semiautomatic weapons as assault weapons. Only three of the semiautomatic weapons specified in § 53-202a have the word “type” after the name. The word “type” is a general designation following the name of a very spe- cific automatic weapon. “[W]here a particular enumeration is followed by general descriptive words, the latter will be understood as limited in their scope to ... things of the same general kind or character as those specified in the particular enumeration.” (Internal quotation marks omitted.) Eastern Connecticut Cable Television, Inc. v. Montville, 180 Conn. 409, 413, 429 A.2d 905 (1980). The word “type” is not defined in the assault weapons statutes. “[W]here a statute does not define a term, it is appropriate to look to the common understanding of the term as expressed in a dictionary.” (Internal quota- tion marks omitted.) State v. Boyd, supra, 272 Conn. at 79 n. 5, 861 A.2d 1155. According to the American Her- itage Dictionary of the English Language (New College Ed.1981), the word “type” is defined as: “1. A group of persons or things sharing common traits or characteristics that distinguish them as an identifiable group or class; a kind; category.” Applying the rules of statutory construction, we conclude that the statutory term “Avtomat Kalashnikov AK-47 type” is clear and unambiguous. The only logical interpretation is one that encompasses semiautomatic weapons modeled after an AK-47. That definition would include those semiautomatic weapons that share common characteristics of the AK-47. That conclusion comports with the common and ordinary meaning of the word “type” and the rule of ejusdem generis. See Eastern Connecticut Cable Television, Inc. v. Montville, supra, 180 Conn. at 413, 429 A.2d 905. . . . _____________________________ |
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Posted: 12/15/2008 9:29:01 PM
There is no interpretation needed for listed weapons. If it is not followed by type then it is banned by name specifically. "FN FAL" - banned. "Colt AR15" - banned. "Franchi SPAS 12" - banned. A named weapon has no preban exemption. Doesn't matter when it was mfg'd if it is named it is banned. This is very cut and dry.
If you want a FAL you can have one provided it is not an "FN FAL" it can be a DSA FAL, a Century FAL, whatever. It can not be an FN. |
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Posted: 12/15/2008 9:32:44 PM
[Last Edit: 12/15/2008 9:34:32 PM by YoungPatriot]
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
There is no interpretation needed for listed weapons. If it is not followed by type then it is banned by name specifically. "FN FAL" - banned. "Colt AR15" - banned. "Franchi SPAS 12" - banned. A named weapon has no preban exemption. Doesn't matter when it was mfg'd if it is named it is banned. This is very cut and dry. If you want a FAL you can have one provided it is not an "FN FAL" it can be a DSA FAL, a Century FAL, whatever. It can not be an FN. Thanks CTBuilder - got what you mean and agree - just wondering now for sake of reference and peace of mind if this has ever been tested somewhere or verified by the state(i.e. like with the DPS confirmation that AK-74's are GTG, which I'm also looking for...). If I could find that I would bring a copy with me along with the statute in case I were ever challenged by an overzealous officer at the range. I get the sense there are a lot of LE's in state that think "those weapons" are illegal in general. |
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Posted: 12/15/2008 10:22:59 PM
[Last Edit: 12/16/2008 6:56:42 AM by Ryt2own]
Trust me.
All NON 7.62x39mm semi-auto Kalashnikov variants are okay, provided they are neutered. Need the evil features? Hunt down a pre 9/13/94 Norinco chambered in .223. I do not have a scanner, so I can't provide a copy of my letter, but I'm pretty sure CTbuilder1 has a copy to post. I always keep a copy of the AK74 letter and a copy of 53-202m in my range bag. BTW, Robert Kalman was the first to get arrested, followed soon thereafter by a a guy named Halden Boswell. Boswell actually went to trial first. This is where the three fold criteria for determining what is an AK "type",came up. Kalman, flashed a Maadi MISR at a bar, and Boswell ( a Jamaican with a BIG rap sheet) had a Bulgy SA-93 laying around during a domestic, and the assault weapon possession was a tacked on charge. Both rifles are neutered and they HAD BEEN Connecticut compliant until this point. IMHO, I think overzealous, prosecuting states attorneys with the help of a willing SLFU, came up with the new interpretation of "type", three fold criteria, "looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, is a duck" horsesh*t, just to make the weapons charges stick in both cases. All they saw was the chance to disarm and lock up two dangerous assh*les, and to hell with the repercussions it would cause to rest of us throughout the state. Who were we going to bitch to? The CSP, DICK Blumenthal, our courts? |
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Posted: 12/16/2008 4:42:24 PM
Yup, here you go:
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Posted: 12/16/2008 5:19:45 PM
Awesome. Thank you for posting that.
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Posted: 12/21/2008 6:44:36 PM
Question: I have The option to buy a pre ban never assembled eagle arms lower at a good price.Can this be assembled into a pre ban rifle here in ct.I here a lot of talk about it had to be a assembled rifle before the ban.But that is not what i am interpreting in ct. law.
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Posted: 12/21/2008 8:01:35 PM
Originally Posted By remlap61:
Question: I have The option to buy a pre ban never assembled eagle arms lower at a good price.Can this be assembled into a pre ban rifle here in ct.I here a lot of talk about it had to be a assembled rifle before the ban.But that is not what i am interpreting in ct. law. Yes, it can be assembled into a pre ban rifle. Have no worries. There are some who say that it had to be a complete rifle before the ban but that is not the case. |
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Posted: 12/21/2008 8:08:45 PM
Thanks that is what I wanted to hear.
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Posted: 1/7/2009 12:10:05 AM
I've read all the threads on this, but still don't get it - what/how does "the certificate of possession" apply to SAWs?
I have pre-ban AR lowers built M4orgerys prior to the AWB. While I understand that they pre-date the ban, reading 53-202d suggests to me that owning any pre-ban is only ok if I also have a certificate of possession for it, which I can't get now, as it is 2009. what am I not getting here? thanks for your help. |
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Posted: 1/7/2009 12:25:23 AM
Originally Posted By feersumdreadnot:
I've read all the threads on this, but still don't get it - what/how does "the certificate of possession" apply to SAWs? I have pre-ban AR lowers built M4orgerys prior to the AWB. While I understand that they pre-date the ban, reading 53-202d suggests to me that owning any pre-ban is only ok if I also have a certificate of possession for it, which I can't get now, as it is 2009. what am I not getting here? thanks for your help. Certificate of possession only applies to the weapons banned by name or select fire. Anything else that was manufactured before the cut-off date (including stripped lowers) is grandfathered in as preban. |
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Posted: 1/19/2009 3:17:49 PM
I have a pre-ban Bushmaster lower, serial #L057xxx, but I don't know if it left the factory as a complete rifle or not. I would like to know where I can read and verify, that I can have a (federal requirement)16' pre-ban upper on that lower, here in CT. Depending on who you speak with the answer seems to differ and I don't know why.
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Posted: 1/19/2009 8:15:53 PM
Originally Posted By dropd57: I have a pre-ban Bushmaster lower, serial #L057xxx, but I don't know if it left the factory as a complete rifle or not. I would like to know where I can read and verify, that I can have a (federal requirement)16' pre-ban upper on that lower, here in CT. Depending on who you speak with the answer seems to differ and I don't know why. Thanks Did you try calling Bushmaster? |
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Posted: 1/19/2009 8:25:17 PM
[Last Edit: 1/19/2009 8:25:42 PM by rgaper]
Originally Posted By dropd57: I have a pre-ban Bushmaster lower, serial #L057xxx, but I don't know if it left the factory as a complete rifle or not. I would like to know where I can read and verify, that I can have a (federal requirement)16' pre-ban upper on that lower, here in CT. Depending on who you speak with the answer seems to differ and I don't know why. Thanks Sounds illegal, you should get rid of it immediately. It's not worth anything, so just email me your address & I'll swing by to pick it up and take it out of state for you. I know, I'm a hell of a guy. ![]() Date of manufacture of lower receiver determines preban status in CT. Lower receiver is the firearm. You're not going to get this spelled out the way you want it. Read this thread as well as the others on the same topic that you can find if you search. |
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Posted: 1/19/2009 8:34:13 PM
An AR15 did not have to leave the factory as a complete rifle to be considered a preban. The lower receiver is the firearm. If the lower receiver was manufactured before 9.13.94 then it is a preban and you can put whatever kind of NFA compliant upper on it you want. That is the one and only answer you need to know. If anyone else tells you different they are wrong.
If you want to find out if your Bushmaster is a preban then call Bushmaster and ask them for the date of manufacture. Complete rifle or stripped lower it matters not. |
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Posted: 1/19/2009 8:49:00 PM
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1: An AR15 did not have to leave the factory as a complete rifle to be considered a preban. The lower receiver is the firearm. If the lower receiver was manufactured before 9.13.94 then it is a preban and you can put whatever kind of NFA compliant upper on it you want. That is the one and only answer you need to know. If anyone else tells you different they are wrong. If you want to find out if your Bushmaster is a preban then call Bushmaster and ask them for the date of manufacture. Complete rifle or stripped lower it matters not. What he said. AR15 lower receiver = firearm |
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Posted: 1/19/2009 9:51:55 PM
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
An AR15 did not have to leave the factory as a complete rifle to be considered a preban. The lower receiver is the firearm. If the lower receiver was manufactured before 9.13.94 then it is a preban and you can put whatever kind of NFA compliant upper on it you want. That is the one and only answer you need to know. If anyone else tells you different they are wrong. If you want to find out if your Bushmaster is a preban then call Bushmaster and ask them for the date of manufacture. Complete rifle or stripped lower it matters not. Thanks, I sent a email to Bushmaster requesting the manufacture date. One more question, in addition to being manufactured prior to 9/13/94, did it have to leave Bushmaster's factory prior to 9/13/94? |
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Posted: 1/19/2009 10:01:30 PM
Sec. 53-202m. Circumstances when assault weapons exempt from limitations on transfers and registration requirements. Notwithstanding any provision of the general statutes, sections 53-202a to 53-202l, inclusive, shall not be construed to limit the transfer or require the registration of an assault weapon as defined in subdivision (3) or (4) of subsection (a) of section 53-202a, provided such firearm was legally manufactured prior to September 13, 1994.
Statute only makes reference to the mfg date, doesn't say anything about leaving the factory. |
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Posted: 1/19/2009 10:08:40 PM
Thanks for info.
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Posted: 1/24/2009 4:26:19 PM
Bushmaster was fast getting back to me, the rifle is on the grandfather list. It shipped as a complete rifle 3/95. I feel a whole lot better now. Thanks for the info.
I however, wonder why so many rifles were parted out, assumably, keeping the uppers and selling the lowers. |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 9:11:55 PM
[Last Edit: 10/14/2009 9:12:15 PM by Fab5Freddy]
OK, this may have cropped up before, but I'll take the "No such thing as a stupid question" hit and maybe add something to the discussion.
Obviously relating to Connecticut residents, I have heard/seen chats about not owning pre-ban and post-ban "assault weapon" pieces. Let's say AR-15. If I have a complete pre-ban Eagle Arms and a complete post-ban Stag, would that not put me in violation as I can put the pre-ban upper with FH and BL with the post-ban lower in about 5 minutes, making an illegal AW. Of course, this only counts if you do something bad enough to get a search warrant against you, but you still have all the makings? If you sell the preban lower, but not the upper with flash hider and bayonet lug, you are screwed - but how about complete sets? I am sure from other topics here that CT residents have one (or some) of each (pre- & post-). Clarification? |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 9:22:26 PM
If you have a complete postban rifle and a complete preban rifle you would not be in violation of anything. If you had a preban configured upper around and had no preban lowers to go with it but you did have a postban lower or rifle then you would be pushing it. Granted that unless your home got raided no one would ever know.
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Posted: 10/20/2009 1:31:40 PM
I am all in for obeying the law but. What a bunch of Stupid Political Democrap Bullshit. All these bans on our guns is not going to solve a damn thing. Next thing you know my kid will not be able to have a BB gun because he"ll shoot your eye out kid? WTF? Again SPDB!
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Posted: 11/4/2009 12:08:30 PM
Is there anything on the books against an AR pistol?
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