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Posted: 10/30/2008 11:38:39 PM
Yeah. You can have a post ban configured Colt as well. It just can't be an "AR15" or "Sporter."
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Posted: 11/4/2008 2:39:08 PM
[Last Edit: 11/4/2008 2:39:30 PM by purpony]
this is a good "in plain englash" website
http://cybersmithblog.blogspot.com/2007/01/connecticut-ct-gun-laws-in-plain.html |
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Posted: 11/4/2008 5:33:03 PM
Originally Posted By purpony:
this is a good "in plain englash" website http://cybersmithblog.blogspot.com/2007/01/connecticut-ct-gun-laws-in-plain.html The preban info is ABSOLUTELY WRONG on that website. Otherwise it's not bad. |
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Posted: 11/4/2008 5:37:16 PM
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
Originally Posted By purpony:
this is a good "in plain englash" website http://cybersmithblog.blogspot.com/2007/01/connecticut-ct-gun-laws-in-plain.html The preban info is ABSOLUTELY WRONG on that website. Otherwise it's not bad. Yep, the whole last paragraph is just completely wrong... but if it keeps newbies from buying preban lowers, I like it.
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Posted: 11/15/2008 9:17:07 PM
I just smacked into CTs disarmament program today when I asked a local FFL dealer if I could transfer some AK receivers for me. Wow.
Most court challenges of these types of laws seem to revolve around the legality of individual ownership of firearms, but I wonder if anyone has pushed the 'well regulated Militia' bit. I mean, as a member of the militia as explicitly stated in US legal code, how am I supposed to uphold my end if some of the worlds most proven small arms are banned? (Not that I would be defenseless with my 30-06, but thats not the point) Its an interesting line of questioning... –––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––– Anyway, I understand that possession is supposedly a felony here in CT, but if anyone has any non-incriminating tips for a guy who would like to 'navigate' the laws here, please divulge. I'll be picking up some 556 lowers regardless, but my desire for an AK style weapon just skyrocketed because CT says I cant have one. |
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Posted: 11/16/2008 8:55:53 AM
Grab yourself any AK variant NOT chambered in 7.62x39mm, and that does not exceed the "evil"part count.
5.45x39mm, .223, .308, 7.62x54r, 8mm, .410, 20 & 12 gauges. All good here... for now. If evil features are a must, hunt down an old preban Norinco 84S series in .223. It's not like the CT AWB hasn't been challenged in court. It has been upheld as constitutional and a follow-up challenge was thrown out. |
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Posted: 11/16/2008 5:02:13 PM
[Last Edit: 11/16/2008 5:11:04 PM by SilV3RSix]
Originally Posted By Ryt2own:
Grab yourself any AK variant NOT chambered in 7.62x39mm, and that does not exceed the "evil"part count. 5.45x39mm, .223, .308, 7.62x54r, 8mm, .410, 20 & 12 gauges. All good here... for now. If evil features are a must, hunt down an old preban Norinco 84S series in .223. It's not like the CT AWB hasn't been challenged in court. It has been upheld as constitutional and a follow-up challenge was thrown out. That was the CT Supreme Court, and took place before the Federal Supreme Court struck down the DC handgun ban. I might add that the NRA was actively avoiding the US Supreme Court out of fear, so who knows what would have happened if they had the balls to push it up the chain. The basic finding of the US Supreme Court is that you cant just cross off a list of weapons that fall into a general category, which is exactly what the CT ban is. You don't have to give away the guns on the street corners, meaning red tape is Constitutional, but you cant just outlaw them for sale. Regardless, if you want to be honest about crime, handguns are used in criminal activitay way more than assault weapons are due to their concealability, etc. Even the Brady Campaigns page for reinstating the AWB is pathetically devoid of crimes committed with 'assault weapons'. If I were the trial lawyer, Id parade all 5000 CT national guard troops through the court and ask them to testify under oath what weapon they'd choose to defend themselves and the state. |
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Posted: 11/16/2008 7:12:37 PM
[Last Edit: 11/17/2008 7:40:09 PM by Ryt2own]
You are preaching to the choir. Can't argue with anything you have stated. Any AWB is as unconstitutional as hell, and should be tossed. That said, the CT supreme courts' ruling on Benjamin vs Bailey in 1995, is a prime example of the judicial system gone awry. It shows liberal, antigun, judges making laws from the bench, and twisting our constitution into knots, to get the desired outcome. Read the twisted convoluted excerpts from Benjamin v Bailey. It's pathetic and laughable.
I know this was 1995, and the thrown out challenge was in2003, but DICK Blumenthal is still here, and our highest court just found gay marriage in our constitution. How do you think a repeal the AWB would fair in their hands? |
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Posted: 11/16/2008 10:52:07 PM
Originally Posted By Ryt2own:
You are preaching to the quire. Can't argue with anything you have stated. Any AWB is as unconstitutional as hell, and should be tossed. That said, the CT supreme courts' ruling on Benjamin vs Bailey in 1995, is a prime example of the judicial system gone awry. It shows liberal, antigun, judges making laws from the bench, and twisting our constitution into knots, to get the desired outcome. Read the twisted convoluted excerpts from Benjamin v Bailey. It's pathetic and laughable. I know this was 1995, and the thrown out challenge was in2003, but DICK Blumenthal is still here, and our highest court just found gay marriage in our constitution. How do you think a repeal the AWB would fair in their hands? +1 Until we are rid of Blumenthal we have no chance. The only way he goes is if he runs for higher office. As in Governor or Senate. In either one of those offices I don't see him there for the long haul. As long as he stays the AG he is here for life. And even if he goes the chance is still slim. Unless the state makes a turn around the outcome is bleak. Not impossible but definitely an uphill battle. |
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Posted: 11/17/2008 5:32:39 PM
Originally Posted By Ryt2own:
You are preaching to the quire. Can't argue with anything you have stated. Any AWB is as unconstitutional as hell, and should be tossed. That said, the CT supreme courts' ruling on Benjamin vs Bailey in 1995, is a prime example of the judicial system gone awry. It shows liberal, antigun, judges making laws from the bench, and twisting our constitution into knots, to get the desired outcome. Read the twisted convoluted excerpts from Benjamin v Bailey. It's pathetic and laughable. I know this was 1995, and the thrown out challenge was in2003, but DICK Blumenthal is still here, and our highest court just found gay marriage in our constitution. How do you think a repeal the AWB would fair in their hands? As I understand it, the NRA actually tried to prevent the DC handgun ban from going to the US Supreme Court. Does anyone know if they tried to appeal the case you mentioned to the US SC, or did they chicken out? |
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Posted: 11/28/2008 3:38:00 PM
So my understanding of the ct ban is you can have a VZ 58 because ak type means taking an ak mag not shooting 7.62x39. The VZ shoots the same round but uses a different mag.
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Posted: 11/28/2008 11:11:12 PM
[Last Edit: 11/29/2008 8:35:58 AM by Ryt2own]
The vz58 and the vz2000 are CT legal because they fail the horsesh*t three fold criteria the CSP SLFU came up with. To the untrained eye they may look somewhat like an AK variant, and they are both gas operated. However, an AK variant and the vz58 CANNOT interchange parts. Two entirely different designs. The 7.62x39mm chambering is all the two designs have in common.
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Posted: 11/29/2008 4:59:47 AM
thank god russia saw that the czech republic made the best guns of the USSR! Only soviet republic that was allowed to make their own version. Same as the ak, but more complicated internals, and legal in the restricted state of connecticut!
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Posted: 12/3/2008 2:14:08 PM
Let me get this straight. I have a post ban lower receiver ( I bought it in 2007 ). So, the only thing then is the feature count? What about the barrel length? I was under the impression it had to be 16". Is this correct?
Also, by features, my rifle of course, will have a pistol grip and a detach. magazine. It will be a 16" m4 carbine with a fixed flash hider. Does this mean that right there is my limit of feature count items? Can I still have a magpul CTR stock? Is adjustable the same thing as collapsible or folding? If so, can I modify the stock so it doesn't move and be ok with the laww? Help!! I hate all this crap. Also, what is the situation in CT anyways? When the federal AWB expired, ours didn't? or did we have our laws or what? Thanks in advance. Rob |
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Posted: 12/3/2008 3:54:26 PM
Originally Posted By rexrob:
Let me get this straight. I have a post ban lower receiver ( I bought it in 2007 ). So, the only thing then is the feature count? What about the barrel length? I was under the impression it had to be 16". Is this correct? Also, by features, my rifle of course, will have a pistol grip and a detach. magazine. It will be a 16" m4 carbine with a fixed flash hider. Does this mean that right there is my limit of feature count items? Can I still have a magpul CTR stock? Is adjustable the same thing as collapsible or folding? If so, can I modify the stock so it doesn't move and be ok with the laww? Help!! I hate all this crap. Also, what is the situation in CT anyways? When the federal AWB expired, ours didn't? or did we have our laws or what? Thanks in advance. Rob Barrel legth is federally regulated, has nothing to do with CT law. Anything under 16" requires a tax stamp. On a post ban AR15 you are allowed (1) feature. That is usually the pistol grip. It can't have a collapsible or folding stock, no threaded barrel, no flash hider, no bayonet lug. Detachable magazine is not a feature it is a qualifier for feature count. If you have a perm attached flash hider and a pistol grip on a post ban AR in CT, you are in possesion of an illegal assault weapon. If you have a perm attached non flash suppressing muzzle break you are OK. |
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Posted: 12/3/2008 5:35:57 PM
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
Originally Posted By rexrob:
Let me get this straight. I have a post ban lower receiver ( I bought it in 2007 ). So, the only thing then is the feature count? What about the barrel length? I was under the impression it had to be 16". Is this correct? Also, by features, my rifle of course, will have a pistol grip and a detach. magazine. It will be a 16" m4 carbine with a fixed flash hider. Does this mean that right there is my limit of feature count items? Can I still have a magpul CTR stock? Is adjustable the same thing as collapsible or folding? If so, can I modify the stock so it doesn't move and be ok with the laww? Help!! I hate all this crap. Also, what is the situation in CT anyways? When the federal AWB expired, ours didn't? or did we have our laws or what? Thanks in advance. Rob Barrel legth is federally regulated, has nothing to do with CT law. Anything under 16" requires a tax stamp. On a post ban AR15 you are allowed (1) feature. That is usually the pistol grip. It can't have a collapsible or folding stock, no threaded barrel, no flash hider, no bayonet lug. Detachable magazine is not a feature it is a qualifier for feature count. If you have a perm attached flash hider and a pistol grip on a post ban AR in CT, you are in possesion of an illegal assault weapon. If you have a perm attached non flash suppressing muzzle break you are OK. Thanks for the update! Thankfully, I'm not in possession of anything except my Stag stripped lower receiver as I just cancelled my order from Delton until I can figure out what I'm gonna do. I really appreciate you taking the time to put in your 2 cents. How can I clarify what is and what is not a flash hider vs. a muzzle brake/compensator? For one thing, I am sure I have seen complete rifles with perm. affixed A2 flashhiders in place for sale recently in local gunshops. Personally, I was going to use a DPMS Panther with holes. Is that really a flash suppressor, or just a compensator or muzzle brake? Who gets to say? Do you think anything on the end of a barrel is going to count as a flash suppressor feature? or is there really an option that won't offend the CT statue? Also, what's your thought on taking an adjustable buttstock, specifically a Magpul CTR and making it unadjustable? I haven't had one in my hands yet but I'm sure it can be affixed to the buffer tube permanently via glue, a couple of machine screws or what have you... Thanks in advance again.. |
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Posted: 12/3/2008 5:43:12 PM
Just drill a hole through it and put a rollpin through it. That will make it legal. Also, if you want a nice CT legal muzzle brake, look into the one that the guys from JoJo's make. It looks just like an A2 flash hider, except that it is a muzzle brake.
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Posted: 12/3/2008 6:40:18 PM
The stock would have to be blind pinned to be legal. Meaning drill a hole into the flat area of the buffer tube but not all the way through it. Then drive a roll pin into it and cover it with some black epoxy. This way the pin can not be driven back out and is considered permanant.
As far as the muzzle break goes you can hae JoJos perm install the custom one they make, as harlenm said or look for muzzle breaks that are designated non flash hiding. PWS makes a really nice compensator that is considered by the ATF as a non flash suppressor. Muzzle devices do increase sound and flash though, but that's just something you will havce to deal with in CT. The most recommended option (as well as the most $$$$) would be to buy a preban (manufactured befor 9.13.94) lower or rifle and you can have all the features you want. Otherwise just follow the advice given above. |
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Posted: 12/3/2008 7:52:48 PM
Excellent advice guys. I am going to follow that plan and pin the stock. Is there a place online I can look to determine what qualifies as a flash hider vs muzzle brake?
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Posted: 12/3/2008 8:19:59 PM
[Last Edit: 12/3/2008 8:20:41 PM by harlenm]
Originally Posted By rexrob:
Excellent advice guys. I am going to follow that plan and pin the stock. Is there a place online I can look to determine what qualifies as a flash hider vs muzzle brake? http://groups.msn.com/TheMarylandAR15shootersSite/muzzledevices.msnw |
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Posted: 12/4/2008 12:00:02 AM
[Last Edit: 12/4/2008 12:01:47 AM by rexrob]
Ok one more question... sorry and thank you.
The DPMS Panther with holes I want to use appears to be tagged most places as a muzzle brake or compensator and not a flash suppressor. However according to the great link you guys just gave me. (it's on there as a DPMS type C) http://groups.msn.com/TheMarylandAR15shootersSite/muzzledevices.msnw it appears to require a threaded barrel. I know that is a no-no.. so what if it's threaded on and then drilled and pinned or a tiny bit of weld or some other method....? Basically I have a delton kit on order and that is the item I chose. I assume that because they offered it, it's going on a threaded barrel? If I choose something different, I'm still pretty sure the threaded barrel thing might be an issue. Maybe I'm being way too type A about all this crap but I don't want to commit any felonies. |
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Posted: 12/4/2008 12:47:21 AM
You would have to have it perm attached (pinned and welded) to make it CT legal. That one you are looking at will be obnoxously loud as well.
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Posted: 12/4/2008 3:37:43 PM
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
That one you are looking at will be obnoxously loud as well. +1 You may want to consider one of Kurt's Kustom "fake flash suppressors" which give the look of a flash suppressor without any of negative effects of a compensator/muzzlebrake. They're simply considered "barrel extensions" because they don't actually do anything. He makes models for threaded barrels (that would need to be pinned and welded) and he also makes a press-on version that skirts over the muzzle. I've never seen one in CT, but know a few people who used these a few years back. A loud muzzlebrake is not a great way to make friends at the range. |
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Posted: 12/4/2008 4:12:42 PM
http://primaryweapons.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=&idproduct=9
Expensive but probably the best all around break you can get. It provides some flash suppression but is classified by the ATF as a non-flash suppressing break. Provides excellent muzzle control as well. When I finally take the plunge and buy a 6920 in pieces I will get one of these for a muzzle device (the one with the Gemtech lug). If you have to be stuck with a break, then might as well get one that looks cooler than the other ones |
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Posted: 12/4/2008 11:30:11 PM
[Last Edit: 12/4/2008 11:33:33 PM by rexrob]
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
http://primaryweapons.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=&idproduct=9 Expensive but probably the best all around break you can get. It provides some flash suppression but is classified by the ATF as a non-flash suppressing break. Provides excellent muzzle control as well. When I finally take the plunge and buy a 6920 in pieces I will get one of these for a muzzle device (the one with the Gemtech lug). If you have to be stuck with a break, then might as well get one that looks cooler than the other ones Nice, I like it.. I have more questions now though! I think this is a good option, however... I am guessing my Delton kit is going to come with a threaded barrel. Anyone know for sure? Also, seeing how I'm buying a Delton kit, does anyone have a recommendation from something they offer that I can change too in the meantime and/or less expensive? Is there an actual list of which devices are legal or not for CT somewhere that I can look at? (something official) Reading what the law says it sounds like I can be in trouble just for having all of these parts to assemble this rifle especially if they send me an upper with a threaded barrel. Is that right? Do I just hurry and get all my changes made? Do I have to document that I permanently affixed my muzzle brake and is that sufficient to avoid a problem if the barrel was originally threaded? Do I also have to document that I permanently affixed my formerly collapsible stock too? I am pretty handy and have done some light gunsmithing type stuff to some of my other guns, Kimber 1911, Walther p22, Ruger 10/22 etc. Is it legal for me to make these changes and am I really within the law by making these modifications myself? If I do have to document it somehow, then how? Guys, sorry for all these questions but I bet I'm not the only one curious about all this crap and this thread might be useful for the next guy. Thanks again for all those taking time to help out. |
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