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Posted: 8/4/2012 10:21:10 PM
Originally Posted By Ndenway:
Originally Posted By CoyoteGray:
Originally Posted By mcant20:
Good luck finding that Federal Flite-control ammo. And if you do, it is primarily designed for longer range shooting which could be dangerous for in-close shooting and over penetration. In a running in-close fight as in a home a wider spread and smaller shot would be better according to some experts. Correct. But that's the beauty of a shotgun. You can use the appropriate ammunition for the circumstances and switch back and forth as the situation changes. I'm thinking in a home invasion/HD type situation one won't have much time to be thinking about what type of shotshells they want to shoot the invader/attacker with; they're going to have to use what's in the chamber & mag tube and if by chance they shoot it empty and they're still able they're most likely going to grab whats in reserve and start reloading with whatever shotshell they grab first. Exactly!! That's is why I keep them in the order they are in. Shoot two! Load two! |
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Posted: 8/4/2012 11:53:37 PM
I'm a little late chiming in here but I still think that for a home defense situation 20 gauge is the best option. It's lethal at the normal ranges of typical intruder situations without the risks of overpenetration normally associated with a shotgun.
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Posted: 8/4/2012 11:57:34 PM
I'm looking forward to trying this shotgun out. Personally I don't really enjoy shotgunning unless it's hunting birdies or shooting skeet which I haven't done in a long time but loved to do then. Not sure this particular shotgun is good for shooting skeet but if I ever find a place to shoot some I'm gonna try it heh heh.
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Ndenway
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Posted: 8/5/2012 12:47:55 AM
[Last Edit: 8/5/2012 12:53:21 AM by Ndenway]
Originally Posted By leemozoid:
I'm a little late chiming in here but I still think that for a home defense situation 20 gauge is the best option. It's lethal at the normal ranges of typical intruder situations without the risks of overpenetration normally associated with a shotgun. old painless recently had a post where he did testing with federals 20ga flight control #1 buck; iirc at 15' it was damn near slug type patterning with the shot cup holding buckshot together. Posting about old painless; Brandi, check out his site, he's got lots of info on his shotgun/shotshell testing into different media. http://www.theboxotruth.com/ http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot56.htm http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/edu143.htm http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot56.htm http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot44.htm http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot45.htm http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot14.htm http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot12.htm here you go Brandi, the link to where he test various 12ga shotshells into sheetrock http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3.htm |
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Posted: 8/5/2012 1:08:13 AM
Thanks, I'll read up on it. I appreciate it
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Posted: 8/5/2012 8:07:12 AM
Originally Posted By Brandi:
I'm looking forward to trying this shotgun out. Personally I don't really enjoy shotgunning unless it's hunting birdies or shooting skeet which I haven't done in a long time but loved to do then. Not sure this particular shotgun is good for shooting skeet but if I ever find a place to shoot some I'm gonna try it heh heh. Skeet shooting with a tactical shotgun is excellent training.. |
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Posted: 8/5/2012 8:30:11 AM
[Last Edit: 8/5/2012 9:30:36 AM by mcant20]
Shooting into Sheetrock stacked like the tests above is not applicable to the real world. Two layers of Sheetrock separated by a stud, then another wall 10 to 15 feet apart is closer to a real home and would be a more viable test. I live by myself with two Small dogs in a concrete block house. I have buckshot loaded. If I had kids in the house or was in an apartment, I wouldn't be loaded with buckshot.
The most sure thing about using a shotgun is how good you are with the shotgun using it in the situation you need it. How good you are, that's up to you. FWIW The boxoftruth tests with "wall testing" avoided using buck shot and bird shot for penetration tests. He only used shotgun slugs.That leaves a lot of questions unanswered. Those tests don't address the use or size of shot in a shotgun in a home situation when it comes to penetration. |
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Posted: 8/5/2012 11:47:53 PM
Way late to this one but I like #4 Buck in my house but it is an older house. In what I am picturing in your situation I would look at the Fiochi #4 steel shot.
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Posted: 8/6/2012 5:11:32 PM
You guys are a wealth of information, most of it useless, but occasionally I can glean a bit of good stuff out of it, thanks!
I know some of you are wondering if that's an insult so unfurrow your brows...it's a compliment |
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Posted: 8/6/2012 7:21:51 PM
Originally Posted By Brandi:
You guys are a wealth of information, most of it useless, but occasionally I can glean a bit of good stuff out of it, thanks! I know some of you are wondering if that's an insult so unfurrow your brows...it's a compliment since it was meant as a compliment I won't suggest throwing stones 
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Posted: 8/7/2012 12:26:36 AM
C'mon you know there was someone out there going "hey...she insulted me" and I can't have that from my brain trust.
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Posted: 8/7/2012 12:53:59 PM
Originally Posted By Brandi:
You guys are a wealth of information, most of it useless, but occasionally I can glean a bit of good stuff out of it, thanks! I know some of you are wondering if that's an insult so unfurrow your brows...it's a compliment When in doubt you can always ask yourself what John Wayne would do then do it.  |
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Posted: 8/7/2012 4:58:18 PM
Hmm...good advice, John Wayne is a god.
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Posted: 8/7/2012 5:11:04 PM
Originally Posted By Brandi:
Hmm...good advice, John Wayne is a god. I wouldn't go that far but I will admit that Indians in the old west thought he was a devil!
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Posted: 8/7/2012 6:34:36 PM
Originally Posted By mcant20:
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You guys are a wealth of information, most of it useless, but occasionally I can glean a bit of good stuff out of it, thanks! I know some of you are wondering if that's an insult so unfurrow your brows...it's a compliment When in doubt you can always ask yourself what John Wayne would do then do it. hell you don't want to be shooting yourself in the foot |
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Posted: 8/7/2012 6:36:00 PM
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Hmm...good advice, John Wayne is a god. he only wishes he was with God; wayne killed more indians than smallpox if you didn't know |
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Posted: 8/7/2012 6:36:52 PM
Originally Posted By mcant20:
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Hmm...good advice, John Wayne is a god. I wouldn't go that far but I will admit that Indians in the old west thought he was a devil!
that's cause he spoke with a forked tongue
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Posted: 8/7/2012 10:46:01 PM
Originally Posted By Ndenway:
Originally Posted By mcant20:
Originally Posted By Brandi:
Hmm...good advice, John Wayne is a god. I wouldn't go that far but I will admit that Indians in the old west thought he was a devil!
that's cause he spoke with a forked tongue
You're just joking. His Winchester and Colt didn't have forked tongues. 
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Posted: 8/7/2012 10:54:05 PM
Originally Posted By mcant20:
Originally Posted By Ndenway:
Originally Posted By mcant20:
Originally Posted By Brandi:
Hmm...good advice, John Wayne is a god. I wouldn't go that far but I will admit that Indians in the old west thought he was a devil!
that's cause he spoke with a forked tongue
You're just joking. His Winchester and Colt didn't have forked tongues.
nope, but they were wielded by a dude with a forked tongue
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Posted: 8/7/2012 11:13:00 PM
Originally Posted By Ndenway:
Originally Posted By mcant20:
Originally Posted By Ndenway:
Originally Posted By mcant20:
Originally Posted By Brandi:
Hmm...good advice, John Wayne is a god. I wouldn't go that far but I will admit that Indians in the old west thought he was a devil!
that's cause he spoke with a forked tongue
You're just joking. His Winchester and Colt didn't have forked tongues.
nope, but they were wielded by a dude with a forked tongue
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Posted: 8/8/2012 12:24:10 AM
John Wayne jokes aside I have a question for one of you OKC guys. Is there anyone that has some land and a skeet thrower? Thought I would be fun, after it cools down, to have a little skeet shoot. Nothing too big...maybe some BBQ (I can smoke a big pork butt and offer that up) and drinks. I really miss shooting at those clay birds.
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Posted: 8/8/2012 1:50:53 AM
If no land is available we could go to Lexington to bust clays.
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Posted: 8/8/2012 2:28:19 AM
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Posted: 8/8/2012 9:51:06 AM
Originally Posted By Sumoj275:
If no land is available we could go to Lexington to bust clays. There might be someone down by lex with said land and skeet thrower
And a 200 yd range 
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Posted: 8/8/2012 10:33:04 AM
hmmm
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