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Posted: 4/15/2010 11:52:49 AM
Originally Posted By cope10:
Originally Posted By Tannim:
How about a loaded gun in my glove box? If not in my GB, where in the car? No loaded guns in your car without CHL. To transport a gun in oklahoma it has to be unloaded and in plain sight(without CHL) . I think you can keep a loaded mag seperated from the gun. I'm not 100% sure on the mag. Check into it before you go off me. In plain sight? So if I have an unloaded pistol in the glove box and the magazine is in a completely diferent location in the car is that illegal since it is "concealed"? |
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Posted: 6/8/2010 10:02:37 AM
Originally Posted By x-red-x:
Originally Posted By cope10:
Originally Posted By Tannim:
How about a loaded gun in my glove box? If not in my GB, where in the car? No loaded guns in your car without CHL. To transport a gun in oklahoma it has to be unloaded and in plain sight(without CHL) . I think you can keep a loaded mag seperated from the gun. I'm not 100% sure on the mag. Check into it before you go off me. In plain sight? So if I have an unloaded pistol in the glove box and the magazine is in a completely diferent location in the car is that illegal since it is "concealed"? Bump hoping for an answer...from what I can tell from reading the statute, the unloaded pistol I normally keep, in a zippered case in my center console, would have to be out in the open (like sitting on the passenger seat) when I drive through OK later this week. The mags could stay in the center console, but the pistol itself, in or out of the case, has to be in plain view? |
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Posted: 6/12/2010 4:43:58 PM
Originally Posted By Eric802: Originally Posted By x-red-x: Originally Posted By cope10: Originally Posted By Tannim: How about a loaded gun in my glove box? If not in my GB, where in the car? No loaded guns in your car without CHL. To transport a gun in oklahoma it has to be unloaded and in plain sight(without CHL) . I think you can keep a loaded mag seperated from the gun. I'm not 100% sure on the mag. Check into it before you go off me. In plain sight? So if I have an unloaded pistol in the glove box and the magazine is in a completely diferent location in the car is that illegal since it is "concealed"? Bump hoping for an answer...from what I can tell from reading the statute, the unloaded pistol I normally keep, in a zippered case in my center console, would have to be out in the open (like sitting on the passenger seat) when I drive through OK later this week. The mags could stay in the center console, but the pistol itself, in or out of the case, has to be in plain view? I've got the same question. Could it be out in the open, or in a case, or in a gun mount, or did it have to be all of those things? |
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Posted: 6/20/2010 1:18:27 PM
Originally Posted By Credge:
Originally Posted By Eric802:
Originally Posted By x-red-x:
Originally Posted By cope10:
Originally Posted By Tannim:
How about a loaded gun in my glove box? If not in my GB, where in the car? No loaded guns in your car without CHL. To transport a gun in oklahoma it has to be unloaded and in plain sight(without CHL) . I think you can keep a loaded mag seperated from the gun. I'm not 100% sure on the mag. Check into it before you go off me. In plain sight? So if I have an unloaded pistol in the glove box and the magazine is in a completely diferent location in the car is that illegal since it is "concealed"? Bump hoping for an answer...from what I can tell from reading the statute, the unloaded pistol I normally keep, in a zippered case in my center console, would have to be out in the open (like sitting on the passenger seat) when I drive through OK later this week. The mags could stay in the center console, but the pistol itself, in or out of the case, has to be in plain view? I've got the same question. Could it be out in the open, or in a case, or in a gun mount, or did it have to be all of those things? Take a look at these laws 1289.7 1289.13 1289.13A |
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Posted: 7/31/2010 11:05:41 AM
Is there anything in here that outlines what is legal as far as flash supressors on AR15's?
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Posted: 12/24/2010 5:22:55 PM
No, it isn't a misspelling. A slung shot is something like a lead weight attached to a cord at one end, and say your wrist at the other. The lead could be thrown at someone, and then retrieved to either repeat the throw of concealed.
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Posted: 3/16/2011 6:01:44 PM
Is carrying your sidearm chamber loaded prohibited in any way by the SDA? It has been years since I went thru the class, and some folks who recently took a class were of the opinion that you had to carry with an empty chamber. I am hoping that they are mistaken because it sounds rediculous and contrary to the purpous of the SDA. My EDC is a combat commander .45 on condition 1 and would like to think I am following the statute correctly. Is this just some confusion on the part of new folks attending the class?
Many Thanks, dave |
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Posted: 3/17/2011 6:05:21 AM
Originally Posted By Ddart:
Is carrying your sidearm chamber loaded prohibited in any way by the SDA? It has been years since I went thru the class, and some folks who recently took a class were of the opinion that you had to carry with an empty chamber. I am hoping that they are mistaken because it sounds rediculous and contrary to the purpous of the SDA. My EDC is a combat commander .45 on condition 1 and would like to think I am following the statute correctly. Is this just some confusion on the part of new folks attending the class? Many Thanks, dave The answer to your question is NO. You are correct in suspecting confusion on the part of the new people. |
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Posted: 3/30/2011 9:28:00 AM
Hi all,
I just checked the linked laws and read the thread and didn't see an answer, so I'll ask here. I'm going to be stationed at Ft. Sill in August. Georgia (where I am now) has an exemption that allows military personnel to carry without a permit. I'm just wondering if Oklahoma has anything similar, or if I can't carry until I get my permit. Thanks! |
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Posted: 3/30/2011 1:19:15 PM
Originally Posted By blackeagle05: Hi all, I just checked the linked laws and read the thread and didn't see an answer, so I'll ask here. I'm going to be stationed at Ft. Sill in August. Georgia (where I am now) has an exemption that allows military personnel to carry without a permit. I'm just wondering if Oklahoma has anything similar, or if I can't carry until I get my permit. Thanks! I do not believe we have that exemption in Oklahoma. |
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Posted: 6/7/2011 2:44:23 AM
I have a question regarding carrying loaded magazines in a vehicle. I have a couple buddys that tell me that it is illegal to carry a loaded magazine in a car regardless of whether it is in the gun or not. Ive read through the laws linked and ive become a little confused. I understood it as you can carry them loaded as long as they are in a locked compartment or outside your vehicle. If this is the case and im not mistaken which i often am, how would i carry them in say an SUV which has no lockable trunk or outside compartment? Any help clearing my confusion would be greatly appreciated.
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Posted: 6/7/2011 3:55:03 AM
Originally Posted By brunnels: I have a question regarding carrying loaded magazines in a vehicle. I have a couple buddys that tell me that it is illegal to carry a loaded magazine in a car regardless of whether it is in the gun or not. Ive read through the laws linked and ive become a little confused. I understood it as you can carry them loaded as long as they are in a locked compartment or outside your vehicle. If this is the case and im not mistaken which i often am, how would i carry them in say an SUV which has no lockable trunk or outside compartment? Any help clearing my confusion would be greatly appreciated. It is my understanding that this is correct. Stick them in a container that can be locked and stick that way in the back by the door. |
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Posted: 6/7/2011 2:29:47 PM
thanks for the help, do you think a duffle bag with a pad lock would qualify as a lockable storage container?
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Posted: 6/7/2011 7:57:02 PM
Originally Posted By brunnels: thanks for the help, do you think a duffle bag with a pad lock would qualify as a lockable storage container? Possibly, but I wouldn't trust it personally if a cop pulled me over and was looking for something to ticket me for. A gun case with the foam removed would work. I have a couple military ammo cans that I drilled a hole in the front, added an eye bolt, then dremeled out the locking part to fit over the eye bolt. Then I fill them up, close them, slap a padlock on it, and go. |
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Posted: 6/20/2011 6:29:55 PM
[Last Edit: 6/20/2011 6:31:32 PM by splitbolt]
I have a question concerning CCW and owner's rights.
Is there an 'official' no guns allowed signage? I just noticed, the gas station I stop at in the mornings has what appears to be a "no 1911s allowed" posted on the inside of the door. I checked the links and did not find anything. |
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Posted: 6/24/2011 3:41:57 PM
Originally Posted By splitbolt:
I have a question concerning CCW and owner's rights. Is there an 'official' no guns allowed signage? I just noticed, the gas station I stop at in the mornings has what appears to be a "no 1911s allowed" posted on the inside of the door. I checked the links and did not find anything. There is no specific wording that has to be followed like some of the other states. The universal circle with slash with a gun inside of it or actual vinyl letters that say "No guns allowed" or "Firearms Prohibited" all carry the same weight in Oklahoma. |
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Posted: 7/2/2011 1:58:10 AM
[Last Edit: 7/2/2011 2:05:47 AM by Dustyattic]
I have a simple question, but am a little confused by the terms used in the documents.
First of all, what exactly does the term "magazine loaded" mean? Does it refer to a magazine which has ammo in it, or a firearm with a loaded magazine inserted? Until I know that for sure, attempting to understand the rest is hopeless, but I'll go ahead anyway. Any person, except a convicted felon, may transport in a motor vehicle a rifle, shotgun or pistol, open and unloaded, at any time. For purposes of this section "open" means the firearm is transported in plain view, OR in a case designed for carrying firearms, which case is wholly or partially visible, OR in a gun rack mounted in the vehicle, OR in an exterior locked compartment or a trunk of a vehicle.
Any person, except a convicted felon, may transport in a motor vehicle a rifle or shotgun concealed behind a seat of the vehicle or within the interior of the vehicle provided the rifle or shotgun is not clip, magazine or chamber loaded. The authority to transport a clip or magazine loaded rifle or shotgun shall be pursuant to Section 1289.13 of this title. Should I take that first paragraph as written or should it include at least one "OR" somewhere in the second sentence? As it is now, it's an impossible task, since it specifies first "plain view" and then later, "exterior locked compartment". It would only be possible if you have it in a case, and the case in a rack, and the rack in a locked plexiglass box outside your car for everyone to see. I know that's absurd, but my point is, without knowing where the "OR" goes, it's useless. I assume the "OR" should go where I highlighted in RED. Now the second part is where the "magazine loaded" question comes in. I take it to mean I can stick the empty AR15 in my trunk, and have the fully loaded magazine up in the center console. But I'm worried assuming will get me in trouble if "magazine loaded" means "loaded magazine". Can anyone point me to clear legal references, or suggest who I should contact to get something in writing to protect myself legally? Edited to add: Furthermore, the second sentence says carrying it concealed behind the seat is OK. I guess this is simply adding another legal place to carry a gun? So you can put it on the dash, or in a rack, or in a case, or in the trunk, or behind the seat, as long as it's not "magazine loaded"?? Really confusing. Thanks... |
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Posted: 7/2/2011 11:33:16 AM
Originally Posted By Dustyattic: I have a simple question, but am a little confused by the terms used in the documents. First of all, what exactly does the term "magazine loaded" mean? Does it refer to a magazine which has ammo in it, or a firearm with a loaded magazine inserted? Until I know that for sure, attempting to understand the rest is hopeless, but I'll go ahead anyway. Any person, except a convicted felon, may transport in a motor vehicle a rifle, shotgun or pistol, open and unloaded, at any time. For purposes of this section "open" means the firearm is transported in plain view, OR in a case designed for carrying firearms, which case is wholly or partially visible, OR in a gun rack mounted in the vehicle, OR in an exterior locked compartment or a trunk of a vehicle. Any person, except a convicted felon, may transport in a motor vehicle a rifle or shotgun concealed behind a seat of the vehicle or within the interior of the vehicle provided the rifle or shotgun is not clip, magazine or chamber loaded. The authority to transport a clip or magazine loaded rifle or shotgun shall be pursuant to Section 1289.13 of this title. Should I take that first paragraph as written or should it include at least one "OR" somewhere in the second sentence? As it is now, it's an impossible task, since it specifies first "plain view" and then later, "exterior locked compartment". It would only be possible if you have it in a case, and the case in a rack, and the rack in a locked plexiglass box outside your car for everyone to see. I know that's absurd, but my point is, without knowing where the "OR" goes, it's useless. I assume the "OR" should go where I highlighted in RED. Now the second part is where the "magazine loaded" question comes in. I take it to mean I can stick the empty AR15 in my trunk, and have the fully loaded magazine up in the center console. But I'm worried assuming will get me in trouble if "magazine loaded" means "loaded magazine". Can anyone point me to clear legal references, or suggest who I should contact to get something in writing to protect myself legally? Edited to add: Furthermore, the second sentence says carrying it concealed behind the seat is OK. I guess this is simply adding another legal place to carry a gun? So you can put it on the dash, or in a rack, or in a case, or in the trunk, or behind the seat, as long as it's not "magazine loaded"?? Really confusing. Thanks... Red: I've always understood it to mean that as long as there is no ammunition inside the firearm or a detachable magazine it should be good to go. I've transported my shotgun on several occasions stuck behind my seat with a box of shells either in the toolbox in the bed, the glove box, or the center console. Blue: With the gun in one compartment in the vehicle and the magazine in another I think you would be fine. Since a long firearm in a trunk or exterior locked compartment can be magazine loaded, but not chamber loaded, (Section 1289.13 of the SDA) then if you put the AR in the front and the loaded magazines in the trunk, or both in the trunk, you should be well within the law. Note: I'm not a lawyer, this is merely my best interpretation of the law. |
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Posted: 7/3/2011 11:31:22 PM
Originally Posted By TwoBravo:
Originally Posted By splitbolt:
I have a question concerning CCW and owner's rights. Is there an 'official' no guns allowed signage? I just noticed, the gas station I stop at in the mornings has what appears to be a "no 1911s allowed" posted on the inside of the door. I checked the links and did not find anything. There is no specific wording that has to be followed like some of the other states. The universal circle with slash with a gun inside of it or actual vinyl letters that say "No guns allowed" or "Firearms Prohibited" all carry the same weight in Oklahoma. Okay. But, this was on the inside of the door; not visible from the outside (obscured by tint & burglary bars). I don't want to seem argumentative and I respect the property/business owner's rights....but, there must be some standards; at least in regards to visibility? |
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Posted: 7/4/2011 2:08:22 AM
Originally Posted By splitbolt: Originally Posted By TwoBravo: Originally Posted By splitbolt: I have a question concerning CCW and owner's rights. Is there an 'official' no guns allowed signage? I just noticed, the gas station I stop at in the mornings has what appears to be a "no 1911s allowed" posted on the inside of the door. I checked the links and did not find anything. There is no specific wording that has to be followed like some of the other states. The universal circle with slash with a gun inside of it or actual vinyl letters that say "No guns allowed" or "Firearms Prohibited" all carry the same weight in Oklahoma. Okay. But, this was on the inside of the door; not visible from the outside (obscured by tint & burglary bars). I don't want to seem argumentative and I respect the property/business owner's rights....but, there must be some standards; at least in regards to visibility? I've never heard of any in this state. |
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Posted: 9/28/2011 9:20:12 PM
Nice post and thank you! I have a lot of reading to do, as I may be moving to OK in Oct. Typical gun & CCW laws though, wording can be extremely "interpretive" and/or confusing.
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Posted: 3/16/2012 5:36:38 PM
Cannot legally carry my firearm. What I'm considering is an asp, probably 12 to 21 inches in length. I have read & reread this statue and am still confused. I don't want to stray to the illegal side of the law so until I find out the answer it will have to stay at the house. Thanks in advance, Chris |
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Posted: 3/28/2012 4:34:10 PM
Headed to Tulsa tomorrow for the big show and had a question or two before I head out. I know my AR permit is honored there so that isn't an issue - but was curious about Section 1272.1 - Carrying Firearms Where Liquor Is Consumed - specifically how is it determined what "constitutes the primary purpose of the business." in relation to alcohol sales and carrying? I saw that OK has the duty to inform if stopped while carrying much like AR, and signs don't have to meet specific criteria to be legal. Any other gotchas that an out of state visitor might not expect as it relates to complying with your carry laws?
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Posted: 9/14/2012 6:36:15 PM
[Last Edit: 9/14/2012 6:37:00 PM by Brandi]
I've wondered that too. As I understand it if it's a place like a bar that also sells food but it's primary role is a bar it's a no carry spot. If it's a place like a steakhouse that's primary role is food but also sells alcohol it's ok. The law is a bit vague for sure but Oklahoma specializes in vague laws.
Now....a place like Hooters it's a crap shoot. |
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Posted: 3/7/2013 9:04:24 AM
Are there any laws in relation to printing while in OK? With a valid KS CCW license, Say I have a pancake holster and a jacket over it. If someone notices, ( lib do gooder or LEO ) and either way it becomes an issue where an LEO is involved, am I subject to arrest or ticket/fine for "printing"?
Thank you in advance for any help here. |
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