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Posted: 10/9/2014 3:50:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/9/2014 8:30:31 PM EDT
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If money is no issue and you seek top quality training, get with Jimmy at F3 Tactical. They are in the know with most top trainers in the area or visiting trainers offering classes in the area. However most are advanced / intermediate level.
Tango Down Range offered a few classes last summer with Steve "yeti" Fisher Pat Rogers is local, top notch instructor! Matt Jacques, Victory First featured in this months Recoil Magazine is in the area as well. There are other lower cost classes, but the above mentioned are definitely worth the coin!! |
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Posted: 10/9/2014 9:28:23 PM EDT
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Pat Rogers of EAG Tactical. http://eagtactical.com
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Posted: 10/9/2014 9:40:42 PM EDT
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Check out Echo Valley training Center they host a bunch of well respected trainers and they are just outside of Winchester. F3 is good people and cant point you in the right direction also. If you are willing to travel I cant recommend Pat Goodale and the crew at Pat Goodales Practical Firearms Training. Their home range is in Alderson WV but they travel to PA some also not sure which would be closer to you
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Posted: 10/9/2014 9:57:36 PM EDT
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This is a video from the Tactical Carbine II course I did last month at Tango Down Range in Hedgesville, WV (about 45min north of Winchester)-
CUJ3pQ45U0s I will be posting the next course on here or if you Facebook check out- TOC If this is the type of training you were looking for let me know. I'm based out of Stephens City, VA. |
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Posted: 10/9/2014 10:18:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThere might even be vacancies for this weekend's class at Echo Valley... |
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Posted: 10/10/2014 8:24:46 AM EDT
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There might even be vacancies for this weekend's class at Echo Valley... Quote HistoryQuoted:
There might even be vacancies for this weekend's class at Echo Valley... Run, don't walk to sign up for that before it fills up. EAG is the best you'll find, and Echo Valley is a great range. |
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Posted: 10/10/2014 3:34:11 PM EDT
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Wow, Thanks for all the leads! I did look into echo valley at one time, I'll look again.
I've been talking to my neighbor, he is DHS Trainer, he says he know a bunch of people that are good carbine instructors, and would make them selves available. So that might work since i have 6 people. Hedgesville is not far either :) |
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Posted: 10/10/2014 4:43:21 PM EDT
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I need one that is basic, but isn't basic. The EAG basic carbine one covers nomenclature, assembly/disassembly, sighting, cleaning, etc as part of their basic course. I've built an SBR from scratch - that basic class would drive me to suicide. But the intermediate course seems significantly more advanced than the basic. I need a good basic course that doesn't treat me like I just purchased an AR at the last gun show.
Confused... 
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Posted: 10/10/2014 5:04:14 PM EDT
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Boprofessional- if you've got 6 or more people and a location we can bring the course to you. We've got a 14' enclosed trailer filled with targets, stands, and steel. The course can be structured to the audience. The course shown in the video link was originally listed as a level one course, but all the students that signed up had previous experience and wanted something more, so we gave it to them
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Posted: 10/10/2014 7:04:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I need one that is basic, but isn't basic. The EAG basic carbine one covers nomenclature, assembly/disassembly, sighting, cleaning, etc as part of their basic course. I've built an SBR from scratch - that basic class would drive me to suicide. But the intermediate course seems significantly more advanced than the basic. I need a good basic course that doesn't treat me like I just purchased an AR at the last gun show. Confused... You would not be disappointed with the basic class from them. Every class I've attended started with a quick review and progressed as quickly as the slowest student. In those classes that had experienced shooters, we just moved on to more advanced shooting. |
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Posted: 10/10/2014 7:18:07 PM EDT
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You would not be disappointed with the basic class from them. Every class I've attended started with a quick review and progressed as quickly as the slowest student. In those classes that had experienced shooters, we just moved on to more advanced shooting. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I need one that is basic, but isn't basic. The EAG basic carbine one covers nomenclature, assembly/disassembly, sighting, cleaning, etc as part of their basic course. I've built an SBR from scratch - that basic class would drive me to suicide. But the intermediate course seems significantly more advanced than the basic. I need a good basic course that doesn't treat me like I just purchased an AR at the last gun show. Confused... You would not be disappointed with the basic class from them. Every class I've attended started with a quick review and progressed as quickly as the slowest student. In those classes that had experienced shooters, we just moved on to more advanced shooting. Alright then. Now I need to figure out when they are going to be offering local classes. Looks like none are on the schedule. |
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Posted: 10/10/2014 7:58:30 PM EDT
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EAG is conducting their 'Carbine Operator' course at Echo Valley Trng Center (High View, WV)
17-19 October (next weekend). I have taken this and the 'Carbine2' course. 'Carbine Operator' is not a basic class, nor is it a high-speed shoot-house/cqb course. You'll be fine. Go train with Pat and be happy you went. Also, I have taken carbine classes with Tactical Operations Consulting (TacOpCon) and Commonwealth Criminal Justice Academy (CCJA). One is down at Fredericksburg (CCJA) and the other is the WV panhandle (TacOpCon). EDIT: One more thing, if you go to the EAG course, make sure your rifle has a decent zero. You'll zero it the first day, but, things will go faster if you have at least a 'rough' zero. This should apply pretty much to any course you attend. |
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Posted: 10/10/2014 9:49:05 PM EDT
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I need one that is basic, but isn't basic. The EAG basic carbine one covers nomenclature, assembly/disassembly, sighting, cleaning, etc as part of their basic course. I've built an SBR from scratch - that basic class would drive me to suicide. But the intermediate course seems significantly more advanced than the basic. I need a good basic course that doesn't treat me like I just purchased an AR at the last gun show. Confused... I think you would fit in with my group. We are all beyond the basic build and function, if we can put something together, you could be our 7th. |
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Posted: 10/10/2014 9:56:20 PM EDT
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Boprofessional- if you've got 6 or more people and a location we can bring the course to you. We've got a 14' enclosed trailer filled with targets, stands, and steel. The course can be structured to the audience. The course shown in the video link was originally listed as a level one course, but all the students that signed up had previous experience and wanted something more, so we gave it to them This would actually be awesome. Although a location might be harder to round up. I belong to IWL, WFCCC clubs, but they are restricted to members, borrowing the range for a day would most likely be out of the question. I have a friend in WV, with some property, where we used to camp and shoot, but it's been a year, and some lots near him started to build homes... Any idea what it would cost to rent echo valley? I think we could get up to 10 people, if a few more locals were on board. |
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Posted: 10/10/2014 10:02:55 PM EDT
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I think you would fit in with my group. We are all beyond the basic build and function, if we can put something together, you could be our 7th. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I need one that is basic, but isn't basic. The EAG basic carbine one covers nomenclature, assembly/disassembly, sighting, cleaning, etc as part of their basic course. I've built an SBR from scratch - that basic class would drive me to suicide. But the intermediate course seems significantly more advanced than the basic. I need a good basic course that doesn't treat me like I just purchased an AR at the last gun show. Confused... I think you would fit in with my group. We are all beyond the basic build and function, if we can put something together, you could be our 7th. Sure, I'd be up for that. |
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Posted: 10/11/2014 6:32:53 PM EDT
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I would be in for this.
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Posted: 10/13/2014 12:04:09 AM EDT
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Bofessional,
Let me know if you've got a location. In the mean time I'm talking with two agencies (one in WV and one in VA) about using their ranges for weekend classes. As soon as something comes together on my end I will let you know. |
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Posted: 10/13/2014 10:32:16 AM EDT
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Bofessional, Let me know if you've got a location. In the mean time I'm talking with two agencies (one in WV and one in VA) about using their ranges for weekend classes. As soon as something comes together on my end I will let you know. Awesome, I'm not entrenched yet with the local vibe, as we just moved here this year. With that being said, me finding a location may not pan out, but I will try. 
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Posted: 10/13/2014 11:16:34 AM EDT
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Bofessional
Even if we can't set up a course this time around, I'm always looking for guys to go shooting with. Maybe we can plan a trip out to Tango Down or The Cove. |
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Posted: 10/13/2014 2:37:41 PM EDT
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Bofessional Even if we can't set up a course this time around, I'm always looking for guys to go shooting with. Maybe we can plan a trip out to Tango Down or The Cove. Absolutely. A buddy and me, also a member here, will be heading to the cove on the 30th, its a Thursday, hopefully to have the place to ourselves. I normally go though a bunch of rounds every Sunday Morning as well. I'll Message you my Contact info Bo |
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Posted: 10/14/2014 10:25:04 AM EDT
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Every now and then, taking the course that you think is below you is just the ticket that's needed to propel you to the next tier in your training regimen.
Assuming quality instruction like EAG Tactical, Redback One, Pat MacNamara, Mike Pannone, and some others I have seen train students at Echo Valley their "basic" class WILL teach you something you didn't already know, or allow you to work in your own space on things you need to improve. They will set a par time for open enrollment class levels. Burn that par time on every iteration while keeping all your shots in the "A", work on reload proficiency, setup malfunctions with snap caps, and try to still maintain par time. Use the harder, or less stable, alternate shooting positions and maintain "A's", and keep par time. Don't freelance, and don't be unsafe, but there is quite a bit to learn while enrolled in a basic course from a quality instruction outfit. |
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Posted: 10/14/2014 2:26:30 PM EDT
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Every now and then, taking the course that you think is below you is just the ticket that's needed to propel you to the next tier in your training regimen. Assuming quality instruction like EAG Tactical, Redback One, Pat MacNamara, Mike Pannone, and some others I have seen train students at Echo Valley their "basic" class WILL teach you something you didn't already know, or allow you to work in your own space on things you need to improve. They will set a par time for open enrollment class levels. Burn that par time on every iteration while keeping all your shots in the "A", work on reload proficiency, setup malfunctions with snap caps, and try to still maintain par time. Use the harder, or less stable, alternate shooting positions and maintain "A's", and keep par time. Don't freelance, and don't be unsafe, but there is quite a bit to learn while enrolled in a basic course from a quality instruction outfit. Thanks for your input, like I said, I've never taken a carbine course, and Skipping to an advanced class, is not something I'm looking to do. I am however trying to engage into an existing session, but since it appears we have the numbers to put a session together, this is something worth looking into. |
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Posted: 10/16/2014 7:14:25 AM EDT
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Just FYI.
My class at EVTC this weekend is not a Basic Carbine Course, but rather a Carbine Operators Course. Having said that, my definition of a BCC may not match yours. You mat want to ask some who have taken a BCC to comment on its content. Jimmy at F3 would be a good start. The first BCC we did in Culpepper had SWAT cops, patrol cops, SF, Marines and average earth people, and that has pretty much been that way ever since- much different than what I envisioned. Apparently professionals appreciate the basics. Enough so that we are changing the title and POI to reflect this. However, I this COC we have Marines and Soldiers and Feds and Cops and Nuke Security officer, Dr, college student,, IT guys... They are from MI, NC, MD and VA No matter, the class is full, and has been for a while. Self training is a myth, and if you are serious about firearms and the use, seek professional training. There are a number of talented folks who teach a variety of classes directed at a variety of students. Do your homework, find someone that teaches what you are loking for, and go to it. |
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Posted: 10/16/2014 10:18:41 AM EDT
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Just FYI. My class at EVTC this weekend is not a Basic Carbine Course, but rather a Carbine Operators Course. Having said that, my definition of a BCC may not match yours. You mat want to ask some who have taken a BCC to comment on its content. Jimmy at F3 would be a good start. The first BCC we did in Culpepper had SWAT cops, patrol cops, SF, Marines and average earth people, and that has pretty much been that way ever since- much different than what I envisioned. Apparently professionals appreciate the basics. Enough so that we are changing the title and POI to reflect this. However, I this COC we have Marines and Soldiers and Feds and Cops and Nuke Security officer, Dr, college student,, IT guys... They are from MI, NC, MD and VA No matter, the class is full, and has been for a while. Self training is a myth, and if you are serious about firearms and the use, seek professional training. There are a number of talented folks who teach a variety of classes directed at a variety of students. Do your homework, find someone that teaches what you are loking for, and go to it. Pat, Thanks for Chiming in. Your outfit has been recommend by several folks here so your input carries some weight. Still doing homework, this is part of it. I'll reach out to jimmy, Ive been to F3 a few times. Thanks! |
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Posted: 10/16/2014 11:06:59 AM EDT
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bofessional - keep me posted if you find something, I'm interested.
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Posted: 10/16/2014 11:31:26 AM EDT
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My pleasure!
This is all about sharing information, but it is not always easy on any end. If you have questions, send me an e mail [email protected] Good luck with your endeavors! |
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Posted: 10/16/2014 11:56:22 AM EDT
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bofessional - keep me posted if you find something, I'm interested. Absolutely! |
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Posted: 10/18/2014 7:57:21 AM EDT
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If you're still looking I'm Aaron from MVT click me. We're known more for the tactical rather than combat shooting classes but we've recently had a lot of success with them.
Check out our page here for my Combat Rifle course. The facility is located in Romney WV which is about an hour West of Winchester. If you have any questions feel free to IM me. Aaron |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 9:33:15 AM EDT
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If you're still looking I'm Aaron from MVT click me. We're known more for the tactical rather than combat shooting classes but we've recently had a lot of success with them. Check out our page here for my Combat Rifle course. The facility is located in Romney WV which is about an hour West of Winchester. If you have any questions feel free to IM me. Aaron Cool Thanks for the link, Looks like you guys have a pretty big out fit. I did sign up for a pistol course, albeit, not a carbine course with TOC, for Nov 15th If anyone is interested it is here with flyer TOC FB Page Last I saw, is 3 Spots Left |
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