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Posted: 2/10/2016 1:23:21 PM EDT
THIS IS NOT MY SAFE!!!



James Reed posted this photo in an IL Facebook gun group with the following text:

Someone found my suitcase between TT and Rissler on McVey in the ditch. Anybody see someone dumping stuff there?
Have list of guns and serial numbers now. Will put in comments.
I'm sure whoever did this knows me. All I can say is don't fuck up. You got multiple thousands worth of guns and a chunk of cash. The $ doesn't matter. What matters is 90% of those were my dads and aren't replaceable. I can promise you'll have a better time with the sheriff than you will with me. I'm working on a list of what was stolen now.
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His location is listed as Smithton, MO, but again, this was posted in an IL group.  If anyone comes across anything shady, be aware of this.
Link Posted: 2/10/2016 7:05:05 PM EDT
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makes me want to get a fire safe and put it in my floor and then cover it with a liftup couch or somthing so it will always be out of sight.

only things locks do is keep the honest people honest.
Link Posted: 2/10/2016 8:07:27 PM EDT
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makes me want to get a fire safe and put it in my floor and then cover it with a liftup couch or somthing so it will always be out of sight.

only things locks do is keep the honest people honest.
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I agree, but as far as I'm concerned, what is pictured isn't a safe.  It's a 'locker', or as it's appropriately termed, a 'residential storage cabinet' or 'RSC'.

Calling that a safe is a joke.

Sucks for him for sure.
Link Posted: 2/10/2016 10:25:03 PM EDT
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Someone that knew him and most likely has seen the safe before as they came prepared.
Link Posted: 2/11/2016 9:38:37 AM EDT
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Someone that knew him and most likely has seen the safe before as they came prepared.
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Knew he had a safe, knew what to bring, knew when he wouldnt be home. Yeah id second it being a friend who did it
Link Posted: 2/11/2016 1:47:27 PM EDT
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How long do you believe it took to cut into that Browning safe?  Someone had a great deal of time to break in and put forth a lot of effort to get the contents.  What else was taken that was not inside the safe?

Most meth heads won't take that kind of time during a burglary.  This doesn't smell right.
Link Posted: 2/11/2016 2:30:01 PM EDT
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How long do you believe it took to cut into that Browning safe?  Someone had a great deal of time to break in and put forth a lot of effort to get the contents.  What else was taken that was not inside the safe?

Most meth heads won't take that kind of time during a burglary.  This doesn't smell right.
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I only know what I posted in the original post.  As I also put in the original post, "THIS IS NOT MY SAFE."

Time with a plasma cutter... Probably about 20 minutes to get through both layers.
Link Posted: 2/11/2016 8:51:23 PM EDT
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Yeah plasma cutter looks right. Been a while since I used one but I'd guess 1" every 2 seconds in 1/8" steel,

and an RSC is way under 1/8"
Link Posted: 2/11/2016 8:55:45 PM EDT
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I only know what I posted in the original post.  As I also put in the original post, "THIS IS NOT MY SAFE."

Time with a plasma cutter... Probably about 20 minutes to get through both layers.
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How long do you believe it took to cut into that Browning safe?  Someone had a great deal of time to break in and put forth a lot of effort to get the contents.  What else was taken that was not inside the safe?

Most meth heads won't take that kind of time during a burglary.  This doesn't smell right.


I only know what I posted in the original post.  As I also put in the original post, "THIS IS NOT MY SAFE."

Time with a plasma cutter... Probably about 20 minutes to get through both layers.



20 minutes is a long time to be in a residence.  

Link Posted: 2/11/2016 9:39:58 PM EDT
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looks like an armature with an portable oxy/fuel kit.  Plasma cutter requires an air compressor
Link Posted: 2/11/2016 10:05:30 PM EDT
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looks like an armature with an portable oxy/fuel kit.  Plasma cutter requires an air compressor
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They have portable units with a built in compressor
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Link Posted: 2/12/2016 6:53:55 AM EDT
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looks like an armature with an portable oxy/fuel kit.  Plasma cutter requires an air compressor
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An armature? Isn't that the part of a drill motor that the chuck is attached to?
Link Posted: 2/12/2016 11:11:50 AM EDT
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An armature? Isn't that the part of a drill motor that the chuck is attached to?
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looks like an armature with an portable oxy/fuel kit.  Plasma cutter requires an air compressor


An armature? Isn't that the part of a drill motor that the chuck is attached to?


NICE!  
Link Posted: 2/12/2016 11:01:29 PM EDT
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I agree, but as far as I'm concerned, what is pictured isn't a safe.  It's a 'locker', or as it's appropriately termed, a 'residential storage cabinet' or 'RSC'.

Calling that a safe is a joke.

Sucks for him for sure.
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makes me want to get a fire safe and put it in my floor and then cover it with a liftup couch or somthing so it will always be out of sight.

only things locks do is keep the honest people honest.


I agree, but as far as I'm concerned, what is pictured isn't a safe.  It's a 'locker', or as it's appropriately termed, a 'residential storage cabinet' or 'RSC'.

Calling that a safe is a joke.

Sucks for him for sure.

Honestly, had it been a "real" safe, I don't think it withstand a torch.
Link Posted: 2/14/2016 8:12:07 AM EDT
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That's messed up on top of them stealing his things they could've burnt his house down in the process, but thank God that didn't happen.
Link Posted: 2/15/2016 1:50:59 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 2/15/2016 4:09:56 PM EDT
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Actual safes have ratings for different entry methods as explained here

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Actual safes have ratings for different entry methods as explained here

Safe Classification Information
Safe Ratings and Abbreviations
Are All Safes Created Equal? Safes tested by the Underwriter's Laboratories (U.L.) are classified according to fire resistance, theft resistance, and torch and explosives resistance. The ratings the U.L. provides are completely independent of manufacturer testing and create an industry standard. An understanding of the U.L. classifications will make shopping for a safe much easier, and you will be less likely to buy a safe that does not suit your requirements. Before searching for the right safe, familiarize yourself with the U.L. classifications below.

•Anti-Theft Classifications
Anti-theft classifications help the consumer understand how difficult it is to break into a safe. The letters in the classification refer to the types of tools used to try to crack the safe during testing. TL refers to tools such as hand tools or drills (see "TL-15" below for a complete list of tools), TRTL refers to the aforementioned tools as well as torches, and TXTL refers to those same tools, torches, and explosives. A safe with a TXTL rating, then, offers superior protection against all types of theft devices.

•Following the letters in the classification, are numbers, which denote the minimum amount of time in minutes the safe is theft-proof. A classification of TRTL-30 indicates the safe cannot be broken into with torches or other tools (see "TL-15" below for the complete list of devices used in testing) for a period of fifteen minutes of continuous active attempts. Keep in mind that while stronger often means better, the average consumer does not need an explosives-resistant safe for normal home use. For fire protection, however, refer to the fire-resistant rating guide further down.

•TL-15
The TL-15 rated safe has a combination lock and resists break-in for up to 15 minutes using hand tools, picking tools, mechanical or portable electric tools, grinding points, carbide drills, and pressure-applying devices. (TL= Tool Resistant)

•TL-30
The TL-30 rated safe has a combination lock and resists break-in for 30 minutes with all the tools mentioned for the TL-15.

•TRTL-30
The TRTL-30 rated safe has all the same capabilities as the TL-30 with the added protection against oxy-fuel and gas-cutting or welding torches. (TRTL= Torch Resistant and Tool Resistant)

•TRTL-60
The TRTL-60 rated safe provides all the protection of the TRTL-30 but resists break-in for an additional 30 minutes.

•TXTL-60
The TXTL-60 rated safe offers all the capabilities of the TRTL-60 with the additional protection against explosives. (TXTL=Torch, Tool, and Explosives Resistant)

•Fire Classifications
The fire-resistant classifications, designed similarly to the burglary-resistant ratings, show type of assault on the safe as well as the period of time in which the contents will remain protected. In addition, fire-resistant ratings show the highest internal temperature the safe will reach when submitted to fire for a specified period of time.

•Most fire resistant safes can withstand temperatures of 1700°F, much higher than typical house fires (1200°F), and maintain an internal temperature of 350°F --protecting your valuable documents or other items. The fire-resistance typically will be specified for 1 or 2 hours --longer than the duration of an average house fire. In other words, a class 350 F 2-hour rated safe can maintain an internal temperature at or below 350°F for two hours of exposure to 1700°F.


Thanks.  I was aware of this information, but apparently, others aren't.
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