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Posted: 1/17/2015 11:47:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope. Still a rifle cause of the buttstock. Buttstock was designed to be shouldered, shooting it one handed doesnt change the design intent of the buttstock. Where as shouldering the brace changes the design intent from an arm brace to a buttstock. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So would that make shooting a rifle with one hand a pistol?  Nope. Still a rifle cause of the buttstock. Buttstock was designed to be shouldered, shooting it one handed doesnt change the design intent of the buttstock. Where as shouldering the brace changes the design intent from an arm brace to a buttstock. Shooting the "rifle" with one hand, and without shouldering the stock, redesigns the buttstock into a counterweight. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 12:37:32 AM EDT
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Shooting the "rifle" with one hand, and without shouldering the stock, redesigns the buttstock into a counterweight. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So would that make shooting a rifle with one hand a pistol? Nope. Still a rifle cause of the buttstock. Buttstock was designed to be shouldered, shooting it one handed doesnt change the design intent of the buttstock. Where as shouldering the brace changes the design intent from an arm brace to a buttstock. Shooting the "rifle" with one hand, and without shouldering the stock, redesigns the buttstock into a counterweight. ...and makes it a pistol, so the shooter needs to be over 21 in many / most states. (following the same line of "logic") Better yet, ban the ATF. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 1:45:45 AM EDT
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I am applying for my C&R license now... can I apply for the SBR form 1 with out the C&R and just wait to assembly it when I have both in hand?
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Posted: 1/19/2015 2:32:17 AM EDT
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I am applying for my C&R license now... can I apply for the SBR form 1 with out the C&R and just wait to assembly it when I have both in hand? No. NFA Branch will reject your application (or put it in problem status) if a copy of your C&R doesn't accompany your Form 1. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 2:52:47 AM EDT
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Shooting the "rifle" with one hand, and without shouldering the stock, redesigns the buttstock into a counterweight. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So would that make shooting a rifle with one hand a pistol? Nope. Still a rifle cause of the buttstock. Buttstock was designed to be shouldered, shooting it one handed doesnt change the design intent of the buttstock. Where as shouldering the brace changes the design intent from an arm brace to a buttstock. Shooting the "rifle" with one hand, and without shouldering the stock, redesigns the buttstock into a counterweight. No. Doesn't change the design intent in your 'example'. (Doesn't matter anyway, cause pistols with barrels 16< are legal, and 'counterweights' aren't regulated in USC. . .) The buttstock was designed as a buttstock. Shooting it one handed or shouldered doesn't change that. Its primary purpose was to be a buttstock. An arm brace was designed as an arm brace, not a buttstock. Problem is, most folks buying it are doing so with the intent to use it as a buttstock, and BATFE finally caught on. ATF just essentially said that their ruling is only good if the Sig Brace is used AS DESIGNED as an arm brace, and that shouldering it (AKA redesigning/remaking/intending to use it) as a buttstock - which 99% of sig brace owners are - is an unregistered SBR, as the shoulder fired weapon now has a barrel less than 16 inches. Not that hard to follow if you look at the definitions of rifle and pistol up in 18 USC 921. (7) The term “rifle” means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of an explosive to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger. Key phrase is 'designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended'. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 2:53:31 AM EDT
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No. NFA Branch will reject your application (or put it in problem status) if a copy of your C&R doesn't accompany your Form 1. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am applying for my C&R license now... can I apply for the SBR form 1 with out the C&R and just wait to assembly it when I have both in hand? No. NFA Branch will reject your application (or put it in problem status) if a copy of your C&R doesn't accompany your Form 1. This. My C&R application only took ~3 weeks anyway. |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 2:34:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. Doesn't change the design intent in your 'example'. (Doesn't matter anyway, cause pistols with barrels 16< are legal, and 'counterweights' aren't regulated in USC. . .) The buttstock was designed as a buttstock. Shooting it one handed or shouldered doesn't change that. Its primary purpose was to be a buttstock. An arm brace was designed as an arm brace, not a buttstock. Problem is, most folks buying it are doing so with the intent to use it as a buttstock, and BATFE finally caught on. ATF just essentially said that their ruling is only good if the Sig Brace is used AS DESIGNED as an arm brace, and that shouldering it (AKA redesigning/remaking/intending to use it) as a buttstock - which 99% of sig brace owners are - is an unregistered SBR, as the shoulder fired weapon now has a barrel less than 16 inches. Not that hard to follow if you look at the definitions of rifle and pistol up in 18 USC 921. Key phrase is 'designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended'. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Shooting the "rifle" with one hand, and without shouldering the stock, redesigns the buttstock into a counterweight. No. Doesn't change the design intent in your 'example'. (Doesn't matter anyway, cause pistols with barrels 16< are legal, and 'counterweights' aren't regulated in USC. . .) The buttstock was designed as a buttstock. Shooting it one handed or shouldered doesn't change that. Its primary purpose was to be a buttstock. An arm brace was designed as an arm brace, not a buttstock. Problem is, most folks buying it are doing so with the intent to use it as a buttstock, and BATFE finally caught on. ATF just essentially said that their ruling is only good if the Sig Brace is used AS DESIGNED as an arm brace, and that shouldering it (AKA redesigning/remaking/intending to use it) as a buttstock - which 99% of sig brace owners are - is an unregistered SBR, as the shoulder fired weapon now has a barrel less than 16 inches. Not that hard to follow if you look at the definitions of rifle and pistol up in 18 USC 921. (7) The term "rifle” means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of an explosive to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger. Key phrase is 'designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended'. That was a joke, man  |
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