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Posted: 4/9/2014 5:56:51 PM EDT
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I'm buying a revolver from my brother, he lives in Ill and I live in Mi. I don't have a FOID card anymore, but I do have a Mi CCW, if that means anything for this transaction. We're doing a FTF transfer, does this need to be done by an FFL? Not to sure about the cross state line thing. Any help you can provide is appreciated. Needs to be done by an FFL in MI, not IL. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 6:03:48 PM EDT
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I'm buying a revolver from my brother, he lives in Ill and I live in Mi. I don't have a FOID card anymore, but I do have a Mi CCW, if that means anything for this transaction. We're doing a FTF transfer, does this need to be done by an FFL? Not to sure about the cross state line thing. Any help you can provide is appreciated. Federal law doesn't allow anyone to directly transfer to you a handgun from outside of your state. You'll need to go though and FFL in your state, fill out a 4473 etc. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 6:37:01 PM EDT
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Needing a FFL for this.
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Posted: 4/9/2014 8:34:59 PM EDT
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As others have said, it's not legal to buy a <edit: handgun> in any state other than your own state of residence. I've heard of family transactions being done on the lowdown, but have no personal knowledge of such things. It would be illegal to do so, therefore I wouldn't recommend it.
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Posted: 4/10/2014 5:13:50 AM EDT
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OK, thx guys, we'll use an FFL here in MI. Not worth saving a few $ over.
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Posted: 4/10/2014 4:08:00 PM EDT
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As others have said, it's not legal to buy a firearm handgun in any state other than your own state of residence. I've heard of family transactions being done on the lowdown, but have no personal knowledge of such things. It would be illegal to do so, therefore I wouldn't recommend it. FIFY. The rules vary on long guns. IL residents can buy long guns from any state through an FFL with which it shares a border, for instance. But the rest of the advice is still valid. Go through the FFL. For $20-$40 you will both remain law-abiding citizens. EDIT: Fixing my ill-informed advice. |
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Posted: 4/10/2014 6:12:21 PM EDT
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FIFY. The rules vary on long guns. IL residents can buy long guns from any state with which it shares a border, for instance. But the rest of the advice is still valid. Go through the FFL. For $20-$40 you will both remain law-abiding citizens. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As others have said, it's not legal to buy a firearm handgun in any state other than your own state of residence. I've heard of family transactions being done on the lowdown, but have no personal knowledge of such things. It would be illegal to do so, therefore I wouldn't recommend it. FIFY. The rules vary on long guns. IL residents can buy long guns from any state with which it shares a border, for instance. But the rest of the advice is still valid. Go through the FFL. For $20-$40 you will both remain law-abiding citizens. Yes--thanks. Brain fart. 
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Posted: 4/10/2014 7:57:38 PM EDT
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FIFY. The rules vary on long guns. IL residents can buy long guns from any state with which it shares a border, for instance. But the rest of the advice is still valid. Go through the FFL. For $20-$40 you will both remain law-abiding citizens. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As others have said, it's not legal to buy a firearm handgun in any state other than your own state of residence. I've heard of family transactions being done on the lowdown, but have no personal knowledge of such things. It would be illegal to do so, therefore I wouldn't recommend it. FIFY. The rules vary on long guns. IL residents can buy long guns from any state with which it shares a border, for instance. But the rest of the advice is still valid. Go through the FFL. For $20-$40 you will both remain law-abiding citizens. True, but FTF's without an FFL are NEVER legal between non-licensees of a different state. If the OP lived in Indiana, he couldn't buy a rifle from the IL brother without using an FFL, even though the states are adjoining. |
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Posted: 4/11/2014 9:24:35 AM EDT
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Needs to be done by an FFL in MI, not IL. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm buying a revolver from my brother, he lives in Ill and I live in Mi. I don't have a FOID card anymore, but I do have a Mi CCW, if that means anything for this transaction. We're doing a FTF transfer, does this need to be done by an FFL? Not to sure about the cross state line thing. Any help you can provide is appreciated. Needs to be done by an FFL in MI, not IL. If I'm reading this right you need a FFL in IL to transfer the handgun. FFL's can only transfer handguns to non-licensed persons if they are residents of the same state. |
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Posted: 4/11/2014 10:00:11 AM EDT
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If I'm reading this right you need a FFL in IL to transfer the handgun. FFL's can only transfer handguns to non-licensed persons if they are residents of the same state. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm buying a revolver from my brother, he lives in Ill and I live in Mi. I don't have a FOID card anymore, but I do have a Mi CCW, if that means anything for this transaction. We're doing a FTF transfer, does this need to be done by an FFL? Not to sure about the cross state line thing. Any help you can provide is appreciated. Needs to be done by an FFL in MI, not IL. If I'm reading this right you need a FFL in IL to transfer the handgun. FFL's can only transfer handguns to non-licensed persons if they are residents of the same state. The FFL required is in the buyer's state, not the seller. The seller ships their firearm to the buyer's FFL in the buyer's state. The buyer's FFL then does the NICS check and then legally transfers the weapon. ETA: The seller then keeps on file, a record of the sale for 10 years. |
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Posted: 4/11/2014 11:17:48 AM EDT
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The FFL required is in the buyer's state, not the seller. The seller ships their firearm to the buyer's FFL in the buyer's state. The buyer's FFL then does the NICS check and then legally transfers the weapon. ETA: The seller then keeps on file, a record of the sale for 10 years. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm buying a revolver from my brother, he lives in Ill and I live in Mi. I don't have a FOID card anymore, but I do have a Mi CCW, if that means anything for this transaction. We're doing a FTF transfer, does this need to be done by an FFL? Not to sure about the cross state line thing. Any help you can provide is appreciated. Needs to be done by an FFL in MI, not IL. If I'm reading this right you need a FFL in IL to transfer the handgun. FFL's can only transfer handguns to non-licensed persons if they are residents of the same state. The FFL required is in the buyer's state, not the seller. The seller ships their firearm to the buyer's FFL in the buyer's state. The buyer's FFL then does the NICS check and then legally transfers the weapon. ETA: The seller then keeps on file, a record of the sale for 10 years. You're right, I don't know what I'm thinking here. It could still be ftf without shipping, but have to go through ffl. The seller would have to go to FFL in MI, transfer to them, and then FFL would transfer to OP. |
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Posted: 4/11/2014 7:28:05 PM EDT
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You're right, I don't know what I'm thinking here. It could still be ftf without shipping, but have to go through ffl. The seller would have to go to FFL in MI, transfer to them, and then FFL would transfer to OP. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm buying a revolver from my brother, he lives in Ill and I live in Mi. I don't have a FOID card anymore, but I do have a Mi CCW, if that means anything for this transaction. We're doing a FTF transfer, does this need to be done by an FFL? Not to sure about the cross state line thing. Any help you can provide is appreciated. Needs to be done by an FFL in MI, not IL. If I'm reading this right you need a FFL in IL to transfer the handgun. FFL's can only transfer handguns to non-licensed persons if they are residents of the same state. The FFL required is in the buyer's state, not the seller. The seller ships their firearm to the buyer's FFL in the buyer's state. The buyer's FFL then does the NICS check and then legally transfers the weapon. ETA: The seller then keeps on file, a record of the sale for 10 years. You're right, I don't know what I'm thinking here. It could still be ftf without shipping, but have to go through ffl. The seller would have to go to FFL in MI, transfer to them, and then FFL would transfer to OP. Correct, so long as it's done in MI, not IL. |
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Posted: 4/12/2014 7:34:09 PM EDT
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True, but FTF's without an FFL are NEVER legal between non-licensees of a different state. If the OP lived in Indiana, he couldn't buy a rifle from the IL brother without using an FFL, even though the states are adjoining. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As others have said, it's not legal to buy a firearm handgun in any state other than your own state of residence. I've heard of family transactions being done on the lowdown, but have no personal knowledge of such things. It would be illegal to do so, therefore I wouldn't recommend it. FIFY. The rules vary on long guns. IL residents can buy long guns from any state with which it shares a border, for instance. But the rest of the advice is still valid. Go through the FFL. For $20-$40 you will both remain law-abiding citizens. True, but FTF's without an FFL are NEVER legal between non-licensees of a different state. If the OP lived in Indiana, he couldn't buy a rifle from the IL brother without using an FFL, even though the states are adjoining. Ahhh, hell. '13ers gonna '13.  Sorry for the misinformation!
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Posted: 4/13/2014 4:18:42 AM EDT
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The Michigan resident can also come to Illinois and do a transfer at an IL FFL. The IL FFL calls in the transfer as normal but selects out of state transfer on the automated system. A live person comes on the line to take the info and gives approval.
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Posted: 4/13/2014 8:58:47 AM EDT
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The Michigan resident can also come to Illinois and do a transfer at an IL FFL. The IL FFL calls in the transfer as normal but selects out of state transfer on the automated system. A live person comes on the line to take the info and gives approval. Joe I don't think that's accurate. States all have different rules on firearms ownership, this is why it must be done in the buyer's state, and not the sellers. IL doesn't care what the rules are in the buyer's state, only their own. Here is a good article on the law by the NRA: http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/fact-sheets/2011/hr-58s-1691,-the-firearms-interstat.aspx |
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Posted: 4/13/2014 11:33:33 AM EDT
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So all those "walk in" transfers completed at the Hammond, IN Cabela's store does for Michigan and Illinois residents are a problem?
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I don't think that's accurate. States all have different rules on firearms ownership, this is why it must be done in the buyer's state, and not the sellers. IL doesn't care what the rules are in the buyer's state, only their own. Here is a good article on the law by the NRA: http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/fact-sheets/2011/hr-58s-1691,-the-firearms-interstat.aspx Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Michigan resident can also come to Illinois and do a transfer at an IL FFL. The IL FFL calls in the transfer as normal but selects out of state transfer on the automated system. A live person comes on the line to take the info and gives approval. Joe I don't think that's accurate. States all have different rules on firearms ownership, this is why it must be done in the buyer's state, and not the sellers. IL doesn't care what the rules are in the buyer's state, only their own. Here is a good article on the law by the NRA: http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/fact-sheets/2011/hr-58s-1691,-the-firearms-interstat.aspx |
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Posted: 4/13/2014 4:08:19 PM EDT
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If they are long guns, no. If they are pistols, yes.
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So all those "walk in" transfers completed at the Hammond, IN Cabela's store does for Michigan and Illinois residents are a problem? Joe Quote HistoryQuoted:
So all those "walk in" transfers completed at the Hammond, IN Cabela's store does for Michigan and Illinois residents are a problem? Joe Quoted:
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The Michigan resident can also come to Illinois and do a transfer at an IL FFL. The IL FFL calls in the transfer as normal but selects out of state transfer on the automated system. A live person comes on the line to take the info and gives approval. Joe I don't think that's accurate. States all have different rules on firearms ownership, this is why it must be done in the buyer's state, and not the sellers. IL doesn't care what the rules are in the buyer's state, only their own. Here is a good article on the law by the NRA: http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/fact-sheets/2011/hr-58s-1691,-the-firearms-interstat.aspx |
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Posted: 4/13/2014 4:20:55 PM EDT
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Thx for the help guys, I drove back to Mich today with 2 long guns, but the revolver is being mail to my FFL.
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