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Posted: 5/1/2016 6:57:29 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MHS69:
Hang in there Squirrel! It'll be worth it! Pic's when it's finished. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MHS69:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By Proto3:
Hell yea! Got my Stamp! sent 12/28/15 (i think) got the stamp today 4/14/16 I'm a month behind you.  Hang in there Squirrel! It'll be worth it! Pic's when it's finished. I still need to get it machined and anodized. I'm gonna be in a mad scramble if that stamp shows up soon. 
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Posted: 5/2/2016 10:09:36 AM EDT
[#2]
Next project in the pipeline
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:35:59 AM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Petes1552:
Next project in the pipeline
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l60/Petes1552/Mobile%20Uploads/57B852BE-D4BC-4FE3-B617-A9DC9004100F_zps8n7wwp9l.jpg Oh baby, I need one of those. |
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Posted: 5/3/2016 11:05:24 AM EDT
[#4]
Is it June yet?
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Posted: 5/12/2016 7:41:31 PM EDT
[#5]
SBR is done!
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Posted: 5/12/2016 8:28:40 PM EDT
[#6]
Nice!
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Posted: 5/12/2016 8:31:49 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryDiggin the color 
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Posted: 5/28/2016 7:13:31 AM EDT
[#8]
So maybe I asked this before, and forgot if it was answered... hopefully there's a guru here who can answer my question.
From what I've read, when you make (or assemble) the SBR (upper in the case of the AR platform), it becomes a "firearm" and must be serialized or otherwise identified with a manufacturer ID. This means you have the lower, which has the usual MFG, M/N & S/N on it, and the upper, which has your info - assuming you're the one who creates (assembles) it. Your papers (or good copies thereof) have to stay with the upper proving it's legit. you have to file a mother-may-I if you take it over state lines, yadda yadda. That part I get. If you remove the SBR upper and replace it with a non-SBR upper, your original AR magically reverts to just another rifle, correct? |
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Posted: 5/28/2016 1:01:04 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tango7:
So maybe I asked this before, and forgot if it was answered... hopefully there's a guru here who can answer my question. From what I've read, when you make (or assemble) the SBR (upper in the case of the AR platform), it becomes a "firearm" and must be serialized or otherwise identified with a manufacturer ID. This means you have the lower, which has the usual MFG, M/N & S/N on it, and the upper, which has your info - assuming you're the one who creates (assembles) it. Your papers (or good copies thereof) have to stay with the upper proving it's legit. you have to file a mother-may-I if you take it over state lines, yadda yadda. That part I get. If you remove the SBR upper and replace it with a non-SBR upper, your original AR magically reverts to just another rifle, correct? No. An upper doesnt need a serial number or anything. Only the lower is legally a firearm which is why it is the only part you can't have shipped directly to your house. When you register the lower as an SBR you put what length barrel it will originally have and after that you can swap out any barrel length as long as you keep within the overall length of 26 inches or more. |
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Posted: 6/3/2016 1:01:14 PM EDT
[#10]
Ok, so I'm really new to this.
Just got my C&R FFL. Printed out the double sided Form 1's. Where do I get fingerprints done? Passport photo? Which fingerprint card? FBI FD-258FA or LE? Is there a Form 1 for dummies? What can be SBR'd? Any and all help is welcome and appreciated, Thanks, dog13 |
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Posted: 6/3/2016 2:30:12 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dogrobber13:
Ok, so I'm really new to this. Just got my C&R FFL. Printed out the double sided Form 1's. Where do I get fingerprints done? - most PD's will do them, I used biometric impressions, it was $25. Passport photo? - went to CVS it was $10 or $15 I don't recall Which fingerprint card? -See below FBI FD-258FA or LE? -LE, they should be blue Is there a Form 1 for dummies? -Check out post #473. That's a pretty solid picture guide. If you have any specific questions someone here will help out for sure. What can be SBR'd? My understanding is anything, so long as it's overall length is 26"+ not counting the muzzle device unless it is pinned. Any and all help is welcome and appreciated, Thanks, dog13 |
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Posted: 6/3/2016 4:45:26 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Petes1552:
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Petes1552:
Originally Posted By dogrobber13:
Ok, so I'm really new to this. Just got my C&R FFL. Printed out the double sided Form 1's. Where do I get fingerprints done? - most PD's will do them, I used biometric impressions, it was $25. Passport photo? - went to CVS it was $10 or $15 I don't recall Which fingerprint card? -See below FBI FD-258FA or LE? -LE, they should be blue Is there a Form 1 for dummies? -Check out post #473. That's a pretty solid picture guide. If you have any specific questions someone here will help out for sure. What can be SBR'd? My understanding is anything, so long as it's overall length is 26"+ not counting the muzzle device unless it is pinned. Any and all help is welcome and appreciated, Thanks, dog13 I used the same fingerprint people, it was easy. I just had someone take my picture on their phone and I resized it on the computer and printed it, no need to pay for one from a store. |
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Posted: 6/3/2016 9:35:42 PM EDT
[#13]
Started as thread in the HTF as well, but anyone got a lead on someone with a mill that would let me machine out my SBR 80%? I'm coming down to the wire, hoping to see my stamp in the next month and I still haven't gotten it machined.
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Posted: 6/7/2016 8:20:52 PM EDT
[#14]
So.....I got an email today from the ATF. I got kind of excited, then I read the first line of the email. Apparently they've been trying to contact me, but my number changed about a month after I submitted and didn't think anything of it. Well, since I'm doing an 80%, I put myself down as manufacturer. The paperwork doesn't ask if it's an 80% though, just if it's Colt, Spikes......etc. The guy gave me his direct number and I got him on the first ring, and had it sorted in less than a minute. Whew......got kinda worried.
I asked him if he had an idea when it might go into approval, since it's at the inspection stage. He said it should be within the next few weeks.
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Posted: 6/9/2016 2:00:50 PM EDT
[#15]
Getting ready to send forms for sheriff sign off.
Which forms does he sign? I have the ATF form 1's printed but I don't know which to send. |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 4:21:01 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dogrobber13:
Getting ready to send forms for sheriff sign off. Which forms does he sign? I have the ATF form 1's printed but I don't know which to send. he just needs to sign the backside of each copy where it says cleo signature or whatever |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 8:29:11 PM EDT
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So this will be going down this weekend.
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Posted: 6/9/2016 9:09:23 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Proto3:
he just needs to sign the backside of each copy where it says cleo signature or whatever Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Proto3:
Originally Posted By dogrobber13:
Getting ready to send forms for sheriff sign off. Which forms does he sign? I have the ATF form 1's printed but I don't know which to send. he just needs to sign the backside of each copy where it says cleo signature or whatever Thank you sir. |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 9:56:54 PM EDT
[#19]
>>>he just needs to sign the backside of each copy where it says cleo signature or whatever<<<
41F is going to be in play shortly. You can wait and just notify the CLEO instead of just asking for a signature in the future. I'm pretty sure the forms are going to be changed pretty quickly to accommodate this. Just a thought. |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 10:06:01 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Logistics:
>>>he just needs to sign the backside of each copy where it says cleo signature or whatever<<< 41F is going to be in play shortly. You can wait and just notify the CLEO instead of just asking for a signature in the future. I'm pretty sure the forms are going to be changed pretty quickly to accommodate this. Just a thought. Mine was cool about signing off, so I wasn't worried and didn't want to wait.
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Posted: 6/10/2016 8:26:19 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Mine was cool about signing off, so I wasn't worried and didn't want to wait. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By Logistics:
>>>he just needs to sign the backside of each copy where it says cleo signature or whatever<<< 41F is going to be in play shortly. You can wait and just notify the CLEO instead of just asking for a signature in the future. I'm pretty sure the forms are going to be changed pretty quickly to accommodate this. Just a thought. Mine was cool about signing off, so I wasn't worried and didn't want to wait. Exactly! |
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Posted: 6/10/2016 12:04:53 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Mine was cool about signing off, so I wasn't worried and didn't want to wait. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By Logistics:
>>>he just needs to sign the backside of each copy where it says cleo signature or whatever<<< 41F is going to be in play shortly. You can wait and just notify the CLEO instead of just asking for a signature in the future. I'm pretty sure the forms are going to be changed pretty quickly to accommodate this. Just a thought. Mine was cool about signing off, so I wasn't worried and didn't want to wait. I had one signed off before 41p was announced, now I'm just too lazy and I'm going to wait on my other form 1s. |
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Posted: 6/21/2016 6:39:01 PM EDT
[#23]
Aww yissss
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Posted: 6/22/2016 12:16:30 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Aww yissss
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii33/perrymclovin/CDB39402-7970-44C6-8151-79C2244B8E9D_zpsoeblwkgq.jpg hell yea! |
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Posted: 6/22/2016 9:28:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Aww yissss
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii33/perrymclovin/CDB39402-7970-44C6-8151-79C2244B8E9D_zpsoeblwkgq.jpg Hell yeah! Did you function check it yet? That is going to be sweet once you get it all put together man. |
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Posted: 6/22/2016 9:30:48 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Petes1552:
Hell yeah! Did you function check it yet? That is going to be sweet once you get it all put together man. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Petes1552:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Aww yissss
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii33/perrymclovin/CDB39402-7970-44C6-8151-79C2244B8E9D_zpsoeblwkgq.jpg Hell yeah! Did you function check it yet? That is going to be sweet once you get it all put together man. Yup. Everything works like a dream. Trying to get out soon to fire-test it before I send it out for anodizing. |
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Posted: 6/23/2016 3:06:33 PM EDT
[#27]
How many fingerprint cards per app do I have to send in?
Thanks, dog13 |
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Posted: 6/23/2016 3:09:22 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dogrobber13:
How many fingerprint cards per app do I have to send in? Thanks, dog13 Uno |
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Posted: 6/23/2016 5:20:16 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Uno Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By dogrobber13:
How many fingerprint cards per app do I have to send in? Thanks, dog13 Uno I thought it was two? I think I sent in two either way
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Posted: 6/23/2016 5:57:51 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Proto3:
I thought it was two? I think I sent in two either way Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Proto3:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By dogrobber13:
How many fingerprint cards per app do I have to send in? Thanks, dog13 Uno I thought it was two? I think I sent in two either way Ya know.........after I posted that it started running through my head. I think I did 2 sets as well. Getting old sucks.
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Posted: 7/4/2016 8:23:51 AM EDT
[#31]
They sure do cash that money quick!
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Posted: 7/4/2016 11:43:40 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dogrobber13:
They sure do cash that money quick! Yup. But they drag their feet on refunds. 
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Posted: 7/4/2016 1:20:37 PM EDT
[#33]
I live in Crook County and I ran into my local CLEO at our local 4th fest on Saturday and he said he would "not interfere with my rights" when I asked him about signing off on an SBR form. I kniw if I wait a week I don't need him but I'd like to get started before that.
I have several questions. 1. Where specifically does the law state that the overall lenth is messured with the stock extended? 2. Where in the Northwest suburbs of Chicago can I get an 80% reciever finished. 3. Where can I get good engraving done in the Northwest suburbs of Chicago? 4. Can anyone tell me what Colt, WW, or Bushmaster ask for 14.5" semi-auto but otherwise milspec M4's? Or where I can find that info? 5. Are there any NFA dealers inIllinois right now? Thanks in advance GuapoPogi |
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Posted: 7/5/2016 7:37:35 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GuapoPogi:
I live in Crook County and I ran into my local CLEO at our local 4th fest on Saturday and he said he would "not interfere with my rights" when I asked him about signing off on an SBR form. I kniw if I wait a week I don't need him but I'd like to get started before that. I have several questions. 1. Where specifically does the law state that the overall lenth is messured with the stock extended? 2. Where in the Northwest suburbs of Chicago can I get an 80% reciever finished. 3. Where can I get good engraving done in the Northwest suburbs of Chicago? 4. Can anyone tell me what Colt, WW, or Bushmaster ask for 14.5" semi-auto but otherwise milspec M4's? Or where I can find that info? 5. Are there any NFA dealers inIllinois right now? Thanks in advance GuapoPogi I believe the CLEO sign off has become irrelevant as of today. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong. |
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Posted: 7/6/2016 1:39:49 PM EDT
[#35]
I also have a few questions. Is all that is needed for a SBR now is a C&R? I heard there was a date and I would love to buy a sbr'd ak or Fal clone from DSA to support a local company. The last I remember is there was a date where LEO wouldn't have to sign off but I have no idea what the details are.
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Posted: 7/6/2016 2:18:55 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tango_6:
I also have a few questions. Is all that is needed for a SBR now is a C&R? I heard there was a date and I would love to buy a sbr'd ak or Fal clone from DSA to support a local company. The last I remember is there was a date where LEO wouldn't have to sign off but I have no idea what the details are. From what I understand, 1JUL was the beginning of the new rules. |
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Posted: 7/6/2016 3:10:09 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tango_6:
I also have a few questions. Is all that is needed for a SBR now is a C&R? I heard there was a date and I would love to buy a sbr'd ak or Fal clone from DSA to support a local company. The last I remember is there was a date where LEO wouldn't have to sign off but I have no idea what the details are. So what you have to do is... get a c&r submit a form 1 (with fingerprints) Send a copy to your cleo (once the new regs are in affect, not sure if the ATF came out with the new form 1's or not) get lower engraved with this, Your Name Town, IL |
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Posted: 7/6/2016 3:12:38 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tango_6:
I also have a few questions. Is all that is needed for a SBR now is a C&R? I heard there was a date and I would love to buy a sbr'd ak or Fal clone from DSA to support a local company. The last I remember is there was a date where LEO wouldn't have to sign off but I have no idea what the details are. Yep a C&R is all that you need. The date where we no longer need to get signoffs is July 13th. Now we will just need to send a copy of the completed form 1 to the CLEO in the area where we live. Post 41f, I'm planning on sending any forms registered mail to my CLEO so that I have some proof of delivery. https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/chief-law-enforcement-officer-required-sign-law-enforcement-certification-atf-form-1-or |
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Posted: 7/15/2016 1:08:12 PM EDT
[#39]
So since it's officially time with no more CLEO signatures....
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Posted: 7/15/2016 1:09:13 PM EDT
[#40]
So, have the forms changed?
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Posted: 7/15/2016 1:44:35 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By purevl2:
So, have the forms changed? Yep, no longer need a CLEO signature. You just need to send a copy of the filled out form to them as a "notification." Here's the new form: https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/form/form-1-application-make-and-register-firearm-atf-form-53201/download |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 5:19:37 PM EDT
[#42]
Anyone registered a DD yet?
Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 7:24:55 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Manticore_Arms:
Anyone registered a DD yet?
Sven Manticore Arms What are some example as a destructive device? If there's one I want I'll do it. |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 7:43:56 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Proto3:
What are some example as a destructive device? If there's one I want I'll do it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Proto3:
Originally Posted By Manticore_Arms:
Anyone registered a DD yet?
Sven Manticore Arms What are some example as a destructive device? If there's one I want I'll do it. Don't M203's fall under DD? |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 10:14:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Proto3]
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Don't M203's fall under DD? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By Proto3:
Originally Posted By Manticore_Arms:
Anyone registered a DD yet?
Sven Manticore Arms What are some example as a destructive device? If there's one I want I'll do it. Don't M203's fall under DD? I THINK so. What would you legally be allowed to shoot out of it? If they are allowed, I want one on an AR just for the cool factor. |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 11:04:33 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Proto3:
I THINK so. What would you legally be allowed to shoot out of it? If they are allowed, I want one on an AR just for the cool factor. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Proto3:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By Proto3:
Originally Posted By Manticore_Arms:
Anyone registered a DD yet?
Sven Manticore Arms What are some example as a destructive device? If there's one I want I'll do it. Don't M203's fall under DD? I THINK so. What would you legally be allowed to shoot out of it? If they are allowed, I want one on an AR just for the cool factor. M203's are destructive devices if they are 40mm. Pretty much smoke, chalk, and flares, although as a destructive device you can load buckshot loads as far as I know. Check out the Destructive Devices forum in the Armory for more details. |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 11:20:04 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Proto3:
I THINK so. What would you legally be allowed to shoot out of it? If they are allowed, I want one on an AR just for the cool factor. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Proto3:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By Proto3:
Originally Posted By Manticore_Arms:
Anyone registered a DD yet?
Sven Manticore Arms What are some example as a destructive device? If there's one I want I'll do it. Don't M203's fall under DD? I THINK so. What would you legally be allowed to shoot out of it? If they are allowed, I want one on an AR just for the cool factor. Basically anything but the HEDP rounds. Most folks just run chalk and flares. |
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Posted: 8/3/2016 6:53:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: gotfish]
[#48]
For those of you that have had a SBR for a while:
When your C&R FFL expires, do you need to renew to continue to own the SBR, or was it a "get it and got it" situation and I won't need it unless I go through another Form 1 process? Mine expires in November and I'd hate to violate any of da rules! |
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Posted: 8/3/2016 7:18:17 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gotfish:
For those of you that have had a SBR for a while: When your C&R FFL expires, do you need to renew to continue to own the SBR, or was it a "get it and got it" situation and I won't need it unless I go through another Form 1 process? Mine expires in November and I'd hate to violate any of da rules! Gotta renew. I need to mail mine off soon. |
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Posted: 8/3/2016 10:15:31 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
I need to mail mine off soon.[/span] That's what I figured - thanks! 
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