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Posted: 12/3/2015 5:14:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Petes1552:
Awesome! Mine was cashed on the 14th (mailed on 10/8). Looking at the NFA Tracker graph, Form 1 paper individuals have been averaging around 45-60 days lately it appears. The latest approvals (F1/paper/individual) that were logged there, the checks were cashed on 10/6 and 10/8. I've been so anxious the last few days thinking about it since I'm at 49 days currently 
I will probably give them a call tomorrow or Friday to check up Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Petes1552:
Originally Posted By jal777:
My check was cashed on Oct 25. Hoping for the best. Awesome! Mine was cashed on the 14th (mailed on 10/8). Looking at the NFA Tracker graph, Form 1 paper individuals have been averaging around 45-60 days lately it appears. The latest approvals (F1/paper/individual) that were logged there, the checks were cashed on 10/6 and 10/8. I've been so anxious the last few days thinking about it since I'm at 49 days currently
I will probably give them a call tomorrow or Friday to check up You're very close! Yes, I've been checking on the tracker and it sure does look like they are speeding through individual F1's. |
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Posted: 12/3/2015 9:38:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jal777:
You're very close! Yes, I've been checking on the tracker and it sure does look like they are speeding through individual F1's. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jal777:
Originally Posted By Petes1552:
Originally Posted By jal777:
My check was cashed on Oct 25. Hoping for the best. Awesome! Mine was cashed on the 14th (mailed on 10/8). Looking at the NFA Tracker graph, Form 1 paper individuals have been averaging around 45-60 days lately it appears. The latest approvals (F1/paper/individual) that were logged there, the checks were cashed on 10/6 and 10/8. I've been so anxious the last few days thinking about it since I'm at 49 days currently
I will probably give them a call tomorrow or Friday to check up You're very close! Yes, I've been checking on the tracker and it sure does look like they are speeding through individual F1's. Yea, looks like about 2 months wait which isn't too bad. |
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Posted: 12/3/2015 10:48:34 PM EDT
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I received my last stamp in mid October and it was 53 days from pending to receipt.
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Posted: 12/4/2015 5:12:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Petes1552]
[#4]
Just called...APPROVED!!
Sent in 10/8 Check cashed 10/14 Approved 11/30 Received - 12/8 I want to jump around I'm so excited |
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Posted: 12/4/2015 7:32:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Petes1552:
Just called...APPROVED!!
Sent in 10/8 Check cashed 10/14 Approved 11/30 Received - TBD I want to jump around I'm so excited very nice! |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 12/5/2015 1:08:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Petes1552:
Just called...APPROVED!!
Sent in 10/8 Check cashed 10/14 Approved 11/30 Received - TBD I want to jump around I'm so excited Excellent! A few of us are right behind you and excited as well! |
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Posted: 12/9/2015 1:57:57 AM EDT
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What counties are you guys in?
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Posted: 12/9/2015 10:03:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevieJ309:
What counties are you guys in? Will County here. Stamp came in yesterday 
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IL, USA
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Posted: 12/9/2015 4:40:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: jal777]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Petes1552:
Will County here. Stamp came in yesterday Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Petes1552:
Originally Posted By StevieJ309:
What counties are you guys in? Will County here. Stamp came in yesterday Will county here also. And congrats Petes! |
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Posted: 12/9/2015 6:23:21 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Petes1552:
Will County here. Stamp came in yesterday Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Petes1552:
Originally Posted By StevieJ309:
What counties are you guys in? Will County here. Stamp came in yesterday Where are you getting your lower engraved? |
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Posted: 12/9/2015 8:16:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Proto3:
Where are you getting your lower engraved? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Proto3:
Originally Posted By Petes1552:
Originally Posted By StevieJ309:
What counties are you guys in? Will County here. Stamp came in yesterday Where are you getting your lower engraved? Really happy with these guys - very neat engraving and super fast turnaround time: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_118/1408993_NFA_Engraving.html |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 12/9/2015 10:07:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By s1175290:
Really happy with these guys - very neat engraving and super fast turnaround time: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_118/1408993_NFA_Engraving.html Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By s1175290:
Originally Posted By Proto3:
Originally Posted By Petes1552:
Originally Posted By StevieJ309:
What counties are you guys in? Will County here. Stamp came in yesterday Where are you getting your lower engraved? Really happy with these guys - very neat engraving and super fast turnaround time: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_118/1408993_NFA_Engraving.html I'm going with these guys as well. |
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Posted: 12/9/2015 10:20:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By s1175290:
Really happy with these guys - very neat engraving and super fast turnaround time: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_118/1408993_NFA_Engraving.html Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By s1175290:
Originally Posted By Proto3:
Originally Posted By Petes1552:
Originally Posted By StevieJ309:
What counties are you guys in? Will County here. Stamp came in yesterday Where are you getting your lower engraved? Really happy with these guys - very neat engraving and super fast turnaround time: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_118/1408993_NFA_Engraving.html did you ship your lower yourself? I've never shipped a gun or really know what the rules are with that. |
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Posted: 12/9/2015 11:01:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Petes1552]
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Proto3:
Where are you getting your lower engraved? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Proto3:
Originally Posted By Petes1552:
Originally Posted By StevieJ309:
What counties are you guys in? Will County here. Stamp came in yesterday Where are you getting your lower engraved? I sent mine to Ident in Texas. As far as your shipping question I just did it through UPS. It had to be through a customer center which made it a bit of a drive since there are only a few of those. But it was super easy. I just went in told them what it was and shipped it. Lady had no issues at all. Edit: I had it all packed up ahead of time so I just dropped it off. |
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Posted: 12/11/2015 7:29:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Petes1552:
I sent mine to Ident in Texas. As far as your shipping question I just did it through UPS. It had to be through a customer center which made it a bit of a drive since there are only a few of those. But it was super easy. I just went in told them what it was and shipped it. Lady had no issues at all. Edit: I had it all packed up ahead of time so I just dropped it off. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Petes1552:
Originally Posted By Proto3:
Originally Posted By Petes1552:
Originally Posted By StevieJ309:
What counties are you guys in? Will County here. Stamp came in yesterday Where are you getting your lower engraved? I sent mine to Ident in Texas. As far as your shipping question I just did it through UPS. It had to be through a customer center which made it a bit of a drive since there are only a few of those. But it was super easy. I just went in told them what it was and shipped it. Lady had no issues at all. Edit: I had it all packed up ahead of time so I just dropped it off. Cool, I'm hoping I can find a place in the suburbs so I don't have to ship it. We'll see, still waiting on my stamp. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 3:03:33 PM EDT
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ATF sent my form 1 back to me today, saying the first 2 pages need to be front/back on one page. Time to reprint and resend.
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OH, USA
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Posted: 12/15/2015 10:25:04 AM EDT
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I have a question for all the local IL residents on traveling with an SBR to your state.
I was looking to do a training class in IL this coming spring/summer since IL has legal SBR's will I be ok with just filling out the ATF form .20 for transporting. I have an IN carry license but I'm sure IL does not recognize that at all if a ccw/permit is needed to use an SBR in your state. |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 10:31:55 AM EDT
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Illinois does not require a Concealed Carry permit to have a SBR here - one has nothing to do with the other. For us to obtain a SBR, we need to first obtain a Curios and Relics FFL. I believe that you would legally be able to transport and use a SBR here with an approved 5320.20 form.
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Posted: 12/19/2015 3:44:59 PM EDT
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reprinted/mailed my form 1 stuff today. we'll see if it gets approved.
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IL, USA
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Posted: 12/19/2015 5:00:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: jal777]
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Update: The MIA stamp was approved at a later date according to my call to ATF. I should have it in hand soon.
Well I got all of my stamps in today minus 1. I sent everything in together in one envelope including forms, payment, prints and C&R. I'm both happy and bummed out since I don't know what happened with the other one and ATF is closed today. Mailed: Oct 14-16 (I can't remember exactly) Check cashed: Oct 20 Approved: Dec 11 Received: Dec 19 Robin C. was my examiner. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 5:10:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jal777:
Well I got all of my stamps in today minus 1. I sent everything in together one envelope including forms, payment, prints and C&R. I both happy and bummed out since I don't know what happened with the other one and ATF is closed today. Mailed: Oct 14-16 (I can't remember exactly) Check cashed: Oct 20 Approved: Dec 11 Received: Dec 19 Robin C. was my examiner. Did you call to see if they were approved? Or is there another way to see if you're approved? |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 12/19/2015 5:23:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: jal777]
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Proto3:
Did you call to see if they were approved? Or is there another way to see if you're approved? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Proto3:
Originally Posted By jal777:
Well I got all of my stamps in today minus 1. I sent everything in together one envelope including forms, payment, prints and C&R. I both happy and bummed out since I don't know what happened with the other one and ATF is closed today. Mailed: Oct 14-16 (I can't remember exactly) Check cashed: Oct 20 Approved: Dec 11 Received: Dec 19 Robin C. was my examiner. Did you call to see if they were approved? Or is there another way to see if you're approved? I didn't call to check my status, I just relied on nfa tracker which is updated by users (I'm going to post my info later on). I don't know of another method of checking the status besides calling. Was just reading your situation regarding having to re-print and re-send everything. How is that going to work with the leo signature? |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 5:34:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jal777:
I didn't call to check my status, I just relied on nfa tracker which is updated by users (I'm going to post my info later on). I don't know of another method of checking the status besides calling. Was just reading your situation regarding having to re-print and re-send everything. How is that going to work with the leo signature? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jal777:
Originally Posted By Proto3:
Originally Posted By jal777:
Well I got all of my stamps in today minus 1. I sent everything in together one envelope including forms, payment, prints and C&R. I both happy and bummed out since I don't know what happened with the other one and ATF is closed today. Mailed: Oct 14-16 (I can't remember exactly) Check cashed: Oct 20 Approved: Dec 11 Received: Dec 19 Robin C. was my examiner. Did you call to see if they were approved? Or is there another way to see if you're approved? I didn't call to check my status, I just relied on nfa tracker which is updated by users (I'm going to post my info later on). I don't know of another method of checking the status besides calling. Was just reading your situation regarding having to re-print and re-send everything. How is that going to work with the leo signature? The forms I originally sent were scanned, looks like ink though. So if they send it back saying it's no good I'll have to get back in contact with the cleo, which I'm trying to avoid. |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 12/19/2015 5:53:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Proto3:
The forms I originally sent were scanned, looks like ink though. So if they send it back saying it's no good I'll have to get back in contact with the cleo, which I'm trying to avoid. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Proto3:
Originally Posted By jal777:
Originally Posted By Proto3:
Originally Posted By jal777:
Well I got all of my stamps in today minus 1. I sent everything in together one envelope including forms, payment, prints and C&R. I both happy and bummed out since I don't know what happened with the other one and ATF is closed today. Mailed: Oct 14-16 (I can't remember exactly) Check cashed: Oct 20 Approved: Dec 11 Received: Dec 19 Robin C. was my examiner. Did you call to see if they were approved? Or is there another way to see if you're approved? I didn't call to check my status, I just relied on nfa tracker which is updated by users (I'm going to post my info later on). I don't know of another method of checking the status besides calling. Was just reading your situation regarding having to re-print and re-send everything. How is that going to work with the leo signature? The forms I originally sent were scanned, looks like ink though. So if they send it back saying it's no good I'll have to get back in contact with the cleo, which I'm trying to avoid. Hopefully they will accept it, even though they explicitly ask that the signature be in ink. Best of luck to you. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 5:54:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Proto3]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jal777:
Hopefully they will accept it, even though they explicitly ask that the signature be in ink. Best of luck to you. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jal777:
Originally Posted By Proto3:
Originally Posted By jal777:
Originally Posted By Proto3:
Originally Posted By jal777:
Well I got all of my stamps in today minus 1. I sent everything in together one envelope including forms, payment, prints and C&R. I both happy and bummed out since I don't know what happened with the other one and ATF is closed today. Mailed: Oct 14-16 (I can't remember exactly) Check cashed: Oct 20 Approved: Dec 11 Received: Dec 19 Robin C. was my examiner. Did you call to see if they were approved? Or is there another way to see if you're approved? I didn't call to check my status, I just relied on nfa tracker which is updated by users (I'm going to post my info later on). I don't know of another method of checking the status besides calling. Was just reading your situation regarding having to re-print and re-send everything. How is that going to work with the leo signature? The forms I originally sent were scanned, looks like ink though. So if they send it back saying it's no good I'll have to get back in contact with the cleo, which I'm trying to avoid. Hopefully they will accept it, even though they explicitly ask that the signature be in ink. Best of luck to you. Thanks, I'll let you guys know what happens. And how does NFA tracker work exactly? How do users update and know if your application is approved? |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 12/19/2015 6:14:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: jal777]
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@Proto3
NFA tracker is user based. You create an account and update the status of your F1 (date mailed, check cashed, pending, ect) as you find out. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 6:16:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jal777:
@Proto3 NFA tracker is user based. You created an account and update the status of your F1 (date mailed, check cashed, pending, ect) as you find out. Cool, thanks. |
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Posted: 12/24/2015 1:29:22 PM EDT
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Hi guys, trying to get a C&R FFL but I only see 01/02 then it skips to 06.
I don't see a 03 (C&R) FFL for the $30 that you guys have gotten. Can someone help me out here? |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 12/24/2015 2:16:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dogrobber13:
Hi guys, trying to get a C&R FFL but I only see 01/02 then it skips to 06. I don't see a 03 (C&R) FFL for the $30 that you guys have gotten. Can someone help me out here? Here's the form you're looking for: https://www.atf.gov/file/61516/download |
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Posted: 12/24/2015 2:20:14 PM EDT
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Anyone move and have to change the address on their C&R? Been contemplating on pursuing the SBR thing again since I've moved to a new county and need to update the C&R.
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Posted: 12/24/2015 2:38:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By turningfinal:
Here's the form you're looking for: https://www.atf.gov/file/61516/download Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By turningfinal:
Originally Posted By dogrobber13:
Hi guys, trying to get a C&R FFL but I only see 01/02 then it skips to 06. I don't see a 03 (C&R) FFL for the $30 that you guys have gotten. Can someone help me out here? Here's the form you're looking for: https://www.atf.gov/file/61516/download Thank you sir! |
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USA
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Posted: 1/5/2016 7:31:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: pandainlove]
[#32]
The new ATF ruling effective in 6 months seems to remove the requirement of CLEO sign off.
https://www.atf.gov/file/100896/download |
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USA
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Posted: 1/5/2016 8:47:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pandainlove:
The new ATF ruling effective in 6 months seems to remove the requirement of CLEO sign off. https://www.atf.gov/file/100896/download Came here to hopefully get more insight on this ruling. Time to read, might be able to finally get one. |
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Posted: 1/5/2016 9:04:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 383laguna:
Came here to hopefully get more insight on this ruling. Time to read, might be able to finally get one. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 383laguna:
Originally Posted By pandainlove:
The new ATF ruling effective in 6 months seems to remove the requirement of CLEO sign off. https://www.atf.gov/file/100896/download Came here to hopefully get more insight on this ruling. Time to read, might be able to finally get one. And I just emailed my Sheriff last night about signing off on a Form 1. Guess some reading is in my near future. 
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Posted: 1/5/2016 10:56:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Petes1552]
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
And I just emailed my Sheriff last night about signing off on a Form 1. Guess some reading is in my near future. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By 383laguna:
Originally Posted By pandainlove:
The new ATF ruling effective in 6 months seems to remove the requirement of CLEO sign off. https://www.atf.gov/file/100896/download Came here to hopefully get more insight on this ruling. Time to read, might be able to finally get one. And I just emailed my Sheriff last night about signing off on a Form 1. Guess some reading is in my near future. From the document pg 4: The goal of this final rule is to ensure that the identification and background check requirements apply equally to individuals, trusts, and legal entities. To lessen potential compliance burdens for the public and law enforcement, DOJ has revised the final rule to eliminate the requirement for a certification signed by a chief law enforcement officer (CLEO) and instead require CLEO notification. To me that means on July 2nd we no longer need to get CLEO signoffs! Stinks for people in other states using trusts who now have to supply pictures and finger prints. I am curious what this will do to efiling. I made it to about page 30 and then skipped to the end, it's kind of interesting to see the process how they went from wanting CLEO signatures for everything to what they ended on and the comments but I don't have time to read 248 pages right now. The bottom of page 240 is the true change to the forms: (c) Notification of chief law enforcement officer. Prior to the submission of the application to the Director, all applicants and responsible persons shall forward a completed copy of Form 1 or a completed copy of Form 5320.23, respectively, to the chief law enforcement officer of the locality in which the applicant or responsible person is located. The chief law enforcement officer is the local chief of police, county sheriff, head of the State police, or State or local district attorney or prosecutor. If the applicant is not a licensed manufacturer, importer, or dealer qualified under this part and is a partnership, company, association, or corporation, for purposes of this section, it is considered located at its principal office or principal place of business; if a trust, for purposes of this section, it is considered located at the primary location at which the firearm will be maintained. Seems that they also changed the definition of a person, which could effect if we can have a C&R with a trust? We will have to wait and see, but from my interpretation (I'm not a lawyer) it seems like the CLEO signoff is toast and in 180 days from yesterday that CLEO notification is all that is required. Maybe a year from now everyone will have one 
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IL, USA
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Posted: 1/5/2016 11:55:07 AM EDT
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I'm subscribing to see how this affect Illinois.
Only reason I'm interested in SBR is weight reduction. Only reason I'm not interested in SBR is how freaking loud it is. At 45 y/o it's speeding up the process where I lose my hearing naturally. Yes I use HW Impact headphones and IE Surefire. So, crossing finger for everyone who needs a SBR and a Suppressor. My knowledge with Suppressor is for hunting purposes only and still not applicable for Tactical Carbine Classes. Is this statement still correct. Thanks and Stay Safe everyone. |
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USA
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Posted: 1/5/2016 12:57:42 PM EDT
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not for me though. Where I am living is still banning SBR.
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Posted: 1/5/2016 2:35:42 PM EDT
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Dropped my C&R in the mail today!
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Posted: 1/5/2016 3:21:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AWDeity:
Dropped my C&R in the mail today! I need to get on that. |
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USA
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Posted: 1/5/2016 9:24:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Logistics]
[#40]
Well well well......I guess this; https://www.atf.gov/file/61516/download, changes *everything* perhaps in a good way...(at least for me)
I live in Winnebago County, about 3-4 months ago I politely called the Sheriff and his no. 2 got back in touch with me. A nice enough enough guy, I explained what I was trying to do. I told him I currently held a valid C&R license, had the fingerprint cards done and further had all NFA paperwork completed. He asked that I forward along any and all pertinent information about my SBR project and he would get back with me. About 3 weeks later I received a letter saying that he had "spoken with the ATF" and was 'unable to sign off'. However irritating, I don't really blame the guy, but as laws, do and will change and as Illinois (prior to 2013) was a non NFA state, he just did not feel the need to sign off as he's not obligated to do so. It will be interesting to see what he has to say... A very good start to 2016 so far... |
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Posted: 1/5/2016 9:44:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Logistics:
Well well well......I guess this; https://www.atf.gov/file/61516/download, changes *everything* perhaps in a good way...(at least for me) I live in Winnebago County, about 3-4 months ago I politely called the Sheriff and his no. 2 got back in touch with me. A nice enough enough guy, I explained what I was trying to do. I told him I currently held a valid C&R license, had the fingerprint cards done and further had all NFA paperwork completed. He asked that I forward along any and all pertinent information about my SBR project and he would get back with me. About 3 weeks later I received a letter saying that he had "spoken with the ATF" and was 'unable to sign off'. However irritating, I don't really blame the guy, but as laws, do and will change and as Illinois (prior to 2013) was a non NFA state, he just did not feel the need to sign off as he's not obligated to do so. It will be interesting to see what he has to say... A very good start to 2016 so far... did this change? i remember it being ..... If you live in a City, the Chief of Police. The Sheriff of the County. A Circuit Judge, a State's Attorney, head of your State Police agency. Any one of those or anyone in their department who is authorized to sign for them. could sign the form 1 or 4.... soon it wont matter. which will be nice!!! |
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Posted: 1/5/2016 10:15:46 PM EDT
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Am I understanding the nest correctly - that we will be able to submit Form 1's without the need for a CLEO signature OR a trust? In other words - fill out the forms, get your prints and pic taken, send $$, and wait for stamp?
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Posted: 1/5/2016 10:27:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gotfish:
Am I understanding the nest correctly - that we will be able to submit Form 1's without the need for a CLEO signature OR a trust? In other words - fill out the forms, get your prints and pic taken, send $$, and wait for stamp? Correct. We couldn't use trusts anyway, but this does eliminate the need for CLEO signature. They do need to be notified though. |
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Posted: 1/5/2016 10:31:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevieJ309:
Correct. We couldn't use trusts anyway, but this does eliminate the need for CLEO signature. They do need to be notified though. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevieJ309:
Originally Posted By gotfish:
Am I understanding the nest correctly - that we will be able to submit Form 1's without the need for a CLEO signature OR a trust? In other words - fill out the forms, get your prints and pic taken, send $$, and wait for stamp? Correct. We couldn't use trusts anyway, but this does eliminate the need for CLEO signature. They do need to be notified though. Thanks! I already went through the process once (successfully, 10" AR), but that was with a sheriff no longer in office. Have been thinking about doing it again with the CZ Evo. |
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Posted: 1/5/2016 10:37:32 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Petes1552:
From the document pg 4: To me that means on July 2nd we no longer need to get CLEO signoffs! Stinks for people in other states using trusts who now have to supply pictures and finger prints. I am curious what this will do to efiling. I made it to about page 30 and then skipped to the end, it's kind of interesting to see the process how they went from wanting CLEO signatures for everything to what they ended on and the comments but I don't have time to read 248 pages right now. The bottom of page 240 is the true change to the forms: Seems that they also changed the definition of a person, which could effect if we can have a C&R with a trust? We will have to wait and see, but from my interpretation (I'm not a lawyer) it seems like the CLEO signoff is toast and in 180 days from yesterday that CLEO notification is all that is required. Maybe a year from now everyone will have one
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l60/Petes1552/B4F76C06-89FA-4883-A8D3-219AD0D539E1_zpsru2ptw8b.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Petes1552:
From the document pg 4: The goal of this final rule is to ensure that the identification and background check requirements apply equally to individuals, trusts, and legal entities. To lessen potential compliance burdens for the public and law enforcement, DOJ has revised the final rule to eliminate the requirement for a certification signed by a chief law enforcement officer (CLEO) and instead require CLEO notification. To me that means on July 2nd we no longer need to get CLEO signoffs! Stinks for people in other states using trusts who now have to supply pictures and finger prints. I am curious what this will do to efiling. I made it to about page 30 and then skipped to the end, it's kind of interesting to see the process how they went from wanting CLEO signatures for everything to what they ended on and the comments but I don't have time to read 248 pages right now. The bottom of page 240 is the true change to the forms: (c) Notification of chief law enforcement officer. Prior to the submission of the application to the Director, all applicants and responsible persons shall forward a completed copy of Form 1 or a completed copy of Form 5320.23, respectively, to the chief law enforcement officer of the locality in which the applicant or responsible person is located. The chief law enforcement officer is the local chief of police, county sheriff, head of the State police, or State or local district attorney or prosecutor. If the applicant is not a licensed manufacturer, importer, or dealer qualified under this part and is a partnership, company, association, or corporation, for purposes of this section, it is considered located at its principal office or principal place of business; if a trust, for purposes of this section, it is considered located at the primary location at which the firearm will be maintained. Seems that they also changed the definition of a person, which could effect if we can have a C&R with a trust? We will have to wait and see, but from my interpretation (I'm not a lawyer) it seems like the CLEO signoff is toast and in 180 days from yesterday that CLEO notification is all that is required. Maybe a year from now everyone will have one
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l60/Petes1552/B4F76C06-89FA-4883-A8D3-219AD0D539E1_zpsru2ptw8b.jpg No, I know it won't require it anymore. I was just saying that I had emailed him about it (I totally did not know about the 41p stuff til the morning after I had emailed him, it was just weird timing). He wrote me back this morning saying he would sign off, so it doesn't really matter if I get it done with or without his signature. |
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Posted: 1/5/2016 10:41:21 PM EDT
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Well well well......I guess this; https://www.atf.gov/file/61516/download, changes *everything* perhaps in a good way...(at least for me) I live in Winnebago County, about 3-4 months ago I politely called the Sheriff and his no. 2 got back in touch with me. A nice enough enough guy, I explained what I was trying to do. I told him I currently held a valid C&R license, had the fingerprint cards done and further had all NFA paperwork completed. He asked that I forward along any and all pertinent information about my SBR project and he would get back with me. About 3 weeks later I received a letter saying that he had "spoken with the ATF" and was 'unable to sign off'. However irritating, I don't really blame the guy, but as laws, do and will change and as Illinois (prior to 2013) was a non NFA state, he just did not feel the need to sign off as he's not obligated to do so. It will be interesting to see what he has to say... A very good start to 2016 so far... Howdy neighbor (Boone county resident here) 
I lived in Winnebago a little over a year ago. When I first started the SBR stuff, my CLEO would sign off but I lived on the wrong side of the street from her jurisdiction and had to go through the Sheriff. I emailed MANY times but they would never respond. 
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Posted: 1/6/2016 12:00:45 AM EDT
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Been reading back trying to remember exactly what steps and engravings I need to do. You just have to have your name and city and state correct?
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Posted: 1/6/2016 12:54:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Been reading back trying to remember exactly what steps and engravings I need to do. You just have to have your name and city and state correct? C&R ffl Name and city,state engraved 2 form 1s (front and back), 2 Fingerprint cards, 2 photos and 200bucks after july 2nd |
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Posted: 1/6/2016 2:11:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AWDeity: Dropped my C&R in the mail today! Me too! Now the question remains which ones do I want to cut down. How many Form 1 submissions is to many? |
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Posted: 1/6/2016 9:02:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 383laguna:
C&R ffl Name and city,state engraved 2 form 1s (front and back), 2 Fingerprint cards, 2 photos and 200bucks after july 2nd Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 383laguna:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Been reading back trying to remember exactly what steps and engravings I need to do. You just have to have your name and city and state correct? C&R ffl Name and city,state engraved 2 form 1s (front and back), 2 Fingerprint cards, 2 photos and 200bucks after july 2nd Knew all the other stuff and I've already got my C&R, just couldn't remember what I needed to engrave. |
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