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IL, USA
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Posted: 1/10/2013 6:28:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: battlehawk1025]
FIRST NOTE THIS INFORMATIVE ONLY!!! I am not responsible for anything thing!
This is a quick "how to". Not the most detailed posting in the world. SBR= Short Barreled Rifle I have had many request for me to do a small quick tutorial on how to get a SBR in IL. To obtain an SBR on a form 1 on a trust. First you need a FOID. A C&R FFL from the ATF, this takes about 5 min to fill out and about 30 days to obtain one. FAQ about C&R FFL here Next fill out your Form 1. I'm not going to explain this part because there are a ton info on blogs/ post on how to do this much better than what I could produce. Google is your friend on this one. Now the CLEO sign off. I live in Crook county and there was no way in hell I was going to get a sign off. To be honest I live in Wilmette, I rather not draw attention to myself with trying to get a CLEO sign off So I went with a trust. Many people ask me where i get my trust from. My brother has a place in WI. He and I have a trust set up in WI for a few years. We have more NFA toys than "normal" firearms. I basically copied it and a Lawyer friend of mine modified it to my individual needs. Please do not PM me asking for a copy of my trust as you will not get it. If you search a little you will find plenty of info on NFA type trusts. Also please dont ask if i have any lawyer recommendations because I do not. I did this on an AR-15. MO |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 1/10/2013 6:29:42 PM EDT
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Post questions here and I will try my best to get to them . PM me for my phone number
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IL, USA
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Posted: 1/10/2013 6:49:12 PM EDT
[#2]
looking for a Firearm N F A trust lawyer in Lake or Mchenry co any ideas ???
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Posted: 1/10/2013 6:59:08 PM EDT
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In for trust info.
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IL, USA
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Posted: 1/10/2013 8:44:12 PM EDT
[#4]
Couldnt find it in the FAQ..how much does it cost to get a c&r ffl?
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Posted: 1/10/2013 8:58:21 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Johnny2x:
Couldnt find it in the FAQ..how much does it cost to get a c&r ffl? $30 and the license is good for three years. Then you renew by paying another $30 for another three years, etc. |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 1/11/2013 1:20:25 AM EDT
[#6]
Thanks for the info, now to set up a trust since I have the C&R
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IL, USA
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Posted: 1/11/2013 10:24:09 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By billybob16:
looking for a Firearm N F A trust lawyer in Lake or Mchenry co any ideas ??? Your guess is as good as mine |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 1/11/2013 1:55:34 PM EDT
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Why do you need to set up a trust?
Originally Posted By skyhighsd:
Thanks for the info, now to set up a trust since I have the C&R |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 1/11/2013 2:30:37 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ypd260:
Why do you need to set up a trust? Originally Posted By skyhighsd:
Thanks for the info, now to set up a trust since I have the C&R To get around getting a CLEO sign off. |
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Posted: 1/11/2013 3:25:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: D233]
[#10]
Cliffs notes for the cliffs notes.
Get a FOID. Get a C&R FFL Get a trust. Fill out a form 1. Does everybody now have a complete understanding of how to do this? |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 1/11/2013 4:15:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By D233:
Cliffs notes for the cliffs notes. Get a FOID. Get a C&R FFL Get a trust. Fill out a form 1. Does everybody now have a complete understanding of how to do this? Same goes for a Form 4 |
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Posted: 1/15/2013 10:33:40 AM EDT
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http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-5310-16.pdf
http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-5330-20.pdf here are the forms for the c and r license |
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Posted: 1/18/2013 6:08:56 AM EDT
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You can only play with the NFA toys in WI though, correct?
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Posted: 1/21/2013 3:48:18 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dwjett:
You can only play with the NFA toys in WI though, correct? If you mean full auto and supressors, yes you can't have those in Illinois. But you can have SBR's now in Illinois and use them here. |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 1/21/2013 9:38:08 PM EDT
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Please keep usupdated on progress. I'd not like to be the Guinea pig!!!
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IL, USA
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Posted: 1/21/2013 11:03:06 PM EDT
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I recived my stamp a week ago.....
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IL, USA
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Posted: 1/22/2013 10:08:26 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By D233:
Cliffs notes for the cliffs notes. Get a FOID. Get a C&R FFL Get a trust. Fill out a form 1. Does everybody now have a complete understanding of how to do this? I'm trying to get mine mailed off soon. I've read mixed reviews on weather or not I need to fill out a "certificate of compliance" when sending in my form 1. I already have my c&r, form 1, FOID and copy of the statute. |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 1/22/2013 10:57:14 PM EDT
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Is the CLEO for a curio FFL or the SBR itself? Curious as to what the paperwork says.
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IL, USA
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Posted: 1/22/2013 11:16:24 PM EDT
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Anyone worrying about the requirement of being in a reenactment group?
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IL, USA
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Posted: 1/23/2013 12:19:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By MrRob944:
Anyone worrying about the requirement of being in a reenactment group? read it more carefully. Its says OR.... |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 1/23/2013 2:57:09 PM EDT
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Gotcha. I read the 18 page thread and I think I've got it figured out. Time to send off for c&r.
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IL, USA
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Posted: 1/26/2013 4:31:04 AM EDT
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I live in Will county, but work in Cook County, and oddly enough I can get a Chief LEO to sign in Cook. How do I fill out my paper work accordingly. Im looking to have my C&R out of Cook County
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IL, USA
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Posted: 1/26/2013 11:15:01 AM EDT
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Depends on your town. I'm surrounded by idiots so I went the trust route. Plus I can have other people have access to my Nfa toys
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Posted: 1/29/2013 4:41:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: jntmjt1]
[#24]
I sent in two Form 1s last week... (CLEO sign off). I hope to report back late this Summer or early this Fall with an update and good news! One is for a SBR AR15 and the other is for a SBR Uzi.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 5:35:09 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By kjspd126: I live in Will county, but work in Cook County, and oddly enough I can get a Chief LEO to sign in Cook. How do I fill out my paper work accordingly. Im looking to have my C&R out of Cook County is that verified that he will sign on Form 1? I am in Cook and was going to get a trust set up as soon as C&R comes |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 1/31/2013 9:08:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: armored223]
[#26]
Anyone found a lawyer in IL for the NFA trust yet?
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IL, USA
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Posted: 2/1/2013 8:48:05 AM EDT
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I need some clarification. Does a C&R FFL give the feds the right to enter my home at any time (as a FFL does)? Also, as a C&R holder, what would be the status of my SBR if I am away and my wife (FOID holder) is home alone? I ask this because I was instructed that my guns (or maybe my wife) are/is illeagal if I am away and she does not have a FOID.
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IL, USA
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Posted: 2/1/2013 8:00:24 PM EDT
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No a CR does not grant ATF access to your home as they wish. You do however have to keep a log like an FFL for the CR eligible firearms you buy or sell for your collection.
The way I understand it is you should set up a NFA revocable trust as described in the OP and put your wife and kids on it and you are covered. But I also understand it as long as its in the safe and not accessible when you are not around it is fine so long as she has a FOID which IL law says she must have if the guns are in the home and you are not. |
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Posted: 2/2/2013 3:36:09 PM EDT
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My 5320.20 was (finally) approved on Jan 29, so those of us with SBR's out of state can move them into IL.
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IL, USA
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Posted: 2/2/2013 6:23:10 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Krazny13:
My 5320.20 was (finally) approved on Jan 29, so those of us with SBR's out of state can move them into IL. Yea mine were approved the same days! Something must have clicked at the ATF |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 2/3/2013 2:45:55 PM EDT
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Did you guys do a NFA trust? If so who did you use to do it?
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Posted: 2/3/2013 9:57:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Krazny13]
[#32]
Nope. My toys are all individual route. Then again, I was able to get the sheriff signoff when I was in IN.
Ahh, feels good to have my 11.5 inch shorty in my hands again. After 3 years in exile, its nice to have my favorite 5.56 pulling HD Duty again. 
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IL, USA
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Posted: 2/3/2013 10:40:44 PM EDT
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Yea I brought 13 of my sbr home today!! Will bring the rest next week. When the rest of my forms come back :)
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Posted: 2/4/2013 3:41:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Dawg180]
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Originally Posted By armored223:
Anyone found a lawyer in IL for the NFA trust yet? No, at least not one who is knowledgeable on firearms. My attorney is a great guy, but had zero knowledge on NFA and firearms. He had no problem setting up a trust for me, but did not see how it made a difference. |
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Posted: 2/4/2013 3:47:01 PM EDT
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Has anyone done this in Central IL yet? Can we get a CLEO sign off in Peoria County?
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IL, USA
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Posted: 2/4/2013 4:09:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: danish]
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I am heading to the Stephenson county sheriff's office this week to get him to sign the C&R FFL and discuss the SBR with him. I don't think it will be an issue to get him to sign off on the Form 1 since I know he is very pro-gun..
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IL, USA
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Posted: 2/4/2013 7:02:19 PM EDT
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So no one did theirs on a trust? Do all members of the trust have to have a CR license? Like my wife for example.
Did you submit a copy of your CR on the Form1? or anything other than what it asks for? Torf...not sure buy im next door in Mclean and pretty sure he will sign but I want to put them in a trust for the benefits of it. |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 2/4/2013 7:03:07 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Dawg180:
Originally Posted By armored223:
Anyone found a lawyer in IL for the NFA trust yet? No, at least not one who is knowledgeable on firearms. My attorney is a great guy, but had zero knowledge on NFA and firearms. He had no problem setting up a trust for me, but did not see how it made a difference. So he said that he saw no difference in an nfa trust from a regular trust? That what I'm seeing in looking over samples too. |
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Posted: 2/5/2013 12:49:09 PM EDT
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you only have to send him the c&r form for the sheriff or the chief of police.
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IL, USA
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Posted: 2/5/2013 2:23:25 PM EDT
[#40]
No I mean does the CR license number or a copy of it need to be on the Form 1 or does the ATF not care whether you have a CR?
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IL, USA
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Posted: 2/5/2013 2:53:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By armored223:
No I mean does the CR license number or a copy of it need to be on the Form 1 or does the ATF not care whether you have a CR? Make sure you you up ur C&R number on the Form 1/ 4. Mine got kicked back because it didnt have it on there. |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 2/5/2013 3:41:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: armored223]
[#42]
battlehawk...who did your trust? Getting no where calling around and reading so many negatives to the do it yourself trusts like this
http://www.doityourselfdocuments.com/Estateplanning/Trust/nfaTrust.aspx |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 2/5/2013 3:48:56 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By armored223:
battlehawk...who did your trust? Getting no where calling around and reading so many negatives to the do it yourself trusts like this http://www.doityourselfdocuments.com/Estateplanning/Trust/nfaTrust.aspx Mine is done from my brother's lawyer in Wisconsin . I had a lawyer friend modify it to meet IL law and to my needs. He usually doesn't do trusts. |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 2/5/2013 7:41:28 PM EDT
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ok....I may get the one from the site I referenced above and see if a local lawyer will look it over for me.
Thank! |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 2/13/2013 2:04:33 PM EDT
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I'm working on filling out my C&R today - For the CLEO, do I do the Chief of my town, county, or do we have to do State in Illinois because of the FOID and all that? |
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Posted: 2/17/2013 10:17:57 PM EDT
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My Mother lives in IN, I have no clue what a trust is. I was going to have her buy it and leave it to me. but if I can get a C&R and get a sbr I will go that route.
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Posted: 2/20/2013 7:05:03 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Tango_6:
My Mother lives in IN, I have no clue what a trust is. I was going to have her buy it and leave it to me. but if I can get a C&R and get a sbr I will go that route. I don't think that will work and is of questionable legality. |
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Posted: 2/20/2013 11:33:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Tango_6:
My Mother lives in IN, I have no clue what a trust is. I was going to have her buy it and leave it to me. but if I can get a C&R and get a sbr I will go that route. You better know the laws before you go doing stuff like you are proposing, otherwise you are going to end up a felon and not have rights to any firearms at all. You are basically proposing a Straw Purchase, and a purchase across state lines. The feds do not look kindly upon either of those, and you are going to be in for a mighty shock if you try to put in SBR paperwork for that gun... |
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Posted: 2/22/2013 10:35:49 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Tango_6:
My Mother lives in IN, I have no clue what a trust is. I was going to have her buy it and leave it to me. but if I can get a C&R and get a sbr I will go that route. very bad idea. like really bad. do not do this, it will have very bad consequences, especially if you are going to send in paperwork to the feds for a sbr. Do you like prison? |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 2/22/2013 9:08:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: armored223]
[#50]
doubletap my bad...see next post
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