Truth in advertising:  I'm feeling lazy so am asking here instead of looking this up myself.

I've had a Nevada CCW for over 20 years.  From day one I've been taught the "No Firearms Allowed" signs on businesses, especially casinos, didn't carry the weight of law.  If you were caught carrying on property and refused to leave when asked yes, you could get arrested for trespassing.  But simply carrying on property that has those signs isn't illegal in and of itself.  Is this still true? Was it ever true?

My wife went through her CCW course yesterday.  I sat in to give her moral support.  Instructor stated that if a business is posted "No Firearms Allowed" then you could be arrested simply for carrying in that business.  I asked for clarification.  I made it perfectly clear what I was asking and asked him at what point was I breaking the law if I carried on a marked property.  He stated the instant I walked through the door I was breaking the law.  I followed up by emphasizing I was asking about a civilian business on private property, not any sort of government business.  He stuck to his statement that it didn't matter, civilian or government, it was illegal to carry if the property has those signs.  

Can someone please educate me?  Thanks

You are correct the instructor is incorrect.

The only no firearms signs that have any weight of law are those posted on publicly owned property. For example town hall, police stations and one that caught me off guard the boulder city municipal golf course club house.

If you have a follow up class for the shooting portion have him show you the statute and you can show him where it says "public building" and the definition of that term

NRS 202.3673  Permittee authorized to carry concealed firearm while on premises of public building; exceptions; penalty.
     1.  Except as otherwise provided in subsections 2 and 3, a permittee may carry a concealed firearm while the permittee is on the premises of any public building.
     2.  A permittee shall not carry a concealed firearm while the permittee is on the premises of a public building that is located on the property of a public airport.
     3.  A permittee shall not carry a concealed firearm while the permittee is on the premises of:
     (a) A public building that is located on the property of a public school or a child care facility or the property of the Nevada System of Higher Education, unless the permittee has obtained written permission to carry a concealed firearm while he or she is on the premises of the public building pursuant to subparagraph (3) of paragraph (a) of subsection 3 of NRS 202.265.
     (b) A public building that has a metal detector at each public entrance or a sign posted at each public entrance indicating that no firearms are allowed in the building, unless the permittee is not prohibited from carrying a concealed firearm while he or she is on the premises of the public building pursuant to subsection 4.
     4.  The provisions of paragraph (b) of subsection 3 do not prohibit:
     (a) A permittee who is a judge from carrying a concealed firearm in the courthouse or courtroom in which the judge presides or from authorizing a permittee to carry a concealed firearm while in the courtroom of the judge and while traveling to and from the courtroom of the judge.
     (b) A permittee who is a prosecuting attorney of an agency or political subdivision of the United States or of this State from carrying a concealed firearm while he or she is on the premises of a public building.
     (c) A permittee who is employed in the public building from carrying a concealed firearm while he or she is on the premises of the public building.
     (d) A permittee from carrying a concealed firearm while he or she is on the premises of the public building if the permittee has received written permission from the person in control of the public building to carry a concealed firearm while the permittee is on the premises of the public building.
     5.  A person who violates subsection 2 or 3 is guilty of a misdemeanor.
     6.  As used in this section:
     (a) “Child care facility” has the meaning ascribed to it in paragraph (a) of subsection 5 of NRS 202.265.
     (b) “Public building” means any building or office space occupied by:
            (1) Any component of the Nevada System of Higher Education and used for any purpose related to the System; or
            (2) The Federal Government, the State of Nevada or any county, city, school district or other political subdivision of the State of Nevada and used for any public purpose.
Ê If only part of the building is occupied by an entity described in this subsection, the term means only that portion of the building which is so occupied.
     (Added to NRS by 1995, 2725; A 1997, 63; 1999, 2767; 2007, 1914)

Double tap

Thanks for the info.  Now for a follow up question:  

NRS 202.3673 Permittee authorized to carry concealed firearm while on premises of public building; exceptions; penalty.
1. Except as otherwise provided in subsections 2 and 3, a permittee may carry a concealed firearm while the permittee is on the premises of any public building.
2. A permittee shall not carry a concealed firearm while the permittee is on the premises of a public building that is located on the property of a public airport.
3. A permittee shall not carry a concealed firearm while the permittee is on the premises of:
(a) A public building that is located on the property of a public school or a child care facility or the property of the Nevada System of Higher Education, unless the permittee has obtained written permission to carry a concealed firearm while he or she is on the premises of the public building pursuant to subparagraph (3) of paragraph (a) of subsection 3 of NRS 202.265.

Is Subsection 3 talking about a full blown child care facility or any building that contains a child care facility?

paragraph a of subsection 5 of nrs 202.265 states

(a) “Child care facility” means any child care facility that is licensed pursuant to chapter 432A of NRS or licensed by a city or county.


beyond that i can't imagine if there is a child care facility in a mall or office building that this pertains to the entire building but just the portion of it used as a child care facility but i have no idea and am not leo or a lawyer so ymmv


432a

this part of it states the content of the license to include the location of the facility.
NRS 432A.150  License: Contents.  Each license issued by the Division must contain:
     1.  The name of the person or persons authorized to operate the licensed facility;
     2.  The location of the licensed facility or, if the license is for an outdoor youth program, the area of operation of the program; and
     3.  The number of beds authorized in the licensed facility, the nature of services offered and the service delivery capacity.

so it would depend on how that facilities license states their location.
if it just says 1234 main street then all of 1234 main street would be a no go.
if it says that portion of 1234 main street on the first floor in room 321a then it would only be that

The statute reads that you cannot carry in a PUBLIC BUILDING located on the premises of a child care facility.  Public building is further defined to mean essentially any state or federal building or NSHE building.




Child care facilities are fine for carry.  It is the "public buildings" you have to look out for.


ETA: there's also this at the end of the statute:  "If only part of the building is occupied by an entity described in this subsection, the term means only that portion of the building which is so occupied."



 

Somebody's going to have to dumb this down for me because I'm even more confused now.

He was only reading the statute i posted which talks about public buildings and is the only one that has any mention of no firearms signs

the one that covers the child care facility is this one

NRS 202.265  Possession of dangerous weapon on property or in vehicle of school or child care facility; penalty; exceptions.
     1.  Except as otherwise provided in this section, a person shall not carry or possess while on the property of the Nevada System of Higher Education, a private or public school or child care facility, or while in a vehicle of a private or public school or child care facility:
     (a) An explosive or incendiary device;
     (b) A dirk, dagger or switchblade knife;
     (c) A nunchaku or trefoil;
     (d) A blackjack or billy club or metal knuckles;
     (e) A pistol, revolver or other firearm; or
     (f) Any device used to mark any part of a person with paint or any other substance.
     2.  Any person who violates subsection 1 is guilty of a gross misdemeanor.
     3.  This section does not prohibit the possession of a weapon listed in subsection 1 on the property of:
     (a) A private or public school or child care facility by a:
            (1) Peace officer;
            (2) School security guard; or
            (3) Person having written permission from the president of a branch or facility of the Nevada System of Higher Education or the principal of the school or the person designated by a child care facility to give permission to carry or possess the weapon.
     (b) A child care facility which is located at or in the home of a natural person by the person who owns or operates the facility so long as the person resides in the home and the person complies with any laws governing the possession of such a weapon.
     4.  The provisions of this section apply to a child care facility located at or in the home of a natural person only during the normal hours of business of the facility.
     5.  For the purposes of this section:
     (a) “Child care facility” means any child care facility that is licensed pursuant to chapter 432A of NRS or licensed by a city or county.
     (b) “Firearm” includes any device from which a metallic projectile, including any ball bearing or pellet, may be expelled by means of spring, gas, air or other force.
     (c) “Nunchaku” has the meaning ascribed to it in NRS 202.350.
     (d) “Switchblade knife” has the meaning ascribed to it in NRS 202.350.
     (e) “Trefoil” has the meaning ascribed to it in NRS 202.350.
     (f) “Vehicle” has the meaning ascribed to “school bus” in NRS 484A.230.
     (Added to NRS by 1989, 656; A 1993, 364; 1995, 1151; 2001, 806; 2007, 1913)



I highly doubt this statute would apply to for instance sunset station and it's parking lot since it has a kids quest in it but rather only the secured kids quest area.

Who taught the class?

Pm if you don't want to air it.

I have another question.

If you are pulled over for a traffic offense and the officer ask if you are carrying do you have to admit to it.  I always thought it was not required to say one way or another.

What about Hospitals with the no gun signs?

Wow.

Not wanting to sound like a Douche, but I can't believe how many CCW permit holders have to ask questions about their rights and responsibilities on the Internet after going through approved courses.

Normally I'd agree, but I'm finding out more and more that not all approved courses are created equal.  

You cant see how not talking to the police at all and failing to inform them you are armed could be a very bad day for you?  

It is rare that they will ask at all unless they are going to take you in to custody in which case they will find it and they will not be so happy you werent up front and honest. If you are respectful and curtious to an officer and dont have priors you are going to get a warning 9 times out of 10. Pull the am i being detained bullshit and make their job harder and you are going to get a ticket for what would have been a warning and a ticket for whatever else they think they can give you one for.

Feel free to do what you want. You do have rights. I would choose to exercise the right to remain silent if i was in fact guilty of some crime or unsure of some complex legal issue with what i was doing. Carrying a concealed firearm with a permit is not one of those instances and you might be surprised how many cops will pretty much give you a pass for having the permit showing you passed a bg check and are generally a law abiding citizen

Was going to say op was getting thus bad info directly from an instructor its no wonder some folks are getting it wrong

Who was this idiot instructor so I know never to go to that class?

Is it bad that I ignore most of the signs?
A few days ago I walked into Meadow Wood mall (Reno). Because of this thread, I actually looked for a sign on the doors as I went through. Nothing. But about 300ft in, down the hall, there was a little 8x10 sign that said "mall rules". About halfway down it said no weapons.
Too late, I kept right on goin.....shhhhh
Costco, movie theaters, certain restaurants.....what sign?

I never go in or near Fed buildings or schools, so not a problem on the big "NoGo" places.

Obo,

You're one of the most knowledgeable students I've had.

Whenever you answer a CCW question here before I have a chance to you are always spot on (saves me the keystrokes, lol!).

Not patting myself on the back, but good students become good graduates because of good teachers.

That's the way I've been trained and I am able to pass that knowledge and ethic along to my students.

Some of the stories I hear about other instructors and what they tell their students makes me SMFH.

-Joe

Time for a new instructor.  Make sure to demand for a refund.

Yg

Joe, you see like a great guy and very knowledgeable.   I just renewed my CCW last year, but please provide on contact info for my future renewal!